Covid nasal spray protection

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https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/17/Nasal-solution-may-stop-spread-of-COVID-19-study-finds/1881600350075/

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commercially available nasal antiseptic solution 'inactivates' COVID-19 just 15 seconds after the coronavirus is exposed to it, effectively preventing the infection from developing, according to a study published Thursday by JAMA Otolaryngology-Head & Neck Surgery. By inactivating the virus, the antiseptic nasal rinse a povidone-iodine solution administered in the nostril also would help prevent those infected from spreading it to others, the researchers said.
Aggie95
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is once a day enough? how often do you have to snort it?
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Is this like injecting yourself with bleach?............because I've been told not to do that.

Just kidding, I couldn't help it.
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These are in vitro studies. One of the questions is whether or not iodine, in concentrations that are able to inactivate the virus in vivo, are ciliotoxic. Right now, U.K. Lexington is doing a study of inpatients and healthcare workers using a povidone iodine 10% solution diluted 1:30 used as a nasal spray and a gargle. It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the study. I think it has great potential.
And Vanderbilt is doing studies with COVID positive patients randomized to no intervention, nasal saline irrigations twice daily, and nasal saline plus Johnson's Baby Shampoo irrigations twice a day. Baby shampoo has been well studied as a surfactant in treating sinusitis, meaning that it rinses off the biofilms that allow bacteria to reproduce and to avoid antibiotic therapy. It would be great if baby shampoo irrigations (I am less optimistic about just nasal saline) will prove to decrease viral load in COVID.
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Kool said:

These are in vitro studies. One of the questions is whether or not iodine, in concentrations that are able to inactivate the virus in vivo, are ciliotoxic. Right now, U.K. Lexington is doing a study of inpatients and healthcare workers using a povidone iodine 10% solution diluted 1:30 used as a nasal spray and a gargle. It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the study. I think it has great potential.
And Vanderbilt is doing studies with COVID positive patients randomized to no intervention, nasal saline irrigations twice daily, and nasal saline plus Johnson's Baby Shampoo irrigations twice a day. Baby shampoo has been well studied as a surfactant in treating sinusitis, meaning that it rinses off the biofilms that allow bacteria to reproduce and to avoid antibiotic therapy. It would be great if baby shampoo irrigations (I am less optimistic about just nasal saline) will prove to decrease viral load in COVID.
Interesting on the baby shampoo and sinusitis.
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BiochemAg97 said:

Kool said:

These are in vitro studies. One of the questions is whether or not iodine, in concentrations that are able to inactivate the virus in vivo, are ciliotoxic. Right now, U.K. Lexington is doing a study of inpatients and healthcare workers using a povidone iodine 10% solution diluted 1:30 used as a nasal spray and a gargle. It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the study. I think it has great potential.
And Vanderbilt is doing studies with COVID positive patients randomized to no intervention, nasal saline irrigations twice daily, and nasal saline plus Johnson's Baby Shampoo irrigations twice a day. Baby shampoo has been well studied as a surfactant in treating sinusitis, meaning that it rinses off the biofilms that allow bacteria to reproduce and to avoid antibiotic therapy. It would be great if baby shampoo irrigations (I am less optimistic about just nasal saline) will prove to decrease viral load in COVID.
Interesting on the baby shampoo and sinusitis.


Yes that's amazing
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Very interesting ideas.
Kool
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http://www.neilmed.com/articles/babyshampoo.pdf

1% baby shampoo in saline is the ideal concentration. I have my postop patients irrigate with saline all the time. At the hint of any thickness or colored secretions, I have them add baby shampoo. A teaspoon is 5 cc. An ounce is 30 cc you can use whatever math you want, but two teaspoons baby shampoo per quart of saline is close. It will bubble and some people don't like it. Bactroban (Mupirocin), only available by prescription, also has been shown to act as a surfactant and destroy bacterial biofilms.
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I assume this is some of the context....




https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

5.1. Intrinsic Barriers

The intrinsic barrier provides the first line of defense against respiratory viruses on the mucosal surface of the respiratory epithelium. Different airway epithelium composition in the different parts of the respiratory tract creates the airway diameter-dependent barrier defenses (73). The epithelial cells lining on the airway surface comprise an efficient mechanical barrier, as well as provide MCC. Furthermore, mucus secreted from the goblet cells and submucosal glands in the larger conducting airways confers chemical barriers at the mucosal surface (74).

