Some schools going virtual after Thanksgiving?

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In reply to Capitol Ag • 6:27p, 11/12/20
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Well, our school district (Carroll) sent out an email last night essentially asking everyone to wear a mask and socially distance when outside of school. They basically said they are concerned with the recent spike in the area, and are asking everyone to take care of themselves outside of the home so the school can remain open.

They also mentioned they are very low on substitute teachers. They currently have 20 teachers with positive cases (mostly in high school) and a bunch more who have been quarantined and are teaching remotely now. There's basically the same number of positive teachers as students, but since there are 20 times as many students, I suspect there's a lot of kids who just aren't symptomatic.

Anyways, it sounds like the district is laying the ground work for possibly going remote relatively soon. If they do that, I expect all hell to break loose among the parents. It's already extremely tense between certain parent clicks.
Wait, there are 20 positive cases at SL Carroll HS? That sound very high for confirmed positive cases. Are you sure that most of those aren't out b/c of contact tracing?


Not all 20 are at the high school, that's across the district. 10 are high school teachers or staff, so they may not be in direct contact with students. When we get the emails, they don't really specify if it's a teacher or just staff. Since the high school is on two campuses, I combined the numbers to make it easier to compare to other high schools. All the other schools have just one or two teachers out.

I'm pretty sure the numbers are positive cases. There are some other teachers out because of contact tracing, but they are teaching remotely. My son has a teacher like this, and they didn't report any positive teacher cases the day she went remote.

Like I said, the email we got last night seemed to be laying the ground work for sending kids remote. If that happens there will probably be a lot of drunk soccer mom's rioting in the streets of their gated neighborhoods.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 6:30p, 11/12/20
We are in Grapevine-Colleyville ISD and I think they are going to close individual schools before they shut down the whole district. My kids' elementary and middle schools are having an outbreak so I imagine they will go remote after Thanksgiving if not sooner. Mainly because too many teachers are out and they are having trouble covering the classes.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 6:32p, 11/12/20
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"It spreads in school the same that it spreads in the general population." What are you basing this statement on? This is flat out FALSE.

It is not spreading in schools, there is no data pointing to this. There is a big difference between a school environment setting and kids hanging out at parties, or catching it from relatives in their home.

There is no Katy data suggesting that it is being spread in the school environment. If there is, they are not reporting it to the state (which is one of the reporting fields) and you can look up yourself.


Has anyone done random testing at schools? Since kids are typically asymptomatic, how would we really know how much it is spreading?

I do agree, though, that it's probably more likely spreading between high school kids when they're making out in the basement. Most schools have taken some level of precaution. As soon as the kids leave the campus, though, it's back to not giving an f.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 6:32p, 11/12/20
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AustinAg2K said:
Capitol Ag said:
AustinAg2K said:
DWell, our school district (Carroll) sent out an email last night essentially asking everyone to wear a mask and socially distance when outside of school. They basically said they are concerned with the recent spike in the area, and are asking everyone to take care of themselves outside of the home so the school can remain open.

They also mentioned they are very low on substitute teachers. They currently have 20 teachers with positive cases (mostly in high school) and a bunch more who have been quarantined and are teaching remotely now. There's basically the same number of positive teachers as students, but since there are 20 times as many students, I suspect there's a lot of kids who just aren't symptomatic.

Anyways, it sounds like the district is laying the ground work for possibly going remote relatively soon. If they do that, I expect all hell to break loose among the parents. It's already extremely tense between certain parent clicks.
Wait, there are 20 positive cases at SL Carroll HS? That sound very high for confirmed positive cases. Are you sure that most of those aren't out b/c of contact tracing?


Not all 20 are at the high school, that's across the district. 10 are high school teachers or staff, so they may not be in direct contact with students. When we get the emails, they don't really specify if it's a teacher or just staff. Since the high school is on two campuses, I combined the numbers to make it easier to compare to other high schools. All the other schools have just one or two teachers out.

I'm pretty sure the numbers are positive cases. There are some other teachers out because of contact tracing, but they are teaching remotely. My son has a teacher like this, and they didn't report any positive teacher cases the day she went remote.

