To me, she sounds like a contrarian whose conclusions don't pass the smell test, but I'd love to have other physicians' comments. Thanks in advance.
Physicians opinions on Dr Kelly Victory's claims
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I read that as Dr. Kelly's victory claim and expected a revolutionary cure.
Reading the correct location of apostrophe makes a difference.
Reading the correct location of apostrophe makes a difference.
Cliff Notes? Not interested in spending 18 minutes listening to a highly Botoxed physician with a bizarrely suggestive painting in the background.
I got as far as her schrodinger's cat argument against masks.
Mask cause you to rebreath viruses and pollen and that is bad. But masks block viruses and bacteria thereby weakening you immune system, also bad.
Mask cause you to rebreath viruses and pollen and that is bad. But masks block viruses and bacteria thereby weakening you immune system, also bad.
Duncan Idaho said:
I got as far as her schrodinger's cat argument against masks.
Mask cause you to rebreath viruses and pollen and that is bad. But masks block viruses and bacteria thereby weakening you immune system, also bad.
So, a mask will make you rebreathe pollen? Ergo it will block pollen (which is extrinsic to your body) from leaving your body, but not from entering your body??? And it is important to exhale viruses that you already have in your body? Mmmmkaaay. Thanks for saving me any more viewing.
I am also confused why millions and millions of dollars have been spent on ppe and developing technologies and processes to reuse ppe if the virus dies in minutes at 70 degrees.
So either she means 70c and is intentionally misleading people by implying that "it will go away with the heat and humidity " or she is an idiot that doesnt realize that 70c is 158f (which is the temp that is recommended for decontamination of n95s) but has zero bearing on a normal humans day to day life.
So either she means 70c and is intentionally misleading people by implying that "it will go away with the heat and humidity " or she is an idiot that doesnt realize that 70c is 158f (which is the temp that is recommended for decontamination of n95s) but has zero bearing on a normal humans day to day life.
Duncan Idaho said:
I am also confused why millions and millions of dollars have been spent on ppe and developing technologies and processes to reuse ppe if the virus dies in minutes at 70 degrees.
So either she means 70c and is intentionally misleading people by implying that "it will go away with the heat and humidity " or she is an idiot that doesnt realize that 70c is 158f (which is the temp that is recommended for decontamination of n95s) but has zero bearing on a normal humans day to day life.
Agreed. I think her Botox went a little too deep.
I just dont get what goes through these people's minds. There is a real chance someone will die because she made this.
Absolute bull***** These "expert" doctors posting this crap on SM isn't helping. Like the 2 docs in CA. Reminds me of personal injury atty advertising. Disgrace to the medical community. The CDC, NEJM and WHO don't recommend masks? Really. Complete falsehood. Spewing crap to get attention and more business. Pathetic "doctor."
Even scarier thought is her working the ER when one comes in with a life threatening issue.Duncan Idaho said:
I just dont get what goes through these people's minds. There is a real chance someone will die because she made this.
Prior to November 2019, they did not.
That was hard to get through. I counted 6 objectively verifiable lies.
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aggiematt07 said:
Prior to November 2019, they did not.
Okay. This is a current video. To say otherwise based on Nov 19 is a falsehood. NEJM never gives "recommendations" like a health organization. Just state of the art publications.
ursusguy said:
https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/victory-charges-dropped-as-part-of-plea-deal/
That explains it.
No, but they have published many articles related to the ineffectiveness of masks long before it became a political football.
https://www.jwatch.org/na49865/2019/09/24/n95-mask-flunks-big-clinical-trial
An article like that today would have been thrown out, except that this article was consistent with most all other studies prior to Covid 19.
Search pub Med for any masks article prior to Nov 2019 and they will say the same. Science did not magically improve in the last 8 months that we can definitively say "masks work" end of story. Yet everybody seems to be.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
CDC, WHO had this stance long before Covid and changed because people cried foul. Same with the AAP backtracking on schools opening. We have gone from trust the science, to use the science to push our message and if you don't like the science then just appeal to the emotions, the opposite of "using" science
https://www.jwatch.org/na49865/2019/09/24/n95-mask-flunks-big-clinical-trial
An article like that today would have been thrown out, except that this article was consistent with most all other studies prior to Covid 19.
