I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
How does one stop being considered an 'active case' and are people being rolled off the active case counts in a timely manner to be useful for public use?JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
Great question. I asked this on the hays county thread a while back and not sure anyone really knows. A friend was at his lake house in Horseshoe bay and came down with fever. Ended up getting tested in Austin and was positive. Stayed at lake house until he recovered and then returned to his home in tarrant county. He never retested to ensure he was negative. How does this scenario get tracked or reported? Did his case get added to travis county, llano county or tarrant and then what happens when he never retests or reports his recovery?tysker said:How does one stop being considered an 'active case' and are people being rolled off the active case counts in a timely manner to be useful for public use?JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
Which is why active cases is a poor metric. There is no reasonable or consistent measure of becoming in-active. When there's no way of unwinding counts, active cases figures will diverge to infinity.JesusQuintana said:Great question. I asked this on the hays county thread a while back and not sure anyone really knows. A friend was at his lake house in Horseshoe bay and came down with fever. Ended up getting tested in Austin and was positive. Stayed at lake house until he recovered and then returned to his home in tarrant county. He never retested to ensure he was negative. How does this scenario get tracked or reported? Did his case get added to travis county, llano county or tarrant and then what happens when he never retests or reports his recovery?tysker said:How does one stop being considered an 'active case' and are people being rolled off the active case counts in a timely manner to be useful for public use?JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
If this is indeed the case, then remove the metric from state and local dashboards. One would assume that if 3 weeks (made up number) go by then the case should be recovered. If they are reporting active cases that are months old that would be a failure and further contributing to misinformation.tysker said:Which is why active cases is a poor metric. There is no reasonable or consistent measure of becoming in-active. When there's no way of unwinding counts, active cases figures will diverge to infinity.JesusQuintana said:Great question. I asked this on the hays county thread a while back and not sure anyone really knows. A friend was at his lake house in Horseshoe bay and came down with fever. Ended up getting tested in Austin and was positive. Stayed at lake house until he recovered and then returned to his home in tarrant county. He never retested to ensure he was negative. How does this scenario get tracked or reported? Did his case get added to travis county, llano county or tarrant and then what happens when he never retests or reports his recovery?tysker said:How does one stop being considered an 'active case' and are people being rolled off the active case counts in a timely manner to be useful for public use?JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
JesusQuintana said:If this is indeed the case, then remove the metric from state and local dashboards. One would assume that if 3 weeks (made up number) go by then the case should be recovered. If they are reporting active cases that are months old that would be a failure and further contributing to misinformation.tysker said:Which is why active cases is a poor metric. There is no reasonable or consistent measure of becoming in-active. When there's no way of unwinding counts, active cases figures will diverge to infinity.JesusQuintana said:Great question. I asked this on the hays county thread a while back and not sure anyone really knows. A friend was at his lake house in Horseshoe bay and came down with fever. Ended up getting tested in Austin and was positive. Stayed at lake house until he recovered and then returned to his home in tarrant county. He never retested to ensure he was negative. How does this scenario get tracked or reported? Did his case get added to travis county, llano county or tarrant and then what happens when he never retests or reports his recovery?tysker said:How does one stop being considered an 'active case' and are people being rolled off the active case counts in a timely manner to be useful for public use?JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
Furthermore, if metrics are going to be reported on they need to get it right regardless of what anyone's thoughts are on them. We are 6 months into this and misinformation has plagued this deal from the get go.
There are zero county mandates in Collin county, the only mandates are from the state.Jefe07 said:
Except the governor based these mandates on counties with a minimum number of active cases. So, theoretically, some of the smaller fringe counties could have the mandates lifted if they can show they are under the number of active cases. Right?
Yeah, that's what I meant. If the county can audit the number of actual active cases and show that it's below the arbitrary number, they should be able to lift the state's mandates in that specific county.P.U.T.U said:There are zero county mandates in Collin county, the only mandates are from the state.Jefe07 said:
Except the governor based these mandates on counties with a minimum number of active cases. So, theoretically, some of the smaller fringe counties could have the mandates lifted if they can show they are under the number of active cases. Right?
That is a good question about how to count people not being counted as active, I guess you could assume if they are not in the hospital or died then they should be off the list in 14 days. But that is a lot of work to follow up on. Deaths and hospitalizations are better metrics
I would but I dont have that power. I'm guessing those that do have such power (politicians and health dept officials) either have never taken a high level math of statistics course, don't care about the inaccuracies, or do care but are using the data as a misinformation campaign. Maybe all of the above.Quote:
If this is indeed the case, then remove the metric from state and local dashboards.
P.U.T.U said:
Speaking of what is the current Texas mask mandate and when does it end?
I know a lot of people in Collin county are not following the mask mandate anymore. A few of the larger stores are making people wear them coming in but I see a few taking them off once they get past those entry people.
If they are indeed doing this to spread fear then yes i would agree with you. I have a hard time believing that the county I live in is using this to scare people but I am not big on conspiracy theories. If my taxpayer dollars are spent on ranked officials knowingly deceiving its citizens during a pandemic then we as a whole have much bigger issues...and I need to move.coolerguy12 said:JesusQuintana said:I disagree with this. Active and new cases are the metric to measure current infection in a specific county. As someone who lives with a higher risk senior, this is what they care about when it comes to how active and safe they feel in the community. It might not matter to you but it matters to those up in age and at risk.coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
Furthermore, if metrics are going to be reported on they need to get it right regardless of what anyone's thoughts are on them. We are 6 months into this and misinformation has plagued this deal from the get go.
So if they aren't getting it right, and they are always high based on their faulty calculation, one could presume they are reporting it just to spread fear...
I think you actually agree with me, you just don't realize it yet.
I can see this being the case which is a real shame that after 6 months we still can't get a system in place that's at least somewhat accurate. In the case of my mother n law that lives with us, she is not living in fear and somewhat the opposite as she wants to get back to life but also understands shes at a higher risk and needs to do diligence with regards to safety. If we don't have metrics in place that are worth a **** then whats the point....its not helpful.I Have Spoken said:
I don't think it is insidious. I think people are scared, and we have a poor reporting system that is playing into the fears.
Chris Hill said that there are a number of hospitalizations in Collin County that are residents of surrounding counties. These cases are not active cases in Collin County, but impact hospitalization numbers.AG 05 said:
How are there only 81 active cases but 83 cases hospitalized? Something still doesn't make sense on that set of numbers.
Is that the same with the new cases? 96 new cases but only 81 active unless many of those new cases are from out lying areas that tested in collin.shoes said:Chris Hill said that there are a number of hospitalizations in Collin County that are residents of surrounding counties. These cases are not active cases in Collin County, but impact hospitalization numbers.AG 05 said:
How are there only 81 active cases but 83 cases hospitalized? Something still doesn't make sense on that set of numbers.
81 cases left over from the 4,732 and another and the new cases were from the past few daysAG 05 said:
How are there only 81 active cases but 83 cases hospitalized? Something still doesn't make sense on that set of numbers.
coolerguy12 said:
"Active Cases" is just another fear mongering term used to control the people that buy into it. The only thing we should care about are hospitalizations and ICU capacity.
