They mean it. The hospital I work at admitted a COVID-19 positive patient yesterday who had been fully vaccinated for almost a month. She's doing fine, admitted to med/surg floor, and does not need supplemental O2. In all honesty, she probably didn't really need to be admitted but since she was 65 yo, and had some comorbidities (obese, CHF), they admitted her for a remdezivir infusion.

I would imagine the vaccine helped since it wouldn't be ridiculous to speculate she would probably be in the ICU or the morgue without it.

It is a vaccine. But, like all vaccines, it's not 100% effective.

95% means that if you randomly picked 100 vaccinated people and exposed them to the virus, 5 of them would get COVID. I guess she was one of the 5.

AggieUSMC said:

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It is a vaccine. But, like all vaccines, it's not 100% effective.

95% means that if you randomly picked 100 vaccinated people and exposed them to the virus, 5 of them would get COVID. I guess she was one of the 5.

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But, that's with testing everyone, near all would be asymptomatic. She's more part of the fraction of 1%.

It's a vaccine, that's why everyone in medical community calls it a vaccine.

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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What?

Not one definition of the word states that it contains a virus or modified virus. Try again...

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84AGEC said:

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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Really? If not a vaccine, what exactly is it?

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Yes, please provide us the peer reviewed Facebook post from your aunt.

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84AGEC said:

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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Really? If not a vaccine, what exactly is it?

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Maybe just a radom shot in the arm that provides slot of protection from a virus?

Weird statement by this guy.

AggieUSMC said:

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I would imagine the vaccine helped since it wouldn't be ridiculous to speculate she would probably be in the ICU or the morgue without it.

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It's been 100% effective at preventing death and you proved that it worked for this individual with this sentence.

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bay fan said:

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84AGEC said:

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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Really? If not a vaccine, what exactly is it?

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Maybe just a radom shot in the arm that provides slot of protection from a virus?

Weird statement by this guy.

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It is a pretty common bit of misinformation that is being echoed by a certain demographic.
As an example.

https://www.vaccinesandchristianity.org/2021/03/06/the-covid-vaccine-death-toll-continues-to-rise-use-this-to-warn-others/

Will take you to this "article"

https://www.myhopeforlyme.com/what-do-we-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccines/

One of the f16 regulars posted thisvery similar "article" a week or two ago

https://1791times.com/Main/2021/03/05/theyre-lying-to-you-covid-19-mrna-shots-are-legally-not-vaccines/

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Rubble said:

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bay fan said:

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84AGEC said:

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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Really? If not a vaccine, what exactly is it?

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Maybe just a radom shot in the arm that provides slot of protection from a virus?

Weird statement by this guy.

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It is a pretty common bit of misinformation that is being echoed by a certain demographic.

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I guess "****ing morons" is a demographic now

I will neither agree not disagree with your assessment to avoid a ban

If being mean to antivaxxers is wrong, I don't want to be right

I got the first dose of the Pfizer injection, that shall remain a simple injection of a substance to prevent me from dying from a cause due to a virus that there is no vaccine for because we don't have injections that have a live or otherwise virus in them due to some people's inability to read a dictionary, today.

For real though, my arm hurts, but I feel great. Denton County has this process down to an art!

At the very least a vaccine should keep you alive. Sounds like it's working.

Still there will be some people who just don't mount a good immune response to a vaccine. No one who got the vaccine of the tens of thousands of people in the clinical trials was even admitted to a hospital, much less died. But when you go from tens of thousands to hundreds of millions, all sorts of rare things will pop up.

Israel says that the vaccine has reduced hospitalization and death by 97% in fully vaccinated people in their country.

That means it is still possible to be hospitalized by Covid or even die from it after being fully vaccinated.

That also means that the vaccine works really well. I am glad that I got it.

That's Another great example of the misinformation this demographic keeps echoing.

You are the reason the rest of us get calls about car warranties

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95% means that if you randomly picked 100 vaccinated people and exposed them to the virus, 5 of them would get COVID. I guess she was one of the 5.

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I'm pretty sure this is not correct. The 95% means, that if you took 100 vaccinated people and exposed them to the virus, you would get 95% less cases than if you exposed 100 unvaccinated people to the virus. Not all 100 people are going to get the virus if exposed if they aren't vaccinated.

For example, lets say you expose 100 unvaccinated people to the virus then 20 of those people got sick. If you exposed 100 vaccinated people, you'd end up with with 1 person getting sick (5% of the 20 who got sick).

Anti-vaxxing is one of the places where the radical right meets the radical left. Fascinating irony.

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You are the reason the rest of us get calls about car warranties

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What did he say in his video that you believe is false?

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Just the url is enough. mRNA does not edit your genes. It translates DNA into proteins via the ribosomes. The whole purpose of mRNA in these vaccines is to .get your cells to make something that your cells don't have the DNA to create.