Search pub Med for any masks article prior to Nov 2019 and they will say the same. Science did not magically improve in the last 8 months that we can definitively say "masks work" end of story. Yet everybody seems to be.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
CDC, WHO had this stance long before Covid and changed because people cried foul. Same with the AAP backtracking on schools opening. We have gone from trust the science, to use the science to push our message and if you don't like the science then just appeal to the emotions, the opposite of "using" science
Yet, you seemed to have gained more medical knowledge in the last few weeks than all the doctors on here.aggiematt07 said:
No, but they have published many articles related to the ineffectiveness of masks long before it became a political football.
https://www.jwatch.org/na49865/2019/09/24/n95-mask-flunks-big-clinical-trial
An article like that today would have been thrown out, except that this article was consistent with most all other studies prior to Covid 19.
Search pub Med for any masks article prior to Nov 2019 and they will say the same. Science did not magically improve in the last 8 months that we can definitively say "masks work" end of story. Yet everybody seems to be.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
CDC, WHO had this stance long before Covid and changed because people cried foul. Same with the AAP backtracking on schools opening. We have gone from trust the science, to use the science to push our message and if you don't like the science then just appeal to the emotions, the opposite of "using" science
Docs, the internet is loaded with info from places like NIH, WHO, CDC that allow a lay person to gain more insight than you might have. Y'all should consider looking into these sources.
Thanks for the insight. I work in the medical field, do significant research and understand how to digest it too. But sure attack me as a "lay person" rather than recognize the flaw in people's response to the magical mask.
Source: WSJ
LINK
"Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if "we could get everybody to wear a mask right now."
Statements like this are just a ridiculous. Without a vaccine, this virus is here to stay. Want to do something that is meaningful. Look at the science. Lose weight, exercise, eat right, don't smoke and stop drinking. Short of that, we are all just waiting for the inevitable. It's the science we have and can act on but all we want to talk about is the healthy 30 something that dies. That's the outlier not the norm.
LINK
"Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if "we could get everybody to wear a mask right now."
Statements like this are just a ridiculous. Without a vaccine, this virus is here to stay. Want to do something that is meaningful. Look at the science. Lose weight, exercise, eat right, don't smoke and stop drinking. Short of that, we are all just waiting for the inevitable. It's the science we have and can act on but all we want to talk about is the healthy 30 something that dies. That's the outlier not the norm.
It is like people try to be obtuse.
"Under control" does not mean "no active cases."
"Under control" does not mean "no active cases."
Well educated and well-intentioned people can debate the effectiveness of masks in the spread of COVID-19. In my opinion, the worst aspect of public mask wearing is that it causes people to touch their faces more often. And don't get me started on people wearing gloves. However, for her to say in July that the WHO, CDC, and NEJM (which merely publishes papers, not recommends policy) do not recommend mask usage just isn't being intellectually honest.
By the way, true story, the doctor in the OP Got arrested for brandishing a gun at a friend of hers, right after the two of them had dropped Ann Coulter at her condo.
https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/victory-charges-dropped-as-part-of-plea-deal/
As for her video, it has a few valid points, but overall it's dangerous garbage. Many of the same things that pretty much every national medical group refuted after the two Geniuses In California tried much the same approach.
https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/victory-charges-dropped-as-part-of-plea-deal/
As for her video, it has a few valid points, but overall it's dangerous garbage. Many of the same things that pretty much every national medical group refuted after the two Geniuses In California tried much the same approach.
Totally agree, very obtuse of m. Just look at California and their mandate. Virus under control, June 18 mandate and 4 weeks later
Those statements always hinge on what "under control" means. That's a sliding scale.aggiematt07 said:
Source: WSJ
LINK
"Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if "we could get everybody to wear a mask right now."
Statements like this are just a ridiculous. Without a vaccine, this virus is here to stay. Want to do something that is meaningful. Look at the science. Lose weight, exercise, eat right, don't smoke and stop drinking. Short of that, we are all just waiting for the inevitable. It's the science we have and can act on but all we want to talk about is the healthy 30 something that dies. That's the outlier not the norm.