Like I said, the email we got last night seemed to be laying the ground work for sending kids remote. If that happens there will probably be a lot of drunk soccer mom's rioting in the streets of their gated neighborhoods.
I'll tell you this, there'd be a lot of drunk McKinney/Frisco/Prosper moms rioting here as well!
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8:24p, 11/12/20
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Talking to a dad on my sons baseball team tonight and he is the wrestling coach at a DFW high school. He has a kid that has yet to test positive this year but has been quarantined for 9 of the 15 weeks due to tracing. The kid is so far behind he doesn't think he will pass.
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In reply to amercer • 10:28p, 11/12/20
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Pretty much every college is going to do this. My son's elementary school is going virtual for the week after thanksgiving to try to buy a little time for anyone who might have picked it up over the holiday

Ah, yes. Because if there's one thing I've learned it's that college and elementary school age kids are the exact same, both in terms of covid spread and effectiveness of virtual learning.
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2:31a, 11/13/20
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Subs are pretty much non existent where I teach NOW. And teachers have had to quarantine and teachers are out due to non covid things. Right now when that happens the kids are sent to the auditorium to work on their chrome books. If teacher is ok but at home there is a 50 minute live class from the teacher. If not possible due to illness or things like death in the family, then the kids are to work async the full 100 minute class. They hired a couple of permanent subs who patrol the auditorium. So I don't see us needing to shut down due to no subs. But understand this is pretty much a no learning situation. My students say that the teachers who are remote only and have them in the auditorumium are classes where nearly everyone is failing.
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In reply to duck79 • 7:44a, 11/13/20
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Talking to a dad on my sons baseball team tonight and he is the wrestling coach at a DFW high school. He has a kid that has yet to test positive this year but has been quarantined for 9 of the 15 weeks due to tracing. The kid is so far behind he doesn't think he will pass.
Absurd!
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I think quarantining kids that are not showing any symptoms is a huge failure of the system. For example Wylie East has 18 current cases but 238 have been "exposed". From what I have been told none of the kids have had to go to the hospital since August when the schools opened. Covid has to run its course in order for us to get passed it and remote learning has proven to be a massive failure for our kids education.

We should be glad that Covid has been proven to not be as dangerous for children and plan accordingly. Kids need to be around other kids, they need in-person teaching to grasp most subjects (especially elementary and middle school). My kids have been able to play with other kids all along and they are happy and excelling in school. My niece has been locked up since March and has not played with any kids outside, Facetiming with them and seeing the change in personality is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. You cannot talk to her mom either since I am a murderer and reckless for letting our kids live a normal life.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 9:34a, 11/13/20
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I think quarantining kids that are not showing any symptoms is a huge failure of the system. For example Wylie East has 18 current cases but 238 have been "exposed". From what I have been told none of the kids have had to go to the hospital since August when the schools opened. Covid has to run its course in order for us to get passed it and remote learning has proven to be a massive failure for our kids education.
The problem is that some of those 238 are likely asymptomatic, but can still spread the disease. If all the kids could just take care of themselves, it's not that big a deal, but since most can't, they need adult supervision. Those kids are likely to spread to an adult. As has been mentioned above, schools are having trouble finding enough adults willing to do the job.

I get the idea of just quarantining the most at risk, and let everyone else move on. However, in reality, it's just not that easy to do. That's not to say that everyone should just lock down. I do think schools need to be looking for more creative ways to keep the kids still learning. I think that is the failure in a lot of districts. They made a decision at the beginning of the year, and they are refusing to adjust. There is a huge middle ground between everyone ignoring everything, and everyone locking everything down. From my circle, that's where everyone wants to be. However, the far edges are the ones that screen and complain the most, so many school districts seem to be either lock it down, or take no precautions.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 9:50a, 11/13/20
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Haven't heard anything at Prosper where I work. We plan, as of now, to be back T plus 4 until Christmas break Dec 21.

