Spanish study: 1,900+ summer camp kids, 30 index cases, 12 transmissions

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https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-08-26/major-coronavirus-study-in-spanish-summer-camps-shows-low-transmission-among-children.html

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Children and adolescents who took part in 22 summer camps in the Barcelona area in recent months have been found to have a capacity to transmit the coronavirus that is up to six times lower than that of the general population.

That is the preliminary conclusion of the biggest study so far carried out about the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 among minors. The research was carried out by a team from the Sant Joan de Du children's hospital in the Catalan capital. The authors of the study chose summer camps on the basis that they are "environments that are comparable with, or similar to, those of schools."

For five weeks, the study tracked "more than 1,900 people, including children and monitors, at 22 summer schools in the Barcelona area, in an urban environment," explained Juanjo Garca, the head of pediatrics at the hospital. "Every week a group of hospital personnel would travel to the camp and take saliva samples for a PCR test," he added. This type of screening was one of the novelties of the study, given that it is usually done using blood samples.

"For the five weeks that the investigation lasted, we were able to detect 39 newly appeared index cases," of which 30 were found in children, Iolanda Jordan, the head researcher, explained. "These children had 253 contacts, who were boys and girls from their respective cohabitation groups. From these, there were only 12 contagions, which is 4.7% and an R reproduction rate of 0.3. This is a low R number, six times lower than the one that we have found among the general population, which ranges from 1.7 to 2," Jordan added, in reference to the same neighborhoods in which the summer camps were taking place.

Another significant discovery, Jordan continued, is that "children under the age of 12 have the same transmission capacity as those aged 13 to 17."

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"children under the age of 12 have the same transmission capacity as those aged 13 to 17"

Could be huge for high schools moving forward. This is some of the first data I've seen reported that broke out >12 and <12, and that has been a big question.
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Studies don't matter. Data doesn't matter. Local health departments and school districts are not looking at the latest studies. They are still in the panic mindset of March.

Another case in point: White Oak ISD is quarantining two classes of second graders for two weeks after a potential exposure. They had a couple of cases come back positive at the high school and shut everything down until September 9. Completely not evidence-based. But get this, the local health department recommended it. That's right folks, the local health department hasn't been reading any studies or been updating itself on any of the latest data. Just full-blown panic mode since March. Very reassuring.
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Moxley said:

Studies don't matter. Data doesn't matter. Local health departments and school districts are not looking at the latest studies. They are still in the panic mindset of March.
Yep. Nothing matters to these people and if they react to information, they react in a hilariously slow fashion

We have known for several months that surface contact is not a very likely source of transmission and that it is unlikely to transmit outdoors in hot weather, and that kids aren't likely vectors of infection, yet I drive around my neighborhood and town and every single playground still has caution tape around it.

My neighborhood pool, which is a hole in the ground filled with water with disinfectant in it, is down to 25% capacity due to this crap...

And to anyone who says "Well they are just worried about lawsuits." Mkkay, how do you PROVE in a court of law that someone got a respiratory infection at a certain time, on a certain day, at a certain place? And even if they did, who with a functioning brain would give a *****
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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If there's one thing that's become clear over the course of the pandemic, it's that local health departments are, by and large, populated by bureaucratic dimwits. And now they're drunk on power and influence.
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Dimwits or an agenda?
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Were these sleep away camps or did they go home every day? If sleep away I could see once they are there containment being easy. Going home every day would be more like school.

Thanks for this - very interesting.. . . .
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Studies like that tend not to matter when we get stories like this, where hundreds of kids get sick from attending camp, from here in the US.

https://www.wired.com/story/a-summer-camp-covid-19-outbreak-offers-back-to-school-lessons/amp

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Federale01 said:

Studies like that tend not to matter when we get stories like this, where hundreds of kids get sick from attending camp, from here in the US.

https://www.wired.com/story/a-summer-camp-covid-19-outbreak-offers-back-to-school-lessons/amp


That's an overnight camp, not really relevant to returning to a school. Unless the campers are wearing masks in their sleep, it's not the same.

Likewise the OP was intending to make a point about returning to school, but the article stated the study was of campers in groups of 10 or less and nearly entirely outdoors. Since outdoors is incredibly low risk, to me, compared to indoors, and our school will have classes of 20 (I think), they study is not that relevant.

I have to think there is a like for like study or comparison out there - indoor classes for 5-7 hours a day, with students wearing masks, and common sense protocols. You know, the conditions my kids and many kids are returning to school under. I think the results will also be very positive and back my decision to send my kids to school, but I still want to see that valid comparison large scale study. I know it's out there but I'm done googling Covid stuff.
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