I looked it up on my own. Sweden outperformed the rest of Europe financially but not its Nordic neighbors

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Sweden's official statistics agency said that Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% in Q2.

In comparison, Finland's statistics body said that its Q2 GDP was down 3.2%, and Denmark's said GDP there was down 7.4%.

Norway's GDP also appears to have fallen less than Sweden's, though its measurements are out of sync with other nations. Its GDP fell 7.1% from March to May, a timeframe one month earlier.

The outcome of Sweden's strategy is best compared to these countries, given their similar demographics, culture, and political systems.

Sweden has now seen 5,776 deaths among its population of just over 10 million.

Its death rate was once one of the world's highest, and is now still significantly higher than its neighbours: more than five times Denmark's, more than 11 times Norway's, and around 10 times Finland's.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

Sisyphus said:

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The confirmed cases in Texas are around 640K and the population is almost 30M. That's only 2% of the population that has had it. Even if you assume that the actual number is 5X greater than the confirmed number, that's still only 10%. Based on that, I would think that we would see numbers go up almost as fast as before. The hospitals would exceed capacity and it would be a year or more before it slowed down. With hospitals impacted, the case fatality rate would shoot up and a lot more people would die.

I think I may be misunderstanding what you're advocating (or misinterpreting the numbers).

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The generally believed estimate is that for every confirmed case, there are 10 in the general population. Meaning Texas has had 6.4 million people infected, about 21%.

This number is consistent with almost everywhere else in the world. There's more and more evidence that herd immunity is achieved at 20-30% of the population being infected and/or recovered.

That's why when we reopened, this thing tore through Texas. Lots of people who had underlying health conditions got seriously sick. Then, we as we started approaching 20%, the numbers all fell off a cliff.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-could-it-be-burning-out-after-20-of-a-population-is-infected-141584

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The generally believed estimate is that for every confirmed case, there are 10 in the general population. Meaning Texas has had 6.4 million people infected, about 21%.

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The 10X estimate was used early on when it was difficult for people to get a test, even those who had obvious COVID symptoms. It is much easier to get a test now so that number should be significantly lower. I don't know how much lower; 5x was a guess.

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This number is consistent with almost everywhere else in the world. There's more and more evidence that herd immunity is achieved at 20-30% of the population being infected and/or recovered.

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Herd immunity is not a constant number. It is a function of how much interaction and mixing of people there is. For example, if every single person in a closed community was isolated from everyone else, then herd immunity is achieved at 0%. If every single person in that closed community is forced to spend time with every other person, herd immunity is closer to 100%. When bars are closed and mass gatherings aren't allowed, the herd immunity number is lower. When you start to open up, the herd immunity number goes higher. If you open up slowly, you can manage that. People will still get infected, getting closer to herd immunity for your new level of openness but the infection rate doesn't get so high that hospitals are overwhelmed.

We are no where near the level of herd immunity needed to open up all the way. If we were to do that the hospitals will get overwhelmed again.

EyeBalz said:

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I don't care anymore.

We just need to go back to an almost complete pre-Covid normal, no masks, 100% capacity at restaurants but maybe something less for sports games , maybe restrict bars and nightclubs, and have high risk people stay home and/or wear N95 masks.


The goal should always be to not overwhelm our hospitals while protecting the very vulnerable, not to minimize total infections until a vaccine is available.

We are killing our the businesses that fuel our economy and wrecking our kids' Aggie college experience.

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100% on target.