Sure hope we don't see schools go back to at home. There is no need.
big surge in PISD in the last 2 weeks. One Elementary has 14 teachers out.

1 tested positive the day after 10 of them were at a HH together.

Contact tracing is what's killing the schools right now.
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In reply to ChoppinDs40 • 10:07a, 11/13/20
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Capitol Ag said:
Haven't heard anything at Prosper where I work. We plan, as of now, to be back T plus 4 until Christmas break Dec 21.

Sure hope we don't see schools go back to at home. There is no need.
big surge in PISD in the last 2 weeks. One Elementary has 14 teachers out.

1 tested positive the day after 10 of them were at a HH together.

Contact tracing is what's killing the schools right now.
Agree. Which is why they went to loosening the rules a bit regarding quarantining. Still, if there still is quarantining, there is still a major road block to being able to properly educate these kids. Online education just doesn't work. These kids need to stay in school if at all possible, even at the risk of health to others if we value the education that they should receive and the mental health of the children. Just my opinion.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 10:11a, 11/13/20
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AustinAg2K said:
P.U.T.U said:
I think quarantining kids that are not showing any symptoms is a huge failure of the system. For example Wylie East has 18 current cases but 238 have been "exposed". From what I have been told none of the kids have had to go to the hospital since August when the schools opened. Covid has to run its course in order for us to get passed it and remote learning has proven to be a massive failure for our kids education.
The problem is that some of those 238 are likely asymptomatic, but can still spread the disease. If all the kids could just take care of themselves, it's not that big a deal, but since most can't, they need adult supervision. Those kids are likely to spread to an adult. As has been mentioned above, schools are having trouble finding enough adults willing to do the job.

I get the idea of just quarantining the most at risk, and let everyone else move on. However, in reality, it's just not that easy to do. That's not to say that everyone should just lock down. I do think schools need to be looking for more creative ways to keep the kids still learning. I think that is the failure in a lot of districts. They made a decision at the beginning of the year, and they are refusing to adjust. There is a huge middle ground between everyone ignoring everything, and everyone locking everything down. From my circle, that's where everyone wants to be. However, the far edges are the ones that screen and complain the most, so many school districts seem to be either lock it down, or take no precautions.

"The problem is that some of those 238 are likely asymptomatic, "

No, they are not likely asymptomatic. What are you basing this on?. In fact, in our school district, none of he kids quarantined ever got sick, and many many of them got tested negative and still were not let back in school.

"Those kids are likely to spread to an adult," What are you basing this on. Data has shown otherwise.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 10:32a, 11/13/20
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AustinAg2K said:
P.U.T.U said:
I think quarantining kids that are not showing any symptoms is a huge failure of the system. For example Wylie East has 18 current cases but 238 have been "exposed". From what I have been told none of the kids have had to go to the hospital since August when the schools opened. Covid has to run its course in order for us to get passed it and remote learning has proven to be a massive failure for our kids education.
The problem is that some of those 238 are likely asymptomatic, but can still spread the disease. If all the kids could just take care of themselves, it's not that big a deal, but since most can't, they need adult supervision. Those kids are likely to spread to an adult. As has been mentioned above, schools are having trouble finding enough adults willing to do the job.

