New CDC Guidelines Come Down Hard In Favor Of Reopening Schools

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MasterAggie said:

Association/ union it's all the same. Ours has union in the name.
Like I said, the key difference is the lack of collective bargaining and being required to join as a teacher. The lack of collective bargaining is a big difference. In any case, like I said there is value in being a member of a teacher association but luckily for you we don't (can't) require teachers to join such an organization in this state.

I personally am a member of ATPE (Association of Texas Professional Educators). Other teacher associations in Texas have ties to national workers/teacher unions but ATPE does not which is something I appreciate.
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htxag09 said:

Kind of amazing how stringent and non innovative schools are being when it comes to going back to in person.

Obvious solution, there are millions of unemployed Americans right now. Have a program to let them substitute if it really becomes that big of an issue. Will it be perfect? Absolutely not. Will it take adaptation and maybe they are just babysitting while a teacher does the lesson? Maybe. But it'll be a lot better than 100% virtual.

I'd 100% substitute teach right now.
I said it on a different thread and I bears repeating here: we could come up with lots of creative solutions if politicians were willing to cough up more money to address it.

The biggest sympathy I have with teachers isn't their health, it's the fact that no matter what their school district chooses to do, their job gets much harder. Any "dual" or hybrid solution would be extremely challenging without adding extra faculty to help.

Personally, I think kids ought to go back, but things should've been planned and budgeted for at the state and maybe even national level to help schools do that. But hindsight is 20-20. Back in May it looked like we had this thing beat and it'd be a moot point in Aug.
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Aston94 said:

AustinAg008 said:

Good luck getting your school board to understand this.
As a school board member, let me thank you for the cheap shot at individuals who volunteer their time to assist children and educators. Yes, we are all morons who cannot read recommendations of CDC, Texas Department of Health, Governor's office, or the Texas Education Administration.

We are just trying to deal with concerns of parents, teachers, administrators and the state.

Every school board member I have spoken with or heard from wants school in the fall. We also want it done safely and in a manner that protects the children and teachers.

My biggest concern is not with children getting the virus, it is with a kindergarten teacher who has 20 kids in her class and is exposed every day. When that teacher gets the virus, or is exposed to the virus, we have to find a sub for 14 days (it is surprising how many people don't want to volunteer for that position right now). We are going to run into a shortage of teachers in the classrooms this fall, no question about it.


Thank you for making your thinking visible.

Question - do teachers have access to N-95 masks and face shields? Even though the risk of elemetary school aged kids transmitting COVID-19 to teachers is relatively low, it is best to make sure that teachers would have the same protection as front line health workers. Additionally, is there measure to install some type of barrier between teacher and kids in the classroom, such as those seen in grocery stores.

As a parents with 2 kids in elementary school level, I am strongly in favor of children returning to school.
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deadbq03 said:

htxag09 said:

Kind of amazing how stringent and non innovative schools are being when it comes to going back to in person.

Obvious solution, there are millions of unemployed Americans right now. Have a program to let them substitute if it really becomes that big of an issue. Will it be perfect? Absolutely not. Will it take adaptation and maybe they are just babysitting while a teacher does the lesson? Maybe. But it'll be a lot better than 100% virtual.

I'd 100% substitute teach right now.
I said it on a different thread and I bears repeating here: we could come up with lots of creative solutions if politicians were willing to cough up more money to address it.

The biggest sympathy I have with teachers isn't their health, it's the fact that no matter what their school district chooses to do, their job gets much harder. Any "dual" or hybrid solution would be extremely challenging without adding extra faculty to help.

Personally, I think kids ought to go back, but things should've been planned and budgeted for at the state and maybe even national level to help schools do that. But hindsight is 20-20. Back in May it looked like we had this thing beat and it'd be a moot point in Aug.

This is a good point. As a teacher my hands are tied based on what the TEA, county, and my district decide to do with little input from us. I am fine teaching in-person or online (I can't speak for the experience for elementary students but my high school students found my online instruction very effective) but asking us to do both is basically doubling the amount of work and planning that we normally have to do. I wish that we had received better guidance and leadership at all levels over the past few months, but it is a moot point now with school starting back in a few weeks.


One last thing. I am a high school teacher so I only have that perspective to rely on. But just for the record, I will also say this: Even though we are required to start the school year virtually this year (for at least the first 3 weeks unless Dallas county extends it), a lot of teachers I know are busting their butts to learn new tools, technologies, and strategies to effectively teach our students virtually. For most of us we had to hit the ground running in the spring and not ever teacher rose to the challenge. I hope that with time over the summer for reflection and training, things will be different in the fall. I taught summer school completely virtually and I would say that what I did worked very well (covered about 90% of the normal curriculum with several parents emailing me to compliment my teaching style and effectiveness).

