People in my hometown, where cases have surged recently, are having a big benefit/fundraiser concert at a bar. The beneficiary of this event is someone who literally almost died recently, from covid.

Just don't go if you are concerned??

Let me guess...East Texas?

I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

Everything you just mentioned are things that only affect yourself... unless of course you hop in a car.

DUI is illegal because you put others at risk with you.

You shouldn't understand

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Everything you just mentioned are things that only affect yourself... unless of course you hop in a car.

DUI is illegal because you put others at risk with you.

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Yep and if you decide not to lockdown then you are only affecting yourself and others who decided not to lockdown.

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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"Covid deniers hurt others".

1) No one here is denying covid.
2) Beliefs don't hurt others

But actions, or lack there of do. Facts.

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But actions, or lack there of do. Facts.

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So what you said is false. If you're worried you're more than welcome to stay home. If you go out, you're hUrtInG OthErs!!!!!!!

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Why didn't we ban sex when HIV was spreading? That was the primary means of transmission for a disease more deadly than COVID. Its not that hard to understand.

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Everything you just mentioned are things that only affect yourself... unless of course you hop in a car.

DUI is illegal because you put others at risk with you.

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Are fat and unhealthy people accountable for children's mental health? I mean...this whole shutdown is all about protecting them right....sacrificing children's education and mental health? Their poor health / lifestyle is effecting millions of kids.

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Everything you just mentioned are things that only affect yourself... unless of course you hop in a car.

DUI is illegal because you put others at risk with you.

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The CDC estimates that 41,000 people each year die from second hand smoke.

That's the equivalent number of deaths to a Covid outbreak every 7 years...

The CDC also estimates that between 150,000 and 300,000 respiratory infections in children are caused by second hand smoke each year, resulting in 7,500 to 15.000 hospitalizations of children under 18 months. For this age group, second hand smoke is far worse than Covid.

Studies have shown that alcohol abuse is the key contributor to over 55% of cases of domestic violence. Almost 1 in 5 women have claimed to have suffered from domestic violence in the United States. Studies have also shown that alcohol has been a key contributor to increasing events of date rape across college campuses.

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People in my hometown, where cases have surged recently, are having a big benefit/fundraiser concert at a bar. The beneficiary of this event is someone who literally almost died recently, from covid.

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Well... I guess the beneficiary is immune now.

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Really don't like this take. You are insinuating that the COVID deniers are being selfish. Who is more selfish? The person with high risk behaviors who hurts themselves? Or the person who wants to shut everyone else's world down to make themself feel more comfortable?

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Well, he has a very good point. Honestly, if you were in absolutely ridiculous, ready for high level sports competition or a body building show, and I mean high level, do you not think your chances would be much greater at surviving everything that could happen whether its getting out of one of the twin towers on 9/11 to surviving a virus? And I get that I am using an extreme but I do it to make a point. Point is, it is pretty evident that being is great health enhances ones chances for survival if you get Covid or anything for that matter. Very few statistically die from this so don't become a victim of overstatement or overemphasis of the risk of death. But that only counts if one limits comorbidities. Most comorbidities can be avoided, people just choose not to do it. And I get it is not easy, but if this was an event with Strongman competitors, body builders, power lifters, triathletes and sport athletes, doubt anyone would die if there was at all an outbreak. Again, of the gyms that are open, there has been only one incident of an outbreak and it was a closed room cycle class where the participants were close together in a circle. Not one major super spreader event has been attributed to a weight room, and there have been no muscle mass/strength athletes (power lifters, strong man and bodybuilders) that have died from covid nor have had any lasting long term effects. I am in the industry and I would have heard it if it happened. There are even theories being studied that muscle cells are used to store the building materials for T-Cells and there is no doubt with overwhelming evidence that athletes and athletic people have better immune systems. So yes, he has a very good point. As a professional in the health and "fitness" industry, I see it every day.

For the record, I would never ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol (tried that one and it was an abysmal failure), as I am one who prefers to have a little sugar every once in a while and as a strength coach, focus on healthy eating with the reward of a cheat meal really produces a great incentive to eat well all week when you can be rewarded with whatever you want for a couple of hours on a Saturday night or whenever.

Not a "Covid Denier" as it is very real, but I am tired of the folks who deny that high level health isn't very important to astronomically increase your chances of surviving almost anything. Why in the hell are gyms not essential??? They are absolutely essential and should open immediately in states that live in the dark ages and keep them closed. We do have a responsibility to be in great physical health. I will quote the great Mark Rippetoe, "Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general." If you are over 50, get strong first. Pilates is useless except to pay too much to do ab exercises, yoga is a recovery day activity, not real training and HIIT classes are fine for conditioning but strength is what build immunity and makes one almost unkillable. That's my professional opinion, so take it for what its worth but open the damn gyms and stop eating like a 4 year old...

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Everything you just mentioned are things that only affect yourself... unless of course you hop in a car.

DUI is illegal because you put others at risk with you.

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We live in a tightly integrated society. Very few, if any, "self-harm" activities only affect the individual.

Even societal problems associated with poor diet and exercise affect society at large and have a significant cost and strain on heath care system. Those resources could be used elsewhere for problems that aren't preventable.

Flu, pneumonia, simply getting behind the wheel of a car, etc., all things that can hurt others.

You can't live in a free republic if you eliminated and/or ban all behaviors that might hurt another person. You shouldn't intentionally/knowingly hurt someone else. But beyond that, that's where our obligations end in a free republic.