I get the idea of just quarantining the most at risk, and let everyone else move on. However, in reality, it's just not that easy to do. That's not to say that everyone should just lock down. I do think schools need to be looking for more creative ways to keep the kids still learning. I think that is the failure in a lot of districts. They made a decision at the beginning of the year, and they are refusing to adjust. There is a huge middle ground between everyone ignoring everything, and everyone locking everything down. From my circle, that's where everyone wants to be. However, the far edges are the ones that screen and complain the most, so many school districts seem to be either lock it down, or take no precautions.
Part of the issue is that a lot of adults have an irrational fear of the virus. The numbers don't lie. This is not as dangerous as some treat it. It's like having an irrational fear of flying or driving or other things that are very statistically safe but still scare people b/c the chance of something going wrong still exist. The odds of catching Covid are much higher obviously, but the odds of dying or have long term issues afterward are very low. The way the media drives the narrative is a big part of all of this. Read the headlines and you would think this was the Black Plague. Positive cases are not a reason to be scared. Concerned? Sure. But that isn't a reason to overreact either. Reasoned, logical and rational approach to the threat is what we all need to make sure we keep. Some of us are more at risk than others. That has to be taken into account. But our mental health is also very important. To hear that a person's niece is still locked up since March is truly sad and boarders on abuse. Who's life is the mother actually saving? No one's. The mother herself could probably use a bit of time out of the house and neighborhood. That approach is beyond unreasonable. Life is about risks. And the innocent actions we take can have results we do not intend. It's probably true that little decisions we have made in our life have possibly lead to the deaths of other we don't and would never know actually happened. The butterfly effect. And while it makes sense not to be overly loose and nonchalant about spreading the virus, we have to live our lives too and be able to have a productive society through this pandemic.
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In reply to htxag09 • 11:08a, 11/13/20
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amercer said:
Pretty much every college is going to do this. My son's elementary school is going virtual for the week after thanksgiving to try to buy a little time for anyone who might have picked it up over the holiday

Ah, yes. Because if there's one thing I've learned it's that college and elementary school age kids are the exact same, both in terms of covid spread and effectiveness of virtual learning.


it's tragically absurd what we're doing to kids under 10
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11:11a, 11/13/20
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My daughter is currently in quarantine due to tracing(2nd grade) and has tested negative. My 4th grade son walked by her class yesterday and said only 10 people out of 22 were in class. She is currently watching Jessie on Disney because we can't logon to her online activities and the teacher hasn't replied(plus we are both working). She can't return until the Monday after Tgiving and will get nothing from this time away.
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Don't blame the school districts. They're doing everything they can.

Blame individuals for contracting it (going to HH with other teachers) or TRS at the State level for implementing these procedures.
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6:44p, 11/13/20
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So my sister's district cancelled all WFH on Monday. My sister had a doctor's recommendation not to return to campus. On Wednesday, a staff member immediately next to her office, who she frequently interacts with, came to work and passed screening with flying colors about 3 PM he started coughing his a-- off. Tested positive today, and admitted to the hospital shortly thereafter. She is now in quarantine.
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8:48a, 11/18/20
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Heard another report of an outlying dfw area ISD breaking early and making the week after Thanksgiving virtual due to teacher shortages (from contact tracing).
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In reply to McNasty • 9:14a, 11/18/20
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Saw a Twitter post that Allen ISD is dispelling the rumor that they are shutting down after Thanksgiving. They said it's only a rumor. No merit. They said they had about 2% of their staff infected (cummulative since back in school) and less than 1% of students. RISD posted that they are a little higher but less than 3% of staff and just above 1% of students.
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9:18a, 11/18/20
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Barbers Hill ISD in Mont Belvieu has been holding in person class since August and hasn't shut-down. A few weeks ago they quit offering online classes as an unrestricted option. You now have to have certain medical reasons to request online school.
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In reply to McNasty • 9:18a, 11/18/20
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A report or a rumor? If it's a report from someone in the know, can you give us the county or general direction of the district?
If it's a rumor, can you share the name of the district?
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In reply to McNasty • 9:30a, 11/18/20
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Great question. Reports or rumors? I'd hope that whoever is reporting on a report would paste the link to the report. Otherwise people need to consider it nothing but a rumor until proven otherwise.
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10:09a, 11/18/20
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Mineral Wells ISD, where I live and am on school board, is going to go to online classes for 1 week after Thanksgiving break. Primary purpose in doing so is that a large number of teachers are being quarantined due to potential exposure, making it difficult to have enough teachers in classes.

Getting substitutes right now is difficult, not enough to go around.

