Tarrant county health department forcing online school until Sept 28th

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10:59a, 7/21/20
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What a joke.

My kids are in EMSISD in Tarrant county and as of yesterday afternoon, the leaders of both fort worth isd and our district were moving forward with regular start to school on August 17th. Giving the choice of online or in person to parents.

The communication is a joke in all this. Apparently it caught the school district admins by complete surprise today.
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In reply to FDXAg • 11:12a, 7/21/20
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FDXAg said:
What a joke.

My kids are in EMSISD in Tarrant county and as of yesterday afternoon, the leaders of both fort worth isd and our district were moving forward with regular start to school on August 17th. Giving the choice of online or in person to parents.

The communication is a joke in all this. Apparently it caught the school district admins by complete surprise today.

Yep. I'm on the PTO board at our school, and school admins were completely blindsided this morning. Now they're scrambling to get some sort of communication out to parents because everyone is blowing them up with questions.

I'm pretty livid myself, but we will figure something out with a private tutor. My concern is for the families who can't afford that and can't afford for a parent to stay home for two more months. What are they supposed to do?
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In reply to aglaohfour • 11:26a, 7/21/20
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FDXAg said:
What a joke.

My kids are in EMSISD in Tarrant county and as of yesterday afternoon, the leaders of both fort worth isd and our district were moving forward with regular start to school on August 17th. Giving the choice of online or in person to parents.

The communication is a joke in all this. Apparently it caught the school district admins by complete surprise today.

Yep. I'm on the PTO board at our school, and school admins were completely blindsided this morning. Now they're scrambling to get some sort of communication out to parents because everyone is blowing them up with questions.

I'm pretty livid myself, but we will figure something out with a private tutor. My concern is for the families who can't afford that and can't afford for a parent to stay home for two more months. What are they supposed to do?
Those kids will be in our breakroom while their parents work. Poor kids, just like in the spring, will be stuck in a damn break room staring at a laptop. No social interaction, no time to be a kid. **** everyone who's supporting this shutdown. No consideration for the kids.
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In reply to Yesterday • 11:28a, 7/21/20
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Yesterday said:
Agoodlittleag04 said:
FDXAg said:
What a joke.

My kids are in EMSISD in Tarrant county and as of yesterday afternoon, the leaders of both fort worth isd and our district were moving forward with regular start to school on August 17th. Giving the choice of online or in person to parents.

The communication is a joke in all this. Apparently it caught the school district admins by complete surprise today.

Yep. I'm on the PTO board at our school, and school admins were completely blindsided this morning. Now they're scrambling to get some sort of communication out to parents because everyone is blowing them up with questions.

I'm pretty livid myself, but we will figure something out with a private tutor. My concern is for the families who can't afford that and can't afford for a parent to stay home for two more months. What are they supposed to do?
Those kids will be in our breakroom while their parents work. Poor kids, just like in the spring, will be stuck in a damn break room staring at a laptop. No social interaction, no time to be a kid. **** everyone who's supporting this shutdown. No consideration for the kids.
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11:50a, 7/21/20
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My grandson is supposed to be in 1st grade in EMSISD. I realy wanted him to have face to face. He lost the last part of kinder to online. It is just not effective with littles, and now the start of first grade...way longer than the Dallas order. I don't know what my son and his wife are going to do.

My grandaughter is in Grand Prairie and their online only is just till after Labor Day. Big difference.


Online is not a shutdown, but it is not an effective way for especially sped kids and elementary kids to learn. High school juniors and seniors can handle it just fine.
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In reply to 3rd Generation Ag • 11:59a, 7/21/20
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Don't kid yourself. It's a poor excuse at learning for high schoolers too. Especially for inner city kids.


We are failing them.
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12:10p, 7/21/20
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Sorry to hear this. Dominoes are starting to fall. It will be interesting to see if any school district moved forwards with their plans.
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12:27p, 7/21/20
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They are walking it back one step at a time. Expect a few more "safety" announcements this August. There will be not in person school and no school sports until after the election.
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12:35p, 7/21/20
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This is absolute insanity at this point. I can't believe the county health officials can dictate over the individual school districts. The EMSISD superintendent has been very outspoken in his email communications to us over the past few months that in-person learning is CRITICAL to the success of the students and we must find a way to make it happen.

