TXTransplant said:

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I thought the vaccine trials were supposed to be blind. How did he know he got the vaccine and not a placebo?

That article also says he had been monitored for 25 months after receiving the injection. That can't possibly be correct.

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Read before you post. It never said whether he received the vaccine or the placebo, just that he participated in the study. It's pretty clear it was probably the placebo. It also said that he was to be monitored for 25 months, not that he was monitored 25 months.

I DID read before I posted. How do you think I knew about the 25 months. And my bad, I did read that wrong.

My first comment about the placebo vs vaccine was directed at the OP's post, which says he "died with the vaccine." The article clearly does not say that.

And I think the article is irresponsibly/poorly written because the fact that he volunteered for the vaccine shouldn't even be relevant to a story about his death, unless the author of the article wants to incite baseless, illogical fear in the people who read it. Or, if you want to include the detail about the trial, at least be responsible and explicitly state that it isn't known if he received a live vaccine or not, and even if he did receive an active vaccine, that is NOT the same as having the virus and should not have contributed to his death.

Articles and threads like this only serve to further miseducate people about how vaccines actually work.

TXTransplant said:

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Articles and threads like this only serve to further miseducate people about how vaccines actually work.

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The same can said for commenting before fully comprehending. Unfortunately, it's a fairly common tool that used is around here to perpetuate a particular point of view. It'd be nice if you couldn't discern someone's bias prior to reading an article.

Marauder Blue 6 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Articles and threads like this only serve to further miseducate people about how vaccines actually work.

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The same can said for commenting before fully comprehending.

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My comment about the number of days isn't even remotely equivalent to the OP stating that this guy "died with the vaccine". And I didn't perpetuate any false or misleading information about vaccines in my comment.

I simply read how long he was supposed to be monitored wrong and suggested that called the entire article into question. There are plenty of other reasons besides that one to question the intent of this article.

I apologize for not being more clear. I should've clarified that my comment was based on the OP, not your subsequent comments. See my edit above.

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TXTransplant said:

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Articles and threads like this only serve to further miseducate people about how vaccines actually work.

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The same can said for commenting before fully comprehending. Unfortunately, it's a fairly common tool that used is around here to perpetuate a particular point of view. It'd be nice if you couldn't discern someone's bias prior to reading an article.

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Oh, my bad! We are in agreement about the OP! Sorry!

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KidDoc said:

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Wow a 70 year old obese man died from a heart attack? That never happens.

Plus he got the vaccine 8/31.

Interesting man though he had a good life, RIP.

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Same thing I've been saying about most "Covid deaths". Nice people who were already really old and really sick. Like the vaccine here, Covid wasn't responsible for their deaths.

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That's not remotely the same thing.

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Um, yes it sorta is.

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No. That's ridiculous.

I get it, you don't care at all about older people with comorbitities dying, but a lot of these people are only dying because they caught COVID (see excess deaths and hospitilizations of COVID cases among other things). Many more people are dying right now than normal. This guy literally just died from a heart attack which had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine. Even implying that these are equivalent requires some serious cognitive dissonance. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

1 out of every 576 New Jersey residents has died from COVID-19. That has nothing to do with how many have contracted it or not. Do you think that's just normal... The same as a guy just dying from a heart attack?

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You do nothing to prove causality. You have no idea exactly how many excess deaths were caused by Covid. You assume they all are. I have personally seen seniors die from lack of nursing care because families are not allowed to check on them. I know people who have died from overdoses and suicide as a result of fear-induced isolation orders. Those are excess deaths. In the absence of Covid restrictions there is a good chance they would still be with us. Applying your logic to vaccinations, we should assume vaccinated persons who die are "vaccine victims". It is piss poor science and logic, but so is the assumption that all the 85 plus year old persons who "died with Covid" actually died "from Covid". Causation matters.