New CDC Guidelines Come Down Hard In Favor Of Reopening Schools

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html

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"It is critically important for our public health to open schools this fall," CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said in a statement announcing the updates.

"School closures have disrupted normal ways of life for children and parents, and they have had negative health consequences on our youth. CDC is prepared to work with K-12 schools to safely reopen while protecting the most vulnerable."

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children," the statement reads.

"Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths," it adds.

"Scientific studies suggest that COVID-19 transmission among children in schools may be low. International studies that have assessed how readily COVID-19 spreads in schools also reveal low rates of transmission when community transmission is low."

It notes that there are few reports of children being the driving force of transmission within families. "This is consistent with data from both virus and antibody testing, suggesting that children are not the primary drivers of COVID-19 spread in schools or in the community," the statement reads.
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Good luck getting your school board to understand this.
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So far I've seen a lot more from counties and city councils than school boards making these types of decisions.
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MasterAggie
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Good luck getting your school board to understand this
Ours does. We are reopening as scheduled.

As for the teachers union bs I know very few teachers that are union members so that is just BS.
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MasterAggie said:

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Good luck getting your school board to understand this
Ours does. We are reopening as scheduled.

As for the teachers union bs I know very few teachers that are union members so that is just BS.
It's BS in Texas which doesn't have Teachers Unions. In other states - California, Maryland, and New York, to name a few, this is a major issue.
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Seems like there is an important line in that statement.

Transmission is low in communities were spread is low. Seems like that is something to consider as well.

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AustinAg008 said:

Good luck getting your school board to understand this.
As a school board member, let me thank you for the cheap shot at individuals who volunteer their time to assist children and educators. Yes, we are all morons who cannot read recommendations of CDC, Texas Department of Health, Governor's office, or the Texas Education Administration.

We are just trying to deal with concerns of parents, teachers, administrators and the state.

Every school board member I have spoken with or heard from wants school in the fall. We also want it done safely and in a manner that protects the children and teachers.

My biggest concern is not with children getting the virus, it is with a kindergarten teacher who has 20 kids in her class and is exposed every day. When that teacher gets the virus, or is exposed to the virus, we have to find a sub for 14 days (it is surprising how many people don't want to volunteer for that position right now). We are going to run into a shortage of teachers in the classrooms this fall, no question about it.
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So the wisdom of the board has decided to not start school in person because it may or may not be challenging to find a sub?? Seems reasonable.
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We need to keep schools closed because of the threat of closing schools
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Kind of amazing how stringent and non innovative schools are being when it comes to going back to in person.

Obvious solution, there are millions of unemployed Americans right now. Have a program to let them substitute if it really becomes that big of an issue. Will it be perfect? Absolutely not. Will it take adaptation and maybe they are just babysitting while a teacher does the lesson? Maybe. But it'll be a lot better than 100% virtual.

I'd 100% substitute teach right now.
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My biggest concern is not with children getting the virus, it is with a kindergarten teacher who has 20 kids in her class and is exposed every day. When that teacher gets the virus, or is exposed to the virus, we have to find a sub for 14 days (it is surprising how many people don't want to volunteer for that position right now). We are going to run into a shortage of teachers in the classrooms this fall, no question about it.
What is the expected shortage? By all accounts, teachers are more likely be exposed at home and in the break room than in the classroom. I assume the at home exposure should change little from what it is today. So the primary mitigation precautions should be focused in the lounge and other non-classroom settings.

Historically, there may be a lack of subs on a day-to-day basis but could the marketplace change given that sub will have a guaranteed gig for 2+ weeks and with so many currently underemployeed?
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I need my kid in school. It's her LAST year.
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Cookiemonster64 said:

So the wisdom of the board has decided to not start school in person because it may or may not be challenging to find a sub?? Seems reasonable.
I am not sure where I said that. Our schools are going to be open, we will offer kids in person on they can stay at home and do online.

I am telling you where I see the weakness.
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tysker said:

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By all accounts, teachers are more likely be exposed at home and in the break room than in the classroom.


I don't know that we have enough data to establish that one way or the other. We will know for sure in a few months. But given the TEA guidelines on when teachers who are exposed must isolate, there will be shortages of teachers, whether they have the virus or not.

We are preparing all admins to be ready to go back into classrooms.
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htxag09 said:

Kind of amazing how stringent and non innovative schools are being when it comes to going back to in person.

Obvious solution, there are millions of unemployed Americans right now. Have a program to let them substitute if it really becomes that big of an issue. Will it be perfect? Absolutely not. Will it take adaptation and maybe they are just babysitting while a teacher does the lesson? Maybe. But it'll be a lot better than 100% virtual.

I'd 100% substitute teach right now.
Well sign up to be one. Just check with your local ISD, as I am sure they are looking.


Most districts do not have requirements as far as certifications for substitutes.
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htxag09 said:

Kind of amazing how stringent and non innovative schools are being when it comes to going back to in person.

Obvious solution, there are millions of unemployed Americans right now. Have a program to let them substitute if it really becomes that big of an issue. Will it be perfect? Absolutely not. Will it take adaptation and maybe they are just babysitting while a teacher does the lesson? Maybe. But it'll be a lot better than 100% virtual.

I'd 100% substitute teach right now.
Honest question... do you feel like folks like yourself and the wave of unemployed Americans who are untrained to teach can be any more effective, or even as effective, at educating these kids than online classes?

