Pfizer Applies for Emergency F.D.A. Approval for Covid-19 Vaccine

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

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Regulators at the F.D.A. plan to take about three weeks to review Pfizer's vaccine before an outside panel of experts meets to review the application the second week of December. That meeting has been scheduled for Dec. 10.

are you f-ing kidding me?
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Unnecessary death thanks to the FDA red tape when we all know the rubber stamp will still come out in 3 weeks.
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they certainly aren't treating this like a war
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I think this is going to get into some hospitals before it's FDA stamped.
KlinkerAg11
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Is there any good reason why it takes so long?
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Why so long?

WTH man. FDA is just horrible. It needs to be completely cleaned out. The data is the data they don't need weeks to review good grief.
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because these people aren't serious.

they ought to be sleeping in shifts lighting cigarettes one off the other
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Work as hard as the vaccine makers did.
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Kinda feels like they built a formula one car out of soda cans and bike tires all in a week, got it to the race track, and now have to use rubber bands to drive it instead of gas...
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Don't you just love the smell of bureaucracy?
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It sounds like this isn't unexpected. In the recent weeks they have been saying they'll have a vaccine by the end of the year and that can still happen. The vaccine will likely be shipped in advance and await official FDA approval and be ready to inject into arms possibly the very next day.

Plus what at they supposed to do, rubber stamp the approval? The is a large percentage of the population that is leery of these vaccines. It seems prudent to demonstrate that proper protocols are being followed so these steps shouldn't be eliminated. I do agree that they need to work 12 to 16 hour days, 6 days a week to get this out to the public as soon as possible.
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The FDA is going to work weekends and holidays to get this done. A normal submission would take about 6 months.
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ooh weekends and holidays

doing the work

give me a break. we all work weekends and holidays on deadline.
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Would you like them to make sure it's safe or not? The whole effort is worthless if no one has faith in the vaccine, and it could cost hundreds of thousands of lives if something goes wrong and it feeds general anti vax sentiments.

There are 100,000 pages of technical documents to review and the FDA has to redo every calculation in the application to make sure the math is right.

This isn't one guy eating a donut and procrastinating putting a stamp on one form.
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Maybe cone is just a fan of kids with flippers for appendages.
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so they're going to find thalidomide potential in the data dump at the 11th hour?

that doesn't sound good

to be honest, this all feels calibrated. like the work is largely done and reviewed but they need to show a due diligence period to address public confidence

no one is reviewing 100k pages of data in 3 weeks from a standing start.

given that suspicion I guess it is what it is. price of confidence. once they leaked efficacy numbers in the >90s there was no way this wasn't receiving EUA.
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Oddly he's been skeptical of the new technology involved and the long term safety.

I understand the urgency that everyone feels though.
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I work with a lot of QA people. I assure you every page will get read.

That doesn't guarantee that nothing will go wrong, but they will do their job.
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i was skeptical

but I'm not anymore

thanks for helping me to better understand
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I think my point is that most of the pages have already been read. It would be grossly irresponsible if they weren't. They could probably even abridge the approval timeline at some cost in public confidence. So it's calibrated. At least that's how it feels to me. But you're closer to the pharma system and government than I am.
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I do hope it's a forgone conclusion and certainly the preliminary results looks great. But there is too much on the line for the FDA to **** this up.
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https://peterattiamd.com/pauloffit/

worth the listen of someone close to the process

he points out that for all other vaccines in wide use, their important safety issues were identified within the first two months.
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And I think about O-Rings.
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https://www.ft.com/content/ebd9ca50-c2d7-4b0e-afd5-e90e93c0c495

guess the brits are just not as careful as we are
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amercer said:

I work with a lot of QA people. I assure you every page will get read.

That doesn't guarantee that nothing will go wrong, but they will do their job.


My dad was QA for Johnson and Johnson for 20+ years. It's not a flawless process but after the Tylenol murders, they take it really seriously.
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Do regulatory people in the UK read faster than our people? They've already approved it.
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Do regulatory people in the UK read faster than our people? They've already approved it.
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Greenlander said:

Do regulatory people in the UK read faster than our people? They've already approved it.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-pfizer-covid-vaccine-20201202-chfqzeawtbcbhlgmxydx2uz4ma-story.html

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The two countries vet vaccines differently.

Rather than accepting the findings of vaccine makers, U.S. regulators painstakingly reanalyze raw data from the trials to validate the results, poring over what regulators have described as thousands of pages of documents. Dr. Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, called the United States an outlier when it comes to the rigor of its vaccine reviews, saying on Tuesday that the FDA "is one of the few regulatory agencies in the world that actually looks at the raw data."

