clicking on that link and going to F16 will probably give you corona.

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clicking on that link and going to F16 will probably give you corona.

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It may not give you the corona, but it will definitely kill brain cells

I think you can catch it while wearing a mask.

To me it's slows the transmission down, and more importantly I think it gives you a lower viral load.

I think it could be the difference between a severe case or a mild one.

There was a poster here that said he caught it and was very good about wearing masks and staying home/social distancing.

Since 700+ healthcare workers have died, I think there is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence that you can catch it wearing a mask.

But I dont believe anyone (of any credibility) has ever said that masks (any mask) 100% prevent transmission the virus. It is about making a material reduction in risk through a low cost means.

These arguments remind me of the arguments against condom use. They dont work 100% of the time, so why bother using them or encouraging them?

People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand. Obviously there has not been enough done to educate people. Either that or willful ignorance. Use the surgery example. Surgeons don't wear them to protect themselves. They wear them to protect the patient.

Like mentioned above, I believe It can make some difference in your own protection. But that's not the main point.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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This is getting tiresome to a lot of us and should only be allowed to go so far. The clock is ticking on this mask thing. It can't become a new normal. Neither can closing businesses or limiting mass gatherings and events. While it sounds great to say this, in the end with absolutely questionable methods of accounting for cases and deaths from the virus and the simple fact that we at some point just have to move on with our own lives, it's on the scientists, pharmaceutical companies and doctors to find the right treatments, a vaccine or something to mitigate the effects of the virus or we are going to just have to concede this is with us, people will sadly and unfortunately die but the majority of us will be fine and go on. The protecting others line will only go so far.

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chigger said:

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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This is getting tiresome to a lot of us and should only be allowed to go so far. The clock is ticking on this mask thing. It can't become a new normal. Neither can closing businesses or limiting mass gatherings and events. While it sounds great to say this, in the end with absolutely questionable methods of accounting for cases and deaths from the virus and the simple fact that we at some point just have to move on with our own lives, it's on the scientists, pharmaceutical companies and doctors to find the right treatments, a vaccine or something to mitigate the effects of the virus or we are going to just have to concede this is with us, people will sadly and unfortunately die but the majority of us will be fine and go on. The protecting others line will only go so far.

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If you don't want businesses to close, we need to limit the spread. Why are you not willing to help limit the spread?

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Capitol Ag said:

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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This is getting tiresome to a lot of us and should only be allowed to go so far. The clock is ticking on this mask thing. It can't become a new normal. Neither can closing businesses or limiting mass gatherings and events. While it sounds great to say this, in the end with absolutely questionable methods of accounting for cases and deaths from the virus and the simple fact that we at some point just have to move on with our own lives, it's on the scientists, pharmaceutical companies and doctors to find the right treatments, a vaccine or something to mitigate the effects of the virus or we are going to just have to concede this is with us, people will sadly and unfortunately die but the majority of us will be fine and go on. The protecting others line will only go so far.

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If you don't want businesses to close, we need to limit the spread. Why are you not willing to help limit the spread?

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You are not addressing my point. Businesses can stay completely open now. We do not need to limit the spread technically. Sure, for a humane perspective, it might make people feel comfortable to limit the spread. From a hospital perspective, it may keep the hospitals from overcrowding and allow for other obvious issues from arising if hospitals have trouble treating non covid along with covid patients. But that doesn't mean we HAVE to limit anything.

At some point in this, IF there is not an effective treatment available, we cannot live indefinitely in masks, limiting mass events and closing businesses. Its not reasonable or realistic. Unfortunately, a lot of us realize that you just cannot save everyone or eliminate every virus. Since the overwhelming majority of us will be fine, it this does end up being the case and a way to mitigate the virus cannot be found within a reasonable amount to time, we will have to make the call to move forward. That time is coming faster than you think.

And I am totally willing to "limit the spread". I even wear these cute little dumbass masks. But how one defines "limit the spread" and how far each of us is willing to go for something where 99.997% survive, and most of which have no lasting effects nor even know they have it, it's just not reasonable to act like this is some end of the world killer virus. It simply is not.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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Dont tell us, tell the people wearing a mask while alone walking their dog alone. Tell the people wearing masks on the beach. Tell the people wearing a mask while driving their car.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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This is getting tiresome to a lot of us and should only be allowed to go so far. The clock is ticking on this mask thing. It can't become a new normal. Neither can closing businesses or limiting mass gatherings and events. While it sounds great to say this, in the end with absolutely questionable methods of accounting for cases and deaths from the virus and the simple fact that we at some point just have to move on with our own lives, it's on the scientists, pharmaceutical companies and doctors to find the right treatments, a vaccine or something to mitigate the effects of the virus or we are going to just have to concede this is with us, people will sadly and unfortunately die but the majority of us will be fine and go on. The protecting others line will only go so far.

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If you don't want businesses to close, we need to limit the spread. Why are you not willing to help limit the spread?

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Or be like Sweden, don't close anything and move past it.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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Dont tell us, tell the people wearing a mask while alone walking their dog alone. Tell the people wearing masks on the beach. Tell the people wearing a mask while driving their car.

