three things:

1. yes when you test more there will be more cases - people who test positive and then retest - are counted multiple times

2. CDC has already indicated 6% of reported deaths were covid only. Yes I realize that covid was present in the other 94%, but when comparing to other countries - how do we know the standard they are using for reporting deaths.

3. The type of test and the sensitivity of the test matters! you just can't look at how many tests are performed, because some countries may only be using very insensitive tests.

so i am skeptical. I don't think with our medical expertise and overall cleanliness that we are the worst performing. the more logical scenario is we are reporting differently and more openly.

I don't think I did, I just did the math. Allow me to share the article.

"SALT LAKE CITY The internet was abuzz over the weekend when an updated report from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention noted that 94% of COVID-19 fatalities from Feb. 1 through Aug. 22 included some comorbid factors."

https://www.ksl.com/article/50012971/cdc-report-found-94-of-covid-19-deaths-included-comorbid-factors-heres-what-that-means

I'm not trying to make it something its not, but other media and, government and others have been taking this same information and doing the same thing (int the oterh direction) to creating fear and enact policies. So I wish they would take your advice and "Quit stating it. It does no one any good to say wrong things."

Carnwellag2 said:

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three things:

1. yes when you test more there will be more cases - people who test positive and then retest - are counted multiple times

2. CDC has already indicated 6% of reported deaths were covid only. Yes I realize that covid was present in the other 94%, but when comparing to other countries - how do we know the standard they are using for reporting deaths.

3. The type of test and the sensitivity of the test matters! you just can't look at how many tests are performed, because some countries may only be using very insensitive tests.

so i am skeptical. I don't think with our medical expertise and overall cleanliness that we are the worst performing. the more logical scenario is we are reporting differently and more openly.

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1. They only count Positive COVID tests once. So a person who has to test negative before they can return to work doesn't count as another new positive if they repetitively test positive before returning to work. They have demographic data that they match each test to, and once you test positive, they don't keep reporting the same person. They do count negative tests each time a person is negative. So if you keep getting tested for screening purposes with your job or because you have recurrent problems with cough and congestion due to other causes, but get tested each time to be safe about your risks for exposing others, then each of those negatives is counted and it goes toward the percent positive for testing that they report.

2. The 94% of COVID deaths with co-morbidities are your COVID caused deaths who weren't perfectly healthy to start with they were on blood pressure medicine, or diabetes, or were overweight or had a past history of some sort of respiratory problem like COPD or Asthma. The 6% were your completely healthy people that COVID killed. In the US a majority of our population has underlying conditions to varying degrees. I fill out death certificates for my patients that die and I know the standards that doctors in our hospital system use for death certificates.

3. I think our poor performance has been in public health and not poor performance from those on the front line taking care of patients.

Catag94 said:

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I don't think I did, I just did the math. Allow me to share the article.

"SALT LAKE CITY The internet was abuzz over the weekend when an updated report from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention noted that 94% of COVID-19 fatalities from Feb. 1 through Aug. 22 included some comorbid factors."

https://www.ksl.com/article/50012971/cdc-report-found-94-of-covid-19-deaths-included-comorbid-factors-heres-what-that-means

I'm not trying to make it something its not, but other media and, government and others have been taking this same information and doing the same thing (int the oterh direction) to creating fear and enact policies. So I wish they would take your advice and "Quit stating it. It does no one any good to say wrong things."

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No, you're still not getting it right. Read my comments in the 6% thread. The number should be 100%. Covid-19 doesn't kill anybody. It is always something else. The question you want answered is how often that "something else" was present beforehand. The article does NOT answer that question. I don't know if you'll ever get an answer to that question, because "comorbidity" is an elusive characterization. For example, do we have the BMI of every fatality?

AgE Doc said:

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1. They only count Positive COVID tests once. So a person who has to test negative before they can return to work doesn't count as another new positive if they repetitively test positive before returning to work. They have demographic data that they match each test to, and once you test positive, they don't keep reporting the same person. They do count negative tests each time a person is negative. So if you keep getting tested for screening purposes with your job or because you have recurrent problems with cough and congestion due to other causes, but get tested each time to be safe about your risks for exposing others, then each of those negatives is counted and it goes toward the percent positive for testing that they report.

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That may be what is supposed to happen, but there have been many cases identified differently and admitted as much by public officials. Similar to people testing positive and dying of something unrelated (gunshot) that happens.

Those stats come from death certificates and only 6% listed only COVID-19 as the cause with nothing else. I'm not saying it's accurate. I've basically been saying the stats, like most, can be used to look how one wishes. In the case of COVID -19 they have been used to create fear, and drive this society into unprecedented policies etc IMO. And, I don't think the actions imposed are truly justified. the 99.999% chart pretty much supports that.

Ethical Skeptic was on a radio show if anyone wants to listen: