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nortex97 said:

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Yep. I don't particularly find the CDC credible anyway. Dr. Atlas is correct here;

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Alexander's response told you all you need to know about how worthless most of the corporate press is. He asked Dr. Atlas "Who are we to believe?"

In response, Dr. Atlas gave him a list of the research proving that, contrary to what Redfield had told Congress, much more than 10 percent of Americans have immunity to COVID-19. He had to remind Alexander, that he could, you know, look up the data and figure out who was right.

But, though Alexander fancies himself a journalist, like most of his colleagues he's really just a glorified gossip columnist. It simply never even occurred to him to look at the research himself and report anything deeper than what someone else has said about it.

One problem Dr. Atlas pointed out is that what Redfield told Congress came from data which, in many cases, is over five months out of date:

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The data he was talking about is [CDC] surveillance data which showed that roughly 9% of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. That's point number one.

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But it's point number two that's the real kicker. Researchers have known since the middle of the last century that, besides antibody-producing B-cells, your body also has a second equally important defense against infections provided by T-cells.

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Can you explain why you trust Dr. Scott Atlas who has doesn't have experience in infectious diseases over the Centers for Disease Control? Is it just because you agree with him or does he have some sort of expertise im unaware of?

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nortex97 said:

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nai06 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Yep. I don't particularly find the CDC credible anyway. Dr. Atlas is correct here;

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Alexander's response told you all you need to know about how worthless most of the corporate press is. He asked Dr. Atlas "Who are we to believe?"

In response, Dr. Atlas gave him a list of the research proving that, contrary to what Redfield had told Congress, much more than 10 percent of Americans have immunity to COVID-19. He had to remind Alexander, that he could, you know, look up the data and figure out who was right.

But, though Alexander fancies himself a journalist, like most of his colleagues he's really just a glorified gossip columnist. It simply never even occurred to him to look at the research himself and report anything deeper than what someone else has said about it.

One problem Dr. Atlas pointed out is that what Redfield told Congress came from data which, in many cases, is over five months out of date:

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The data he was talking about is [CDC] surveillance data which showed that roughly 9% of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. That's point number one.

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But it's point number two that's the real kicker. Researchers have known since the middle of the last century that, besides antibody-producing B-cells, your body also has a second equally important defense against infections provided by T-cells.

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Can you explain why you trust Dr. Scott Atlas who has doesn't have experience in infectious diseases over the Centers for Disease Control? Is it just because you agree with him or does he have some sort of expertise im unaware of?

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I believe the CDC is thoroughly politically compromised, while also being thoroughly incompetent, as it's former director (Tom Friedan) doing the talk circuits has illustrated perfectly.

It's also failed to provide accurate, scientifically based guidance throughout this pandemic. Thus, I'm looking for intelligent people (doctors or otherwise) analyzing the statistics and facts (aka science) in a cogent manner whom I can trust for guidance.

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beerad12man said:

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nai06 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Yep. I don't particularly find the CDC credible anyway. Dr. Atlas is correct here;

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Alexander's response told you all you need to know about how worthless most of the corporate press is. He asked Dr. Atlas "Who are we to believe?"

In response, Dr. Atlas gave him a list of the research proving that, contrary to what Redfield had told Congress, much more than 10 percent of Americans have immunity to COVID-19. He had to remind Alexander, that he could, you know, look up the data and figure out who was right.

But, though Alexander fancies himself a journalist, like most of his colleagues he's really just a glorified gossip columnist. It simply never even occurred to him to look at the research himself and report anything deeper than what someone else has said about it.

One problem Dr. Atlas pointed out is that what Redfield told Congress came from data which, in many cases, is over five months out of date:

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The data he was talking about is [CDC] surveillance data which showed that roughly 9% of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. That's point number one.

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But it's point number two that's the real kicker. Researchers have known since the middle of the last century that, besides antibody-producing B-cells, your body also has a second equally important defense against infections provided by T-cells.

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Can you explain why you trust Dr. Scott Atlas who has doesn't have experience in infectious diseases over the Centers for Disease Control? Is it just because you agree with him or does he have some sort of expertise im unaware of?

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It isn't just Dr Atlas, FWIW. Also, if the CDC is saying 0.0025, with 200+k dead. That doesn't add up to 10%. Somethings amiss with their numbers. Doesn't take long to figure that out.

The CDC has said some dumb crap throughout this and contradicted themselves multiple times. Forgive some of us for looking at data we have seen and thinking they are likely wrong in their assessment that only 9% of people are immune to this thing right now.

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JamesE4 said:

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beerad12man said:

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nai06 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Yep. I don't particularly find the CDC credible anyway. Dr. Atlas is correct here;

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Alexander's response told you all you need to know about how worthless most of the corporate press is. He asked Dr. Atlas "Who are we to believe?"

In response, Dr. Atlas gave him a list of the research proving that, contrary to what Redfield had told Congress, much more than 10 percent of Americans have immunity to COVID-19. He had to remind Alexander, that he could, you know, look up the data and figure out who was right.

But, though Alexander fancies himself a journalist, like most of his colleagues he's really just a glorified gossip columnist. It simply never even occurred to him to look at the research himself and report anything deeper than what someone else has said about it.

One problem Dr. Atlas pointed out is that what Redfield told Congress came from data which, in many cases, is over five months out of date:

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The data he was talking about is [CDC] surveillance data which showed that roughly 9% of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. That's point number one.

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But it's point number two that's the real kicker. Researchers have known since the middle of the last century that, besides antibody-producing B-cells, your body also has a second equally important defense against infections provided by T-cells.

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Can you explain why you trust Dr. Scott Atlas who has doesn't have experience in infectious diseases over the Centers for Disease Control? Is it just because you agree with him or does he have some sort of expertise im unaware of?

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It isn't just Dr Atlas, FWIW. Also, if the CDC is saying 0.0025, with 200+k dead. That doesn't add up to 10%. Somethings amiss with their numbers. Doesn't take long to figure that out.

The CDC has said some dumb crap throughout this and contradicted themselves multiple times. Forgive some of us for looking at data we have seen and thinking they are likely wrong in their assessment that only 9% of people are immune to this thing right now.

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200K dead w/ .0025 equates to 80 MM infected - so a little more than 20% of the U.S. has been infected with COVID. That seems a little high to me - I think ~15-17% infected nationwide is probably closer. I still believe that a region hits "herd immunity" at about 20% infected. The big cities are there - rural areas not quite.

So instead of .0025, maybe closer to .0037.

Either way, we are past the worst, and should not be afraid to send kids back to school and people back to work.

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