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Rubble said:

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bay fan said:

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84AGEC said:

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It's not a vaccine. It does not contain a modified/killed virus. It always said it lessens the severity of the Covid.

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Really? If not a vaccine, what exactly is it?

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Maybe just a radom shot in the arm that provides slot of protection from a virus?

Weird statement by this guy.

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It is a pretty common bit of misinformation that is being echoed by a certain demographic.

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I guess "****ing morons" is a demographic now

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Dude, that has been a demographic for a long, long time.

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What did he say in his video that you believe is false?

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Dr. Hotze states the following

"This so-called COVID-19 vaccine does not provide any individual who receives the vaccine with immunity to COVID-19. Nor does it prevent the spread of the disease."

This is demonstrably false. The vaccine does in fact provide immunity to Covid-19. How long is unclear right now. As far as spreading the disease, thats still not known for sure although early indications are that is prevents a person from spreading the disease. Because it wasn't a focus of the initial trials, we can reliably make a statement one way or the other.

He then says this
"These 'vaccines,' which are manufactured using cells derived from human babies that were aborted in the 1970s, should more accurately be called an experimental gene therapy. They are an untested, unproven experimental gene therapy that poses a much greater danger to your health than COVID-19 itself."

Again this is false. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines do not contain cells derived from elective abortions nor are they used to manufacture the vaccines. You can read more about the process HERE



Now lets take a look at the second link:
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you can find the source of that article which links back to none other than INFOWARS. When you are taking the side of Alex Jones, maybe its time to rethink where you stand.


Finally lets look at Dr. Steven Hotze M.D.

His Liberty Center for God and Country has pushed the idea that the vaccines
"inject experimental nano bots and chemi-kills into our bodies to alter our DNA using Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology to turn us into zombie-like, controlled masses and weapons of war."

He promotes the use of colloidal silver as a cure all

Would it surprise you to learn that he has been slinging his own proprietary blend of vitamins and supplements to combat Covid-19? He has a vested interest in discouraging people from taking the vaccines and buying his products instead.

Hes been warned by the FDA that his product have no basis to claim they treat Covid-19
warning letter

And those other vitamin supplements he sells? They reportedly contain large amounts of lead. He's been sued by a nonprofit as a result.


So yeah there are plenty of reasons to believe this guy is full of *****

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JBenn06 said:

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What did he say in his video that you believe is false?

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Dr. Hotze states the following

"This so-called COVID-19 vaccine does not provide any individual who receives the vaccine with immunity to COVID-19. Nor does it prevent the spread of the disease."

This is demonstrably false. The vaccine does in fact provide immunity to Covid-19. How long is unclear right now. As far as spreading the disease, thats still not known for sure although early indications are that is prevents a person from spreading the disease. Because it wasn't a focus of the initial trials, we can reliably make a statement one way or the other.

He then says this
"These 'vaccines,' which are manufactured using cells derived from human babies that were aborted in the 1970s, should more accurately be called an experimental gene therapy. They are an untested, unproven experimental gene therapy that poses a much greater danger to your health than COVID-19 itself."

Again this is false. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines do not contain cells derived from elective abortions nor are they used to manufacture the vaccines. You can read more about the process HERE



Now lets take a look at the second link:
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you can find the source of that article which links back to none other than INFOWARS. When you are taking the side of Alex Jones, maybe its time to rethink where you stand.


Finally lets look at Dr. Steven Hotze M.D.

His Liberty Center for God and Country has pushed the idea that the vaccines
"inject experimental nano bots and chemi-kills into our bodies to alter our DNA using Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology to turn us into zombie-like, controlled masses and weapons of war."

He promotes the use of colloidal silver as a cure all

Would it surprise you to learn that he has been slinging his own proprietary blend of vitamins and supplements to combat Covid-19? He has a vested interest in discouraging people from taking the vaccines and buying his products instead.

Hes been warned by the FDA that his product have no basis to claim they treat Covid-19
warning letter

And those other vitamin supplements he sells? They reportedly contain large amounts of lead. He's been sued by a nonprofit as a result.


So yeah there are plenty of reasons to believe this guy is full of *****

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What's sad is people actually believe this crap.

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If being mean to antivaxxers is wrong, I don't want to be right

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In my experience, most antivaxxers are actually ex-vaxxers. How about we listen to their stories instead of being a jerk.

I am more intrigued by the ones spreading this misinformation. This guy knows he is spreading BS and he has zero qualms about doing it.

I have no I'll feelings towards the guys pushing HCQ, Ivermectin, etc because there is enough uncertainty about the virus, the disease, legitimate treatments. Hell I wish they had been 100% right all along

But these people, I just can't understand how they look in the mirror or their kids haven't written them out of their lives.