He must be livid today....
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12:35p, 7/21/20
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Irrational fear continues to drive decision-making.
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12:36p, 7/21/20
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As a taxpayer in Fort Worth, I want to know the names of these decision makers.
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In reply to Highway6 • 12:44p, 7/21/20
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Highway6 said:
As a taxpayer in Fort Worth, I want to know the names of these decision makers.
It's Gregg ****ing Abbott! The coward who has no back bone allowed the county health director to shut down schools for the entire county. Teachers associations started putting pressure on him and he folded like a cheap suit.
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In reply to Yesterday • 12:59p, 7/21/20
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Highway6 said:
As a taxpayer in Fort Worth, I want to know the names of these decision makers.
It's Gregg ****ing Abbott! The coward who has no back bone allowed the county health director to shut down schools for the entire county. Teachers associations started putting pressure on him and he folded like a cheap suit.
This is correct. There are a lot of people in power who are risk averse. If even one person dies and it ties back to the school in any way then they will get crushed in the media. These local decision makers are aware of this. I get where they are coming from even though I disagree with the decision. Ultimately though, it is Abbott himself who is failing to be a leader here. School shutdowns are an anti-science position, Abbott needs to do the right thing and open them up now. Nothing magical will happen on September 29th.
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1:42p, 7/21/20
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Reading the Tarrant county order it allows for some exemptions:


-SPED students to go to in person classes
-students with limited internet connectivity can attend in person instruction
-students who's IEP cannot be facilitated online can attend in person classes
-teachers to teach virtually from their individual classrooms

https://www.tarrantcounty.com/content/dam/main/covid-cares/JOINT-CONTROL-ORDER.PDF
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1:46p, 7/21/20
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No way Jenkins lets Tarrant County out-concern him, right? Dallas has to match?
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In reply to Keegan99 • 2:04p, 7/21/20
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Probably. I wonder though if Clay Jenkins makes the call or the Dallas County Health Dept makes the call. Having the health dept step in acts as a bit of a force field.
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In reply to nai06 • 2:08p, 7/21/20
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Huang and Jenkins have been in lockstep since March.

I believe it was Huang that stood by Jenkins when he breathlessly claimed that nearly 600,000 Texans would die without a lockdown.

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/03/22/dallas-county-judge-model-predicts-5000-texas-covid-19-deaths-with-shelter-in-place-model-nearly-600k-without/

(Would love to find a better link than Brietbart, but no other outlets seem to have their stories on this presser easy to search. Seriously... A Google search of "Jenkins Huang 600000 deaths" gives nothing. Bizarre.)
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In reply to Keegan99 • 2:54p, 7/21/20
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Keegan99 said:
No way Jenkins lets Tarrant County out-concern him, right? Dallas has to match?
that made me laugh...thanks
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3:29p, 7/21/20
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I can tell you this is about to happen across many districts. Parents were given the option to choose virtual or F2F. However, the districts (many) haven't yet informed them the first few weeks/months will be virtual only.

The weird part...parents have to choose which format up front. Why not let the parents, if being forced into virtual for several weeks, use that as a trial period to evaluate whether they want to continue with virtual through Christmas, or go F2F.
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3:43p, 7/21/20
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Question for the parents of HS seniors that are not quite in the top 10% of their class:

If your kid is going to have virtual school anyways, and all extracurriculars are canceled, what it stopping you from renting a cheap, ****hole apartment in an underperforming school and transferring your kid there? Easy way to get your kid into the Top 10%. Establish residency within school lines but (as far as I know) there's no requirement you have to work or attend virtual class from within the school boundaries. edit to add; The biggest drawback to doing this previously was your kid actually had to attend classes in a poor school but now, they don't have to.

A couple thousand dollars and a little effort to guarantee your kids admission into college and maybe a scholarship or two.

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In reply to DTP02 • 3:56p, 7/21/20
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DTP02 said:
Irrational fear continues to drive decision-making.
There's just something about a hidden disease that seems to activate the lizard brain or something. I have never been more convinced that humans will be extinct within 10,000 years or less.
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In reply to tysker • 3:58p, 7/21/20
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tysker said:
Question for the parents of HS seniors that are not quite in the top 10% of their class:

If your kid is going to have virtual school anyways, and all extracurriculars are canceled, what it stopping you from renting a cheap, ****hole apartment in an underperforming school and transferring your kid there? Easy way to get your kid into the Top 10%. Establish residency within school lines but (as far as I know) there's no requirement you have to work or attend virtual class from within the school boundaries. edit to add; The biggest drawback to doing this previously was your kid actually had to attend classes in a poor school but now, they don't have to.