Everyone needs to realize that the issue with staffing and making sure kids have masks on is to limit the number of teachers out due to contact tracing. Much like the Aggie Football team this week and last, it isn't the number of positive cases that is the inhibiting factor, it is the number out due to quarantine.
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In reply to Benny the Jet Rodriguez • 10:24a, 11/18/20
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duck79 said:
Talking to a dad on my sons baseball team tonight and he is the wrestling coach at a DFW high school. He has a kid that has yet to test positive this year but has been quarantined for 9 of the 15 weeks due to tracing. The kid is so far behind he doesn't think he will pass.
Absurd!
my son is in the corps and has missed 4 weeks of the fall due to "contact tracing". Was never positive. He's a fish though and he brought a buddy home the second time. Didn't faze him at all.

This contact tracing bull**** is completely asinine and has stolen so much from so many kids.


Oh the Ole Miss game was going to be the final march in for the corps this year since LSU is after the students are released. "contact tracing" from TWO football player positives means that game does not happen this Saturday...the corps seniors counting on one last home march in are out of luck.
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11:17a, 11/18/20
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https://www.kxii.com/2020/11/17/whitesboro-isd-extending-thanksgiving-break-moving-online/
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Our county went to Phase 4 of COVID stuff. Our district confirmed that they should drop to 25% in person, but TEA won't let them yet because cases in the district itself don't warrant it. I hope like hell that TEA doesn't change it's mind next week. I think everything is set up for us to close or drastically reduce population until after Christmas.
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We just got the email yesterday that kids would be sent home with devices for thanksgiving. The reason was that, in case they want to do school work over the break, such a BS story. Just be honest with the parents.

I fully expect that my kids will be forced to go virtual, along with the entire district, until after the new year.

This is Carroll ISD, coming soon to a district near you.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 1:04p, 11/19/20
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Yep, we just got that email from our teacher today too about 20 minutes ago. Pflugerville ISD. At this point it sounds like they are just waiting on TEA/Greg Abbott to announce that everyone can go virtual. They are definitely prepared for it on the backend.

Screw this virus.
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We've had one. ONE. 1 effingcase since early September. Our neighborhood would riot if they went virtual. Absolutely asinine.

People only have to quarantine if they were around someone without a mask for 15+ minutes. Not a single teacher has had to quarantine besides one at the beginning of the year because her doctor husband popped positive. She never ended up getting it.
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https://abc13.com/education/hisd-must-return-to-all-virtual-classes-teachers-union-urges/8099949/
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5:09p, 11/19/20
So, my wife is on the PTO board in Southlake, and they were told yesterday that they won't close schools until 30% of the kids are out for Covid. I don't know if that means 30% out with positive cases, or 30% out including those quarantined for close contact. Regardless, even though our numbers have been going up a lot the last month, it seems unlikely right now we'll come close to 30%.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 5:29p, 11/19/20
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ChoppinDs40 said:
Capitol Ag said:
Haven't heard anything at Prosper where I work. We plan, as of now, to be back T plus 4 until Christmas break Dec 21.

Sure hope we don't see schools go back to at home. There is no need.
big surge in PISD in the last 2 weeks. One Elementary has 14 teachers out.

1 tested positive the day after 10 of them were at a HH together.

Contact tracing is what's killing the schools right now.
Agree. Which is why they went to loosening the rules a bit regarding quarantining. Still, if there still is quarantining, there is still a major road block to being able to properly educate these kids. Online education just doesn't work. These kids need to stay in school if at all possible, even at the risk of health to others if we value the education that they should receive and the mental health of the children. Just my opinion.


My wife, a teacher, has missed 3 weeks, and my kids, 2 weeks, due to 2 separate contact tracing incidents.

Both of the positive cases, with symptoms that they were traced to got to go back to school before my wife and kids who had 0 symptoms. Even if they had a negative test they couldn't come back.

This is why I never wanted contact tracing. I want safety and to be wise and care for others but it's screwed my family up pretty badly.
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I learned last night that out of our high school, 22 currently have covid including 14 teachers. By my count, the high school teachers and staff is 27. I was also told two of those who are hospitalized is a husband and wife who are teachers.

My understanding is that school will not resume until November 30 at the earliest. I don't know if they are currently doing much in the way of remote schooling.

There was also a news article today about over in Sunray, the students are already out for Thanksgiving break and will not return until November 30.
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