5.1.1. Mucus production.
An incoming virus first must find epithelial cells to invade the host. Mucus layers can effectively trap the virus before it can enter the host cells (Figure 4). Mucus secreted from the submucosal glands within the lamina propria serves as a mechanical barrier and as a chemical barrier by its antimicrobial properties (74, 75). Components of the mucus are 93-97% w/w water, 37% w/w solids, 13% w/w glycoproteins, 1% w/w proteins, 0.51% w/wlipids, and 0.701.4% w/w minerals (76). The major glycoproteins in the airway mucus are secretory mucin proteins MUC5AC and MUC5B (77).
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plain_o_llama said:

I assume this is some of the context....




https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

5.1. Intrinsic Barriers

The intrinsic barrier provides the first line of defense against respiratory viruses on the mucosal surface of the respiratory epithelium. Different airway epithelium composition in the different parts of the respiratory tract creates the airway diameter-dependent barrier defenses (73). The epithelial cells lining on the airway surface comprise an efficient mechanical barrier, as well as provide MCC. Furthermore, mucus secreted from the goblet cells and submucosal glands in the larger conducting airways confers chemical barriers at the mucosal surface (74).

5.1.1. Mucus production.
An incoming virus first must find epithelial cells to invade the host. Mucus layers can effectively trap the virus before it can enter the host cells (Figure 4). Mucus secreted from the submucosal glands within the lamina propria serves as a mechanical barrier and as a chemical barrier by its antimicrobial properties (74, 75). Components of the mucus are 93-97% w/w water, 37% w/w solids, 13% w/w glycoproteins, 1% w/w proteins, 0.51% w/wlipids, and 0.701.4% w/w minerals (76). The major glycoproteins in the airway mucus are secretory mucin proteins MUC5AC and MUC5B (77).



What you're showing represents the respiratory lining's innate protective characteristics and why URIs propagate more readily in dryer air as is seen outdoors but especially indoors during the winter.
Iodine seems to be directly virucidal, hence its study in preventing or even treating early COVID.
Biofilms are secreted by bacteria. Quorum sensing, protection fromantibiotics and mucolytics, etc. are the end result of bio films. WAAY above my pay grade, as Obama might say, but perhaps there are microbiologists who could chime in. I've been a big believer in Mupirocin and baby shampoo rinses for bacterial sinusitis for years. This is the first time I've seen surfactants discussed for the prevention or treatment of viruses. Necessity is the Mother of invention, I guess.
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plain_o_llama
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What I was thinking was if the saline alone worked it suggests that maintaining the hydration was key versus any anti-viral action. The diagram is rudimentary and doesn't give any sense of scale.

I wonder if the biofilms might be a factor in why virus fragments seem to "get stuck" allowing some people to test positive long after any active infection. Way, way, way above my pay grade also.
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Kool said:

These are in vitro studies. One of the questions is whether or not iodine, in concentrations that are able to inactivate the virus in vivo, are ciliotoxic. Right now, U.K. Lexington is doing a study of inpatients and healthcare workers using a povidone iodine 10% solution diluted 1:30 used as a nasal spray and a gargle. It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the study. I think it has great potential.
And Vanderbilt is doing studies with COVID positive patients randomized to no intervention, nasal saline irrigations twice daily, and nasal saline plus Johnson's Baby Shampoo irrigations twice a day. Baby shampoo has been well studied as a surfactant in treating sinusitis, meaning that it rinses off the biofilms that allow bacteria to reproduce and to avoid antibiotic therapy. It would be great if baby shampoo irrigations (I am less optimistic about just nasal saline) will prove to decrease viral load in COVID.


Just spitballing here, would hydrogen peroxide be feasible? It's known to kill a litany of things including covid.
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AG @ HEART said:

Kool said:

These are in vitro studies. One of the questions is whether or not iodine, in concentrations that are able to inactivate the virus in vivo, are ciliotoxic. Right now, U.K. Lexington is doing a study of inpatients and healthcare workers using a povidone iodine 10% solution diluted 1:30 used as a nasal spray and a gargle. It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the study. I think it has great potential.
And Vanderbilt is doing studies with COVID positive patients randomized to no intervention, nasal saline irrigations twice daily, and nasal saline plus Johnson's Baby Shampoo irrigations twice a day. Baby shampoo has been well studied as a surfactant in treating sinusitis, meaning that it rinses off the biofilms that allow bacteria to reproduce and to avoid antibiotic therapy. It would be great if baby shampoo irrigations (I am less optimistic about just nasal saline) will prove to decrease viral load in COVID.


Just spitballing here, would hydrogen peroxide be feasible? It's known to kill a litany of things including covid.
My dentist was requiring a dilute hydrogen peroxide mouthwash before a teeth cleaning once they were allowed to reopen. The switched to something else recently.

Mouthwash/gargle sure. Not sure I would want hydrogen peroxide up my nose though.
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