Gordo14 said:

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I don't understand why people think that ICU count is going way up but death rate won't follow. It's not a narrative. We went through this same thing in March and deaths didn't really take off until April. I agree that there isn't as many cases as there were back when we didn't have testing infrastructure in March. However, that doesn't change the fact the trend is unsustainable on our medical infrastructure.

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One front-line doctor on here stated they now have treatments and they are saving many more patients.

corleoneAg99 said:

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Here's a chart showing cases hospitalizations deaths by age and more specifically, deaths much much less prevalent in the age groupings where cases are growing.

The VERY next post?

I don't know why you guys think deaths won't follow hospitalizations????? The end is nigh and so on!!!!!

I mean....it's just so ****ing weird why people want the data to portend a worse outcome and when it doesn't they just ignore it?

Crazy.

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Come on man, not a single poster on here wants deaths to increase, but it is common sense that increased hospitalizations will eventually lead to an increase in deaths with regards to COVID. San Antonio has already nearly doubled the number of COVID patients on ventilators in just 4 days from 60 to 117.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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corleoneAg99 said:

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Here's a chart showing cases hospitalizations deaths by age and more specifically, deaths much much less prevalent in the age groupings where cases are growing.

The VERY next post?

I don't know why you guys think deaths won't follow hospitalizations????? The end is nigh and so on!!!!!

I mean....it's just so ****ing weird why people want the data to portend a worse outcome and when it doesn't they just ignore it?

Crazy.

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Come on man, not a single poster on here wants deaths to increase, but it is common sense that increased hospitalizations will eventually lead to an increase in deaths with regards to COVID. San Antonio has already nearly doubled the number of COVID patients on ventilators in just 4 days from 60 to 117.

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Didn't say people want deaths to increase...I said people want the data to portend a worse outcome than what the data is showing...why? Probably because it contradicts their preconceived notions?

Your guess is as good as mine.

corleoneAg99 said:

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Here's a chart showing cases hospitalizations deaths by age and more specifically, deaths much much less prevalent in the age groupings where cases are growing.

The VERY next post?

I don't know why you guys think deaths won't follow hospitalizations????? The end is nigh and so on!!!!!

I mean....it's just so ****ing weird why people want the data to portend a worse outcome and when it doesn't they just ignore it?

Crazy.

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Nobody wants more deaths or the data to show something different than what it does. You're getting upset at people who simply understand the variables in play here better than you do.

Or he is skeptical of the science community and tired of the fear mongering.

barnyard1996 said:

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Or he is skeptical of the science community and tired of the fear mongering.

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You think "big science" is behind statistical and reporting lag?

Infection_Ag11 said:

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corleoneAg99 said:

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Here's a chart showing cases hospitalizations deaths by age and more specifically, deaths much much less prevalent in the age groupings where cases are growing.

The VERY next post?

I don't know why you guys think deaths won't follow hospitalizations????? The end is nigh and so on!!!!!

I mean....it's just so ****ing weird why people want the data to portend a worse outcome and when it doesn't they just ignore it?

Crazy.

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Nobody wants more deaths or the data to show something different than what it does. You're getting upset at people who simply understand the variables in play here better than you do.

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So for you Gordo 14 understands the stats better than Avik Roy?

No offense doc, but that's insane, and really hurts your credibility in being objective.

And once again, I never said people want more deaths. I said people are resistant to data simply because it refutes their preconceived notions despite the fact they want you to think their take is purely data driven.

It's kind of like one of the docs on this thread who had some pretty strong takes about lack of treatments and they were directly opposite from another doc on this forum who is literally treating people in his hospital with the treatments in question and having good effect. It was mind boggling watching the first doctor play word salad to continue to perpetuate his worldview.

Some docs not being objective is a massive issue....I hope they can do better.