I know online classes isn't ideal, but how ideal are classes with a lot of "scab" volunteers popping on a video on the big screen and sitting back?

The whole thing is a mess no matter how we look at it.
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Aston94 said:

tysker said:

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By all accounts, teachers are more likely be exposed at home and in the break room than in the classroom.


I don't know that we have enough data to establish that one way or the other. We will know for sure in a few months. But given the TEA guidelines on when teachers who are exposed must isolate, there will be shortages of teachers, whether they have the virus or not.

We are preparing all admins to be ready to go back into classrooms.

I don't envy you right now. Undoubtedly the next few months are going to be a day-to-day back and forth between 'nothing is different' and 'how are we going to get by.'
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Substitute teachers are scabs? Come on man
Charpie
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I was a substitute teacher 1 year into my academic career at A&M. Now a days, you need a degree.

And since this whole thing started, I know of 5 teachers who were in their late 40's/early 50's just retire.
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When something like 70% of the kids in my local ISD are from homes in poverty, I absolutely think in person substitute "scabs" will be more effective than 100% online/virtual learning.

Again, is it perfect? No. Will it take adapting? Yes. Is it worth figuring out? Absolutely.
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My bad. I improperly inferred that from the context of the OP with the backdrop of a majority of schools going online only to start the year. If your district is open to start the year in person, then I wish I was in your district and all boards took the same approach.

It doesn't seem reasonable to me to assume there won't be teachers available so we must start the year online. The argument for school keeps shifting from health of kids, to health of teachers to availability of subs...honestly just feels more like people are looking for reasons to keep them closed versus looking for ways to keep them open. I fall in the latter camp and don't consider online only as "school is open".
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Charpie said:

I was a substitute teacher 1 year into my academic career at A&M. Now a days, you need a degree.

And since this whole thing started, I know of 5 teachers who were in their late 40's/early 50's just retire.

A good friend who's a teacher retired because she has two kids and with both parents working they don't think virtual would work.
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GAC06 said:

Substitute teachers are scabs? Come on man
If you're going to bring in currently unemployed people with absolutely zero training or experience in teaching and stick them in a classroom of kids, what would you call that? That's what I'm referring to, not people that are experienced subs.
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htxag09 said:

When something like 70% of the kids in my local ISD are from homes in poverty, I absolutely think in person substitute "scabs" will be more effective than 100% online/virtual learning.

Again, is it perfect? No. Will it take adapting? Yes. Is it worth figuring out? Absolutely.

Depends on who you're hiring to baby sit the kids for 14 days then. Because a lot of those folks won't be doing a bit of teaching.
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Substitute teachers are scabs? Come on man
If you're going to bring in currently unemployed people with absolutely zero training or experience in teaching and stick them in a classroom of kids, what would you call that? That's what I'm referring to, not people that are experienced subs.


If the person meets the qualifications, I call them a substitute teacher. They aren't breaking a strike so they aren't scabs or "scabs". It's not complicated.
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It's BS in Texas which doesn't have Teachers Unions. In other states - California, Maryland, and New York, to name a few, this is a major issue.
There ARE teachers unions in Texas.
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GAC06 said:

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GAC06 said:

Substitute teachers are scabs? Come on man
If you're going to bring in currently unemployed people with absolutely zero training or experience in teaching and stick them in a classroom of kids, what would you call that? That's what I'm referring to, not people that are experienced subs.



If the person meets the qualifications, I call them a substitute teacher. They aren't breaking a strike so they aren't scabs or "scabs". It's not complicated.
Semantics. My point is I don't feel a lot of the people that would likely get thrown into the class room to baby sit kids wouldn't be doing much real teaching.

Like I said, the whole thing is just a huge mess and we aren't likely to make a lot of people happy either way.

Fortunately, our local small ISD is offering both in school or remote learning as an option to everyone.
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Really? I actually didn't know that. However, they don't have the power of unions in states like NY and Cali where every public teacher is required to join the union in order to work.
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Yeah I get that. It's not a requirement here and I won't be wasting a cent of my money on union dues. I don't plan on doing something stupid enough to get fired or Sd- so union is useless to me. That and I just hate unions period.
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Also, in the case you mentioned of "baby sitting" kids for 14 days, what's to stop the normal teacher in isolation from participating just as much as they would for online learning? Most people exposed and forced to isolate will not become seriously ill.
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it would be hard for it to be more unproductive than online classes for elementary age kids
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MasterAggie said:

Yeah I get that. It's not a requirement here and I won't be wasting a cent of my money on union dues. I don't plan on doing something stupid enough to get fired or Sd- so union is useless to me. That and I just hate unions period.


We have teacher associations in Texas and not unions because we don't have collective bargaining here. I am the campus rep for my school for the association I am a member of.The biggest benefit is the legal representation you can receive from your association.

You just never know it might come in handy. For example, I am in the middle of a pay dispute with my district because I didn't receive the pay I was promised by my supervisor. My teacher association is paying for an attorney to push for me to get my pay and file a grievance if needed. Another teacher in my district had a parent tell her daughter to fall down and claim that a teacher pushed her just so she could sue the school. The association paid for her legal representation and the lawsuit was dismissed as frivolous later on(could have been very expensive for her otherwise) It is a better safe than sorry type of thing and I would recommend all teachers join an association of some kind.
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Association/ union it's all the same. Ours has union in the name.
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What's the name?
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