A couple thousand dollars and a little effort to guarantee your kids admission into college and maybe a scholarship or two.

you probably don't even have to do that. If your ISD has intradistrict open enrollment, just transfer your kid.
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In reply to Kyle Field Shade Chaser • 5:45p, 7/21/20
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Motracicletraficificker said:
I can tell you this is about to happen across many districts. Parents were given the option to choose virtual or F2F. However, the districts (many) haven't yet informed them the first few weeks/months will be virtual only.

The weird part...parents have to choose which format up front. Why not let the parents, if being forced into virtual for several weeks, use that as a trial period to evaluate whether they want to continue with virtual through Christmas, or go F2F.
Because schools need to start finalizing their master schedules and they can't do that until they know how many students to expect in person. As a teacher, a lot of us were upset when my district told parents that they would have until a few weeks before the start of school to decide because that doesn't give our campus much time to prepare at all. Some teachers at my school still don't know what they are teaching or if they do know they are not sure how many classes will be virtual vs. in-person. We are talking about adding additional lunch periods at my school to reduce the number of students in close contact, but again we can't assess how effective that would be until we know how many students to expect.
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In reply to tysker • 5:52p, 7/21/20
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tysker said:
Question for the parents of HS seniors that are not quite in the top 10% of their class:

If your kid is going to have virtual school anyways, and all extracurriculars are canceled, what it stopping you from renting a cheap, ****hole apartment in an underperforming school and transferring your kid there? Easy way to get your kid into the Top 10%. Establish residency within school lines but (as far as I know) there's no requirement you have to work or attend virtual class from within the school boundaries. edit to add; The biggest drawback to doing this previously was your kid actually had to attend classes in a poor school but now, they don't have to.

A couple thousand dollars and a little effort to guarantee your kids admission into college and maybe a scholarship or two.

Top 10% gets scholarships? Heck I was 2nd in a class of 400 and got squat from A&M back in the 90s.
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In reply to FDXAg • 6:48p, 7/21/20
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FDXAg said:
The communication is a joke in all this. Apparently it caught the school district admins by complete surprise today.
There have been calls discussing this with the districts the past week and it has been in the media the past few days so nobody was caught off guard, still sucks though.
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In reply to Highway6 • 8:30p, 7/21/20
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Highway6 said:
As a taxpayer in Fort Worth, I want to know the names of these decision makers.
I called into Judge Whitley's office late this afternoon. Talked to a sweet women who answered the phone.

Asked her where I could express some comments about this stupid decision to start public schools with online learning through September. She told me that Gov Abbott gave the County Health orgs the sole decision making ability. Tarrant County Public Health supposedly has been working with TEA and affected ISD superintendents over the last week to make this decision - I'm not sure what the voting process looked like, but I plan to talk to my Keller ISD Super Rick Westfall to understand and express my displeasure for this and find out how this went down.

1. The kids WILL NOT be affected by COVID. 18 year old nephew with severe asthma got COVID from his girlfriend and passed it to family members and ~10 of his buddies at his Grad party. The "kids" symptoms - mild cold for <24 hours. And signficant feedback has come in worldwide that kid (especially younger ones typically asymptomatic and aren't passing it).
2. The adult teachers/staff (unless they have known or unknown underlying medical conditions) will not be affected negatively by COVID - by all indications less than the FLU. I know 7 adults (including me) that can vouch for that.
3. By taking this action, we are limiting families with lesser means from adequately teaching and preparing their children for there future. My wife and I work from the house (she's a part time Interior Designer), so it really doesn't affect us personally, but our 2 kids (1 a high school freshman, the other a high school senior) are being penalized at least 6 weeks with online "learning" (there's no learning going on).

I know the experts will say this is a balancing of the public safety with educating our kids.

Well, based on #1 and #2 above, I would downplay the public safety issue.

Normalcy with specific care for the vulnerable is what we need right now. This plan penalizes EVERYONE.

Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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In reply to agforlife97 • 8:31p, 7/21/20
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agforlife97 said:
DTP02 said:
Irrational fear continues to drive decision-making.
There's just something about a hidden disease that seems to activate the lizard brain or something. I have never been more convinced that humans will be extinct within 10,000 years or less.
Your comment is steeped in irrational fear.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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In reply to Keller6Ag91 • 9:27p, 7/21/20
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Keller6Ag91 said:
agforlife97 said:
DTP02 said:
Irrational fear continues to drive decision-making.
There's just something about a hidden disease that seems to activate the lizard brain or something. I have never been more convinced that humans will be extinct within 10,000 years or less.
Your comment is steeped in irrational fear.
10,000 years?! Give me odds on the under?
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In reply to Hincemm • 9:40p, 7/21/20
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Civilization has only been around about 7000 years, so another 10,000 might be a good run
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