I know there's a running joke about "2 weeks", but I really feel like this one is the final attempt. Either deaths in mid-July move parallel to today's hospitalizations spike or they don't. If they do, then we really need to re-evaluate/rethink school re-openings, events, etc. If not, then it's damn the torpedos, full steam ahead. And then we move Covid to "page 2", and get back to a revised normal. People are exhausted with this.

corleoneAg99 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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corleoneAg99 said:

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Here's a chart showing cases hospitalizations deaths by age and more specifically, deaths much much less prevalent in the age groupings where cases are growing.

The VERY next post?

I don't know why you guys think deaths won't follow hospitalizations????? The end is nigh and so on!!!!!

I mean....it's just so ****ing weird why people want the data to portend a worse outcome and when it doesn't they just ignore it?

Crazy.

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Nobody wants more deaths or the data to show something different than what it does. You're getting upset at people who simply understand the variables in play here better than you do.

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So for you Gordo 14 understands the stats better than Avik Roy?

No offense doc, but that's insane, and really hurts your credibility in being objective.

And once again, I never said people want more deaths. I said people are resistant to data simply because it refutes their preconceived notions despite the fact they want you to think their take is purely data driven.

It's kind of like one of the docs on this thread who had some pretty strong takes about lack of treatments and they were directly opposite from another doc on this forum who is literally treating people in his hospital with the treatments in question and having good effect. It was mind boggling watching the first doctor play word salad to continue to perpetuate his worldview.

Some docs not being objective is a massive issue....I hope they can do better.

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If this is in reply to me contradicting what Marcus stated in another thread, you are significantly misunderstanding what was being stated.

My take is entirely based on the evidence. I am not blinded by political allegiances as many posters on here seem to be. My opinions are based on the evidence or lack there of. I care for COVID patients in the hospital, as well. It is quite possible that other therapies being used work, but we don't know and anecdotes really mean nothing. Just look at the hydroxychloroquine situation. Numerous posters were upset with me for stating that we should probably wait for the evidence before mass utilization on mild cases and using it for prophylaxis. Turns out it doesn't work despite the numerous physicians claiming efficacy. To this date, there is only two therapies that have been determined by high quality evidence to demonstrate clinical improvement and only one that has demonstrated mortality benefit. Those are the facts, there is no specific worldview that changes that. There are others that make sense physiologically; however, medicine is rife with treatments that make sense but don't work.

This is why I strongly disagree with any physician that is telling people that if a physician is not using convalescent plasma, treatment dose lovenox, actemra, etc. for moderate-severe cases, they need to find a new hospital. That is a dangerous statement to make on a widely read message board and might lead to people doing things like trying to remove unstable family members out of the hospital to take them elsewhere, or at the minimum leading to patients and family members demanding treatments which have the possibility of actually increasing morbidity or mortality. We certainly use all of those treatments at our hospital, but it is left up to physician discretion and patients are informed that these treatments are experimental. Those treatments might work, they also might not, we have no clue, but we should not fault anyone for waiting to see what the evidence shows.

With respect, the ad hominem here is unnecessary.

The Good News About COVID-19 the Corporate Media Keeps Hidden

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stacey-lennox/2020/06/27/the-good-news-about-covid-19-the-corporate-media-keeps-hidden-n583317

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A doctor from the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center said in a press conference Wednesday that people who are testing positive do not appear to be getting as sick as they did earlier in the pandemic. Dr. Donald Yealy also noted this trend was being seen in the wake of massive protests.



He suggested the country is focusing too much on rising COVID-19 case counts.

"We need to change our mindset and focus not exclusively on the number of cases, but on the severity of illness. We shouldn't just be counting those who have a diagnosed infection," Yealy said. "For the vast majority of people testing positive, their illness is mild, or they don't even know they have any symptoms of COVID-19 infection."



Dr. Yealy also noted that the positive case rate was about one in 400, which has remained steady for weeks. He also noted improved treatment protocols and some success with Remdisivir and other medications. Effective treatment is in addition to some success protecting the elderly and a much younger patient load testing positive.

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