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Sure. When I see them I'll tell them thanks for doing their part to limit the spread, for protecting others, and for showing some simple courtesy that seems really hard to come by these days.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand. Obviously there has not been enough done to educate people. Either that or willful ignorance. Use the surgery example. Surgeons don't wear them to protect themselves. They wear them to protect the patient.

Like mentioned above, I believe It can make some difference in your own protection. But that's not the main point.

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This. Studies have been done, cloth masks don't do a whole lot to protect you. The filtration isn't good enough. If you are immunocompromised, you should be wearing an N95 mask and taking other precautions, IMO. However, a sick person wearing a cloth mask will do a hell of a lot to keep the virus from spreading to others.

I'm not an expert. This is just my opinion after reading articles, studies, and listening to podcasts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-study-says-mask-mandates-should-be-considered-after-examining-missouri-hair-salon.html

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The authors of the study investigated the case of two infected hair stylists in Springfield, Missouri, who appear to have not transmitted the virus to any of their 139 clients even as they continued to work while infectious.

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The two infected hair stylists wore a mask. 98% of their customers wore a mask. None of their customers got infected.

[x] Masks
[x] Business Open
[x] Success

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-study-says-mask-mandates-should-be-considered-after-examining-missouri-hair-salon.html

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The authors of the study investigated the case of two infected hair stylists in Springfield, Missouri, who appear to have not transmitted the virus to any of their 139 clients even as they continued to work while infectious.

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The two infected hair stylists wore a mask. 98% of their customers wore a mask. None of their customers got infected.

[x] Masks
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Notice that the 2% that were non-mask wearers didnt get sick either.

SeE MaSk DoNt MaTtEr. /f16

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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This is getting tiresome to a lot of us and should only be allowed to go so far. The clock is ticking on this mask thing. It can't become a new normal. Neither can closing businesses or limiting mass gatherings and events. While it sounds great to say this, in the end with absolutely questionable methods of accounting for cases and deaths from the virus and the simple fact that we at some point just have to move on with our own lives, it's on the scientists, pharmaceutical companies and doctors to find the right treatments, a vaccine or something to mitigate the effects of the virus or we are going to just have to concede this is with us, people will sadly and unfortunately die but the majority of us will be fine and go on. The protecting others line will only go so far.

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If you don't want businesses to close, we need to limit the spread. Why are you not willing to help limit the spread?

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It's funny how this simple concept seems to allude certain people. It's like they think that there is some sort of barrier if the virus starts to spread to being able to unlock a businesses door and open it up to the public. Like a force field or something. Yet it is totally possible!

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No one thinks that.

We have a governor who has shown that he will step in when numbers are rising. Why not do what you can to not give him the opportunity to shut things down? No one is asking you to wear a mask forever. Is it really that big of a deal to wear one for now?

We're also not Sweden, so it's silly to just say we should do what they did. They have 10 million people with low density, have universal healthcare, and are healthier and more socially conscious. New Zealand beat it by being hyper-aggressive, but what they did wouldn't work here either. None of it is one size fits all.

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Sweden's economy slowed by as much or more than their neighbors but they had 10x the number of per capita deaths. They didn't gain anything by remaining open. They lost a lot

Everyone in Asia, where mask wearing is ubiquitous, cases are few/low, and life is returning to normal, is reading this thread and shaking their heads.

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People still don't get it do they. It's not so much about protecting yourself. It's protecting others. It's a courtesy thing. No one said you wouldn't get it if you wear a mask. It's about preventing the spread.

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Dont tell us, tell the people wearing a mask while alone walking their dog alone. Tell the people wearing masks on the beach. Tell the people wearing a mask while driving their car.

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Sure. When I see them I'll tell them thanks for doing their part to limit the spread, for protecting others, and for showing some simple courtesy that seems really hard to come by these days.

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Yet masks helped no one in those circumstances that were mentioned! Were the birds protected on the guy's walk when he was alone wearing a mask? Were the invisible people in the car protected by the woman wearing her mask alone while driving? What about the guy alone on the beach? Thank God the whales and crabs and sea gulls won't get Covid!

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You're right, the mask serves no purpose there. I only wear when I'm going into the store. But why are you so triggered by the sight of someone in a mask? It doesn't affect you

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To me it's slows the transmission down, and more importantly I think it gives you a lower viral load.

I think it could be the difference between a severe case or a mild one.

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This is very true and needs to be communicated better. The viral load matters just as the amount of poison you ingest matters and could be the difference between becoming sick or dying. A mask won't necessarily prevent you from catching it but it will lower your exposure and that could be enough to spare you

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Dont tell us, tell the people wearing a mask while alone walking their dog alone. Tell the people wearing masks on the beach. Tell the people wearing a mask while driving their car.

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If you're in an area where the virus is airborne, it will collect on the outer surface of the mask as you breathe in. So masks don't protect you well if you're touching them often to put them on and off. That's why people leave them on and they are smart to do so.

I don't understand why that would bother you.

eric76 caught it while wearing N95 mask. Check his posts