While it isn't as good as in-person instruction, it is tremendously underselling a lot of hard-working professionals when people imply that virtual learning is completely trash,100% ineffective, and that unskilled, untrained subs just baby-sitting kids in person would be more effective than those kids learning in a virtual setting.Those of us who are being forced to teach in such a setting are working very hard to make sure that our students don't fall behind in their learning.
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While it isn't as good as in-person instruction, it is tremendously underselling a lot of hard-working professionals when people imply that virtual learning is completely trash,100% ineffective, and that unskilled, untrained subs just baby-sitting kids in person would be more effective than those kids learning in a virtual setting.
i can safely say for elementary school kids, virtual learning is:

  • completely trash
  • 100% ineffective
  • unskilled, untrained subs just baby-sitting kids in person would be more effective than those kids learning in a virtual setting

in fact, given what parents are going to have to do to make this charade work, i'd prefer they just cancel the semester
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cone said:

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While it isn't as good as in-person instruction, it is tremendously underselling a lot of hard-working professionals when people imply that virtual learning is completely trash,100% ineffective, and that unskilled, untrained subs just baby-sitting kids in person would be more effective than those kids learning in a virtual setting.
i can safely say for elementary school kids, virtual learning is:

  • completely trash
  • 100% ineffective
  • unskilled, untrained subs just baby-sitting kids in person would be more effective than those kids learning in a virtual setting

in fact, given what parents are going to have to do to make this charade work, i'd prefer they just cancel the semester
Again, I am only a high school teacher and so I can only speak to that and can say that your statements are not true for high school (not that you claimed they did).. I do not teach elementary school and I do not have kids so I have no room to argue with you over that (although I would not necessarily concede your points and would say that it depends on the individual schools and teachers).

I will say that when people claim that "kids don't transmit the virus" that they are likely talking about younger children and not the 16-18 year olds I teach. The data behind virus transmission is still coming out but some indications are that younger children are much less likely to have symptoms or transit the disease than older children or young adults. Anecdotally, it seems that virtual instruction was/is much more effective for older students than for elementary school kids. Taking this all into consideration I wish somebody (TEA, school district, county health officials, somebody) would consider that rather than making blanket requirements for schools reopening (or not reopening) maybe it would make sense to handle elementary schools and middle schools differently than high schools.
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For the love of god I wish something like this could be coordinated and executed this day in age!
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Like I said, the key difference is the lack of collective bargaining and being required to join as a teacher. The lack of collective bargaining is a big difference. In any case, like I said there is value in being a member of a teacher association but luckily for you we don't (can't) require teachers to join such an organization in this state.

I personally am a member of ATPE (Association of Texas Professional Educators). Other teacher associations in Texas have ties to national workers/teacher unions but ATPE does not which is something I appreciate.
I get the value if a situation arose. And on what you were saying about ties to other teacher unions I believe this one does have ties.
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Observer said:

Aston94 said:

AustinAg008 said:

Good luck getting your school board to understand this.
As a school board member, let me thank you for the cheap shot at individuals who volunteer their time to assist children and educators. Yes, we are all morons who cannot read recommendations of CDC, Texas Department of Health, Governor's office, or the Texas Education Administration.

We are just trying to deal with concerns of parents, teachers, administrators and the state.

Every school board member I have spoken with or heard from wants school in the fall. We also want it done safely and in a manner that protects the children and teachers.

My biggest concern is not with children getting the virus, it is with a kindergarten teacher who has 20 kids in her class and is exposed every day. When that teacher gets the virus, or is exposed to the virus, we have to find a sub for 14 days (it is surprising how many people don't want to volunteer for that position right now). We are going to run into a shortage of teachers in the classrooms this fall, no question about it.


Thank you for making your thinking visible.

Question - do teachers have access to N-95 masks and face shields? Even though the risk of elemetary school aged kids transmitting COVID-19 to teachers is relatively low, it is best to make sure that teachers would have the same protection as front line health workers. Additionally, is there measure to install some type of barrier between teacher and kids in the classroom, such as those seen in grocery stores.

As a parents with 2 kids in elementary school level, I am strongly in favor of children returning to school.
N95 no, face shield yes. TEA is distributing hand sanitizer, face shields, reusable masks, gloves, thermometers, and disposable gloves to every district. Dividers, N95, anything else is up to districts but most likely individual teachers. Being able to actually purchase legitimate N95 masks is difficult.
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Europe did it, and some long before they had a huge drop in infections.....

https://time.com/5868098/schools-reopening-coronavirus-denmark-south-korea-israel/
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Did you post that as an argument FOR opening U.S. schools or against?
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cc_ag92 said:

Did you post that as an argument FOR opening U.S. schools or against?
At this stage of the game it looks like opening up will not be the disaster many think. We need to darn sure keep a backup plan, whether remote or hybrid, in our hip pocket.
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Unions should be outlawed.
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School boards are notoriously risk averse, typically to a fault . It's going to take a lot of convincing for many of them.
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aggiesed8r said:

Unions should be outlawed.
For all intents and purposes they already are outlawed in Texas
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From same article/report:
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Other guidance takes into account the risk of transmission in schools and from schools. Many medical experts have said it's not safe to open schools while coronavirus is spreading in a community. The guidelines take note of these arguments.

"If there is substantial, uncontrolled transmission, schools should work closely with local health officials to make decisions on whether to maintain school operations," they read. "The health, safety, and wellbeing of students, teachers, staff and their families is the most important consideration in determining whether school closure is a necessary step," the guidance adds.
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As a former high school teacher, this is something I could get on board with. It might remind some of those principals who haven't stood in front a classroom of kids in 10+ years how challenging the job can be at times. Great plan for subs in my opinion.
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