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But actions, or lack there of do. Facts.

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Never in the history of mankind(at least in this country) have we reacted this way. To quarantine/limit the young and healthy and their behaviors.

And yet humanity has lived through much worse, and even prospered/became stronger due to it. Your line of thinking sets a dangerous precedent moving forward, as you can come up with all kinds of behaviors that affect others to ban or limit. Like it or not, in this country, people still believe in freedom of choice. And they have every right to do just that.

These same coronabro posters above have been selling this egocentric view since the beginning. They have been shot down over and over again on their position as they are reminded again by several above. They run away and ignore it, they show up again spouting the same nonsense again.

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Really don't like this take. You are insinuating that the COVID deniers are being selfish. Who is more selfish? The person with high risk behaviors who hurts themselves? Or the person who wants to shut everyone else's world down to make themself feel more comfortable?

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100%. Sorry, but there are 330 million people in America. As harsh as it sounds, I'd argue that about 325+ million of them would have been better off having never heard of covid and just believing it was a bad "flu" season. Most of us wouldn't have known the difference.

No media fear, no publicity, etc. America as a whole would have been better off. Someone will call me selfish or a murderer for that take. I'm beyond giving a s*** anymore. Look, I get that this is unrealistic. It was bound to get out somehow, and obviously some mitigation / at the very least, general knowledge of the disease for the public was necessary.

I consider those that impose their beliefs on how others should behave as far more selfish than those that choose to take that information and act as they see fit for their life. Do and act as you see fit. Stop telling others to behave a certain way to protect you.

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These same coronabro posters above have been selling this egocentric view since the beginning. They have been shot down over and over again on their position as they are reminded again by several above. They run away and ignore it, they show up again spouting the same nonsense again.

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Yup. And I doubt that they read most responses. They have their minds made up already and only come on when they are ready for their drive by take while calling others names like "a hole" (no point for this at all-grow up if calling people names is the best you got) while being overly emotional and sensitive when they could just be respectful and try to have a conversation. Maybe they would change their perspective. Maybe not. But understanding why others feel a certain way can go a long way to at least opening one's mind even if they do not agree with them.

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People in my hometown, where cases have surged recently, are having a big benefit/fundraiser concert at a bar. The beneficiary of this event is someone who literally almost died recently, from covid.

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And for the record, I have no problem with this. Socializing is a vital necessity for human health. It is a trade off. Yes, there is a risk. But to me, it's worth that risk. To those in attendance it is obviously worth it too. Try to understand them and not judge them. Things aren't that clear cut as you are making it out to be. Have some grace about it and it's fine to say that the action isn't for you, but understand that not everyone feels that way and there are very good reasons why.

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Really don't like this take. You are insinuating that the COVID deniers are being selfish. Who is more selfish? The person with high risk behaviors who hurts themselves? Or the person who wants to shut everyone else's world down to make themself feel more comfortable?

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100%. Sorry, but there are 330 million people in America. As harsh as it sounds, I'd argue that about 325+ million of them would have been better off having never heard of covid and just believing it was a bad "flu" season. Most of us wouldn't have known the difference.

No media fear, no publicity, etc. America as a whole would have been better off. Someone will call me selfish or a murderer for that take. I'm beyond giving a s*** anymore. Look, I get that this is unrealistic. It was bound to get out somehow, and obviously some mitigation / at the very least, general knowledge of the disease for the public was necessary.

I consider those that impose their beliefs on how others should behave as far more selfish than those that choose to take that information and act as they see fit for their life. Do and act as you see fit. Stop telling others to behave a certain way to protect you.

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I could not agree more. I really feel like, if not for crazy media attention, this thing would not have been anywhere near as blown up as it has been.

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I dont understand why fat people keep eating, smokers keep smoking and drinkers keep drinking. If it were up to me I would ban sugar, cigarettes and alcohol to protect everyone's health. But others have decided that dangerous, self destructive behaviors are allowed. And many are pushing to legalize drugs in the US.

Let's at least be consistent here. If we are going to stop all risky behaviors, we have a lot of work to do.

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Can we ban *******s while we are at it? People with high risk behaviors hurt only themselves. COVID deniers hurt others. It's not that hard to understand.

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Really don't like this take. You are insinuating that the COVID deniers are being selfish. Who is more selfish? The person with high risk behaviors who hurts themselves? Or the person who wants to shut everyone else's world down to make themself feel more comfortable?

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100%. Sorry, but there are 330 million people in America. As harsh as it sounds, I'd argue that about 325+ million of them would have been better off having never heard of covid and just believing it was a bad "flu" season. Most of us wouldn't have known the difference.

No media fear, no publicity, etc. America as a whole would have been better off. Someone will call me selfish or a murderer for that take. I'm beyond giving a s*** anymore. Look, I get that this is unrealistic. It was bound to get out somehow, and obviously some mitigation / at the very least, general knowledge of the disease for the public was necessary.

I consider those that impose their beliefs on how others should behave as far more selfish than those that choose to take that information and act as they see fit for their life. Do and act as you see fit. Stop telling others to behave a certain way to protect you.

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I could not agree more. I really feel like, if not for crazy media attention, this thing would not have been anywhere near as blown up as it has been.

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Can you point to a time in recent memory where hospitals and ICUs were pretty much at max capacity? Whether you like to believe it or not, the threat is real. And it's real for people who need to go to the hospital that don't have covid but there is no room for their emergencies. I just can't understand the deniers here. It's super bizarre.