Regulators in Britain and elsewhere in Europe lean more heavily on companies' own analyses. Instead of sifting through raw trial data and crunching the numbers themselves, regulatory agencies often will study a drugmaker's reports and, unless there are anomalies, ground their decisions in company-provided documents.

Still, scientists and industry experts said the British regulators maintained high standards, often acting as a bellwether for other countries' rulings. The regulators themselves said on Wednesday that experts had "unprecedented access" to raw trial data; tested vaccines for quality, batch by batch; and read more than 1,000 pages of documentation.

American and British regulators also have different ways of soliciting outside views.
The FDA consults an independent panel of experts before it decides. In the case of Pfizer's vaccine, that panel will meet on Dec. 10. British regulators seek opinions from a specialist committee, too, but that group has the flexibility to review data and meet as it needs to, allowing it to move more quickly. In all, the committee met for more than 40 hours about the Pfizer vaccine, its chair said on Wednesday.

Like American regulators, their British counterparts have been reviewing vaccine data as it arrived. And different teams worked in parallel, rather than waiting for other parts of the review to finish.

"If you're climbing a mountain, you prepare and prepare," Dr. June Raine, the chief executive of Britain's Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, said on Wednesday. "We started that in June."
When early results arrived on Nov. 10, she said, "We were at base camp." And later, she said, "When we got the final analysis, we were ready for that last sprint."
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American and British regulators also have different ways of soliciting outside views.

The FDA consults an independent panel of experts before it decides. In the case of Pfizer's vaccine, that panel will meet on Dec. 10. British regulators seek opinions from a specialist committee, too, but that group has the flexibility to review data and meet as it needs to, allowing it to move more quickly. In all, the committee met for more than 40 hours about the Pfizer vaccine, its chair said on Wednesday.

It's cool guys, take your time. It's not like this is the biggest American crisis in the last 2 decades or anything
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AgsMyDude said:

Greenlander said:

Do regulatory people in the UK read faster than our people? They've already approved it.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-pfizer-covid-vaccine-20201202-chfqzeawtbcbhlgmxydx2uz4ma-story.html

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The two countries vet vaccines differently.

Rather than accepting the findings of vaccine makers, U.S. regulators painstakingly reanalyze raw data from the trials to validate the results, poring over what regulators have described as thousands of pages of documents. Dr. Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, called the United States an outlier when it comes to the rigor of its vaccine reviews, saying on Tuesday that the FDA "is one of the few regulatory agencies in the world that actually looks at the raw data."

Regulators in Britain and elsewhere in Europe lean more heavily on companies' own analyses. Instead of sifting through raw trial data and crunching the numbers themselves, regulatory agencies often will study a drugmaker's reports and, unless there are anomalies, ground their decisions in company-provided documents.

Still, scientists and industry experts said the British regulators maintained high standards, often acting as a bellwether for other countries' rulings. The regulators themselves said on Wednesday that experts had "unprecedented access" to raw trial data; tested vaccines for quality, batch by batch; and read more than 1,000 pages of documentation.

American and British regulators also have different ways of soliciting outside views.
The FDA consults an independent panel of experts before it decides. In the case of Pfizer's vaccine, that panel will meet on Dec. 10. British regulators seek opinions from a specialist committee, too, but that group has the flexibility to review data and meet as it needs to, allowing it to move more quickly. In all, the committee met for more than 40 hours about the Pfizer vaccine, its chair said on Wednesday.

Like American regulators, their British counterparts have been reviewing vaccine data as it arrived. And different teams worked in parallel, rather than waiting for other parts of the review to finish.

"If you're climbing a mountain, you prepare and prepare," Dr. June Raine, the chief executive of Britain's Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, said on Wednesday. "We started that in June."
When early results arrived on Nov. 10, she said, "We were at base camp." And later, she said, "When we got the final analysis, we were ready for that last sprint."



Perfect article. Thanks!
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ramblin_ag02 said:

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American and British regulators also have different ways of soliciting outside views.

The FDA consults an independent panel of experts before it decides. In the case of Pfizer's vaccine, that panel will meet on Dec. 10. British regulators seek opinions from a specialist committee, too, but that group has the flexibility to review data and meet as it needs to, allowing it to move more quickly. In all, the committee met for more than 40 hours about the Pfizer vaccine, its chair said on Wednesday.

It's cool guys, take your time. It's not like this is the biggest American crisis in the last 2 decades or anything


These are my sentiments. I smell some of public confidence building here. 'See here, we took our time. We were careful in exercising our regulatory duties against those somewhat untrustworthy pharmaceutical companies. '
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it's pretty clear to me it's calibrated for public consumption

they didn't get the data dump the day of the application. they've been likely checking in parallel for months.
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