Terrible analogy and everyone who starred this took no time to think it through.CastleRock said:
Not sure it really matters. You can't just say COVID is a non issue because people with obesity and diabetes are dying of it at a higher rate than healthier people.
If obese people were getting run over by busses, you wouldn't say "tell those fat people to get in shape and they can jump out of the way."
Obesity didn't kill them, busses did.
(COVID is the bus here)
The last 3 or 4 lines are incomplete data as it takes 6+ weeks to get a more complete total.CapCityAg89 said:
The overall weekly deaths with the excess curve is even more telling for this last period ...
Those last two lines: 8/29 is about even and 9/5 is 5K under average (7500 under the upper bound). The next couple months will be interesting to see what happens with overall "excess" death. That 5K under average is easily the lowest number of the last three years.
That's not how I understand the CDC data when I read the Figure Notes that accompany the graph.CapCityAg89 said:
The final lines are all estimates; not strictly speaking "incomplete" (they guess at the full level on the glass, they don't show how full the glass is to date). The CDC is estimating the week of 9/4 as very low.
CastleRock said:
Not sure it really matters. You can't just say COVID is a non issue because people with obesity and diabetes are dying of it at a higher rate than healthier people.
If obese people were getting run over by busses, you wouldn't say "tell those fat people to get in shape and they can jump out of the way."
Obesity didn't kill them, busses did.
(COVID is the bus here)
CastleRock said:AggieBiker said:Terrible analogy and everyone who starred this took no time to think it through.CastleRock said:
Not sure it really matters. You can't just say COVID is a non issue because people with obesity and diabetes are dying of it at a higher rate than healthier people.
If obese people were getting run over by busses, you wouldn't say "tell those fat people to get in shape and they can jump out of the way."
Obesity didn't kill them, busses did.
(COVID is the bus here)
In the case of the bus, being obese or thin doesn't matter if it runs over you. In the case of COVID, whether you have obesity and diabetes has a great impact on whether it will kill you. All the medical authorities will tell you that. Come up with better analogies if you want to scare intelligent, thinking people.
Reread my post
I'm saying that we can't dismiss COVID deaths just because they're obese or have co-morbidities, which is what people want to do with the breakdown.
I understood your point the first time I read your post. I also recognized your analogy is an inappropriate characterization of the issue as I pointed out. And as many others have pointed out, you can't attribute every death of a COVID infected person to COVID alone which may not be what you intended to imply either. After all you did say, "we can't dismiss COVID deaths just because..." so you don't seem to be implying we can't dismiss some of these for other reasons. But it also seems you are saying we can't dismiss a COVID death if the only other factor is comorbidities. I disagree with that if it is an accurate reflection of what you meant.CastleRock said:AggieBiker said:Terrible analogy and everyone who starred this took no time to think it through.CastleRock said:
Not sure it really matters. You can't just say COVID is a non issue because people with obesity and diabetes are dying of it at a higher rate than healthier people.
If obese people were getting run over by busses, you wouldn't say "tell those fat people to get in shape and they can jump out of the way."
Obesity didn't kill them, busses did.
(COVID is the bus here)
In the case of the bus, being obese or thin doesn't matter if it runs over you. In the case of COVID, whether you have obesity and diabetes has a great impact on whether it will kill you. All the medical authorities will tell you that. Come up with better analogies if you want to scare intelligent, thinking people.
Reread my post
I'm saying that we can't dismiss COVID deaths just because they're obese or have co-morbidities, which is what people want to do with the breakdown.
unless you walk in front of the same bus every morning for 40 years and one day are just a few seconds late. Just because you narrowly missed death for 40 years doesn't mean death wasn't there watching and waiting.CastleRock said:
Not sure it really matters. You can't just say COVID is a non issue because people with obesity and diabetes are dying of it at a higher rate than healthier people.
If obese people were getting run over by busses, you wouldn't say "tell those fat people to get in shape and they can jump out of the way."
Obesity didn't kill them, busses did.
(COVID is the bus here)
The only one denying anything is you. Many of us are outraged because the public policies will lead to more deaths than covid and especially when you measure months of life lost. If you can't understand a chart that is pretty clear, that's on you. All the charts are pretty easy to read and contain proper sources (mostly the CDC).rojo_ag said:
Who is this PLC dude, and why is he so intent on using the word "fear" when interpreting the statistics?
I just looked him up. IMO, he's a hack. He has no credibility, and he is not objective at all.
If it smells like agenda, it's probably agenda.
And. . .here you go again with dropping charts without analysis.
Why is it so important for several posters on this thread to suggest that the excess deaths are nothing to be concerned about? Acknowledge that people died from or with Covid who would have otherwise lived. They may have had an underlying condition, but Covid with a comorbidity or several comorbidities took them out.
What's your endgame? Are you suggesting that the number of excess deaths were elevated by suicides, drug overdoses, and sick people who need medical care? I'm sure there has been an increase of all of the above, but what were those refrigerator trucks in several cities used for: suicides, ODs, fake Covid deaths, and people riddled with fear?
Is the media conspiring with left to be silent on the huge uptick in deaths unrelated to Covid? I'm certain that if this were the case, Fox News would be running with it daily. Truth is the uptick in deaths for other causes has happened, but the number of excess deaths has for the most part been Covid related.
You know the five stages of grief: Please circle what stage you are in.
- denial
- anger
- bargaining
- depression
- acceptance
What's the harm in accepting this and then moving on?
It's just this simple: If my student is constructing a sound argument, and she uses statistics without commentary, I would make her revise her text. Why the data matters is as important as choosing data that supports your thinking.Keegan99 said:
Why should it be incumbent on me to analyze the charts for you? The relevant commentary, sources, and explanations are provided for you to review.
rojo_ag said:It's just this simple: If my student is constructing a sound argument, and she uses statistics without commentary, I would make her revise her text. Why the data matters is as important as choosing data that supports your thinking.Keegan99 said:
Why should it be incumbent on me to analyze the charts for you? The relevant commentary, sources, and explanations are provided for you to review.
In addition, the commentary you use are the thoughts and opinions of an obviously biased source. He hammers the point that "fear" and "panic" are the main reasons more people died. Perhaps on a different forum, his opinions would resonant, but here his agenda ruins his credibility. IMO, you contribute nothing with these statistics.
This week's... (Last 3 bars are August 29th, September 5th, & September 12th) --CapCityAg89 said:
Well see in a couple weeks I guess.