Improper use of masks by the public (reusing, touching face, poor for, random materials) was a big reason for the original stance of not recommending masks
Gave a false sense of security
Gave a false sense of security
Old RV Ag said:Yet, you seemed to have gained more medical knowledge in the last few weeks than all the doctors on here.aggiematt07 said:
No, but they have published many articles related to the ineffectiveness of masks long before it became a political football.
https://www.jwatch.org/na49865/2019/09/24/n95-mask-flunks-big-clinical-trial
An article like that today would have been thrown out, except that this article was consistent with most all other studies prior to Covid 19.
Search pub Med for any masks article prior to Nov 2019 and they will say the same. Science did not magically improve in the last 8 months that we can definitively say "masks work" end of story. Yet everybody seems to be.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
CDC, WHO had this stance long before Covid and changed because people cried foul. Same with the AAP backtracking on schools opening. We have gone from trust the science, to use the science to push our message and if you don't like the science then just appeal to the emotions, the opposite of "using" science
Docs, the internet is loaded with info from places like NIH, WHO, CDC that allow a lay person to gain more insight than you might have. Y'all should consider looking into these sources.
I'm not even sure why I bothered attending medical school TBH.
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aggiematt07 said:
Improper use of masks by the public (reusing, touching face, poor for, random materials) was a big reason for the original stance of not recommending masks
Gave a false sense of security
I agree. As does wearing gloves. But her statements made in early July are, in my opinion, intellectually dishonest. And when you put the letters "M.D" behind your name and go on about your (probably highly exaggerated) credentials and expertise on the matter you are addressing, you do a grave disservice to those viewing your "expert" advice. Again, just my opinion.
Unreal. Questioning the knowledge / database of docs posting on this forum. Like InfectionAg, I am an "expert" on this virus. Do I claim/want to be no? Hell no. The circumstances have mandated it. I have read more than I want to. To the point of obsession. Belittling an obvious learned ID doc about COVID blows my mind. And explains we are in the **** show of status re the virus in this country now.Old RV Ag said:Yet, you seemed to have gained more medical knowledge in the last few weeks than all the doctors on here.aggiematt07 said:
No, but they have published many articles related to the ineffectiveness of masks long before it became a political football.
https://www.jwatch.org/na49865/2019/09/24/n95-mask-flunks-big-clinical-trial
An article like that today would have been thrown out, except that this article was consistent with most all other studies prior to Covid 19.
Search pub Med for any masks article prior to Nov 2019 and they will say the same. Science did not magically improve in the last 8 months that we can definitively say "masks work" end of story. Yet everybody seems to be.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
CDC, WHO had this stance long before Covid and changed because people cried foul. Same with the AAP backtracking on schools opening. We have gone from trust the science, to use the science to push our message and if you don't like the science then just appeal to the emotions, the opposite of "using" science
Docs, the internet is loaded with info from places like NIH, WHO, CDC that allow a lay person to gain more insight than you might have. Y'all should consider looking into these sources.
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Sums up how this board (and society in general) has been trending....... Experienced doctors bad, "Science" I heard from Twitter and Facebook.... good.
I haven't heard too many Docs who have been battling this thing turn around and blow it off.
I just want off this ride now.
I haven't heard too many Docs who have been battling this thing turn around and blow it off.
I just want off this ride now.
Duncan Idaho said:
I just dont get what goes through these people's minds. There is a real chance someone will die because she made this.
Figured someone on the Politics board would run with this woman's take as proof that masks are useless, and yep.
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Good grief that forum never disappoints.
But, she MUST be smart, she hangs out with Ann Coulter!
But, she MUST be smart, she hangs out with Ann Coulter!
"Want to do something that is meaningful. Look at the science. Lose weight, exercise, eat right, don't smoke and stop drinking. Short of that, we are all just waiting for the inevitable. It's the science we have and can act on but all we want to talk about is the healthy 30 something that dies. That's the outlier not the norm."
Good post.
Good post.
That opag is a special one even among that crowd
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"Your point and the vast amount of info coming out of the CDC, WHO and NIH is owned by Bill and Melinda Gates. "
I am just at a loss that we have graduates of Texas A&M that believe this
I am just at a loss that we have graduates of Texas A&M that believe this
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I am just at a loss that we have graduates of Texas A&M that believe this
How about this one. And no this post was not made ironically . Apparently, Germ Theory is on the same intellectual plane as homeopathy and alchemy
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