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Fully vaccinated question: why do we still have to wear masks?
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I actually know multiple people who have chosen not to get the vaccine "because it's unproven" who also believe that others should wear masks because "the virus is still around." I don't get it.
cone said:
because it's polite
Easily manipulated aren't you.....
I like my paycheck. Otherwise, I'm pretty much done.
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Because they don't want non vaccinated people running around without masks. This has zero to do with science.
people fully vaccinated wear masks outside
people who aren't getting vaccinated don't wear masks indoors
we have a terrific public health system and it's done an amazing job
people who aren't getting vaccinated don't wear masks indoors
we have a terrific public health system and it's done an amazing job
There is ZERO peer reviewed research showing any significant transmission between vaccinated people and non vaccinated people. We also don't wear them for other diseases with vaccines less effective than the COVID. Whooping cough comes to mind.
I try and avoid my mask outside, but as a youth coach I unfortunately have to follow league rules. Nothing worse than coaching 5 hours on a sunny Saturday while being fully vaccinated and dealing with that piece of crap mask. OK, maybe some things worse, but I still hate it.
Vaccines are available to anyone over the age of 16. Anyone under 50, sans the truly unhealthiest 1-2% of the population, shouldn't be worried about covid and the most worried should already have the vaccine if they want it.
There shouldn't be any more restrictions anywhere, and this includes masks. There shouldn't be any more rules anywhere(I respect private businesses, but if they were thinking logically). There shouldn't be any more shaming of people who don't want to go along with your rules anywhere. There shouldn't be any vaccinations of anyone under the age of 16, and some might argue 30 seeing how the risk of the vaccine is about the same as the damn benefit of the vaccine versus no vaccine.
5....4....3.....2.....1......until this post gets nuked.beerad12man said:
Vaccines are available to anyone over the age of 16. Anyone under 50, sans the truly unhealthiest 1-2% of the population, shouldn't be worried about covid and the most worried should already have the vaccine if they want it.
There shouldn't be any more restrictions anywhere, and this includes masks. There shouldn't be any more rules anywhere(I respect private businesses, but if they were thinking logically). There shouldn't be any more shaming of people who don't want to go along with your rules anywhere. There shouldn't be any vaccinations of anyone under the age of 16, and some might argue 30 seeing how the risk of the vaccine is about the same as the damn benefit of the vaccine versus no vaccine.
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
Lucky you haven't contracted haliturbercumeningitis.wbt5845 said:I haven't washed my mask since I bought it last March.third coast.. said:
reuse the same one for days...
Pinche Abogado said:
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
The vaccine part is just idiotic. I'm healthy. I don't like being sick. I know many healthy people that got Covid and were miserable. The shot is very smart way to avoid that.
Completely agree on masks.
I'm quite healthy, and got the vaccine. Got to see my 96 year old dad in assisted living as a result. You were saying?Pinche Abogado said:
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
This year has been fun watching all the poultry science and liberal arts majors become experts in infectious disease science.
I tend to listen to my MD buddies and those on this board, most of whom are vaccinated and preaching that risk of a vaccinated person spreading the virus is low enough where masks are no longer a reasonable precautionary measure. I personally think masks contributed to my LPR (voice issues) due to speaking louder, so I'm vaccinated and taking mine off.
I tend to listen to my MD buddies and those on this board, most of whom are vaccinated and preaching that risk of a vaccinated person spreading the virus is low enough where masks are no longer a reasonable precautionary measure. I personally think masks contributed to my LPR (voice issues) due to speaking louder, so I'm vaccinated and taking mine off.
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I'm healthy, got Covid, and barely even knew it. Should I get a shot to avoid a repeat runny nose? Works both ways.ORAggieFan said:Pinche Abogado said:
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
The vaccine part is just idiotic. I'm healthy. I don't like being sick. I know many healthy people that got Covid and were miserable. The shot is very smart way to avoid that.
Completely agree on masks.
I'd get it if I were you. But, the need for you to get it is much smaller than many others. If it was a runny nose, why'd you get tested? You and many others being mildly affected does not change the fact that many healthy people have been pretty sick and many healthy people would prefer avoiding it. Most I've talked to said they couldn't do much physically for at least 14 days and didn't feel right for another 14 days. A shot to eliminate that risk, I'll take that all day.Bassmaster said:I'm healthy, got Covid, and barely even knew it. Should I get a shot to avoid a repeat runny nose? Works both ways.ORAggieFan said:Pinche Abogado said:
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
The vaccine part is just idiotic. I'm healthy. I don't like being sick. I know many healthy people that got Covid and were miserable. The shot is very smart way to avoid that.
Completely agree on masks.
There's been absolutely zero transparency since the beginning, and that has been the most frustrating thing. From the jump, it has seemed impossible to even get your hands on raw data, let alone useful information. Early on, I was willing to assume that was because little was known and much was changing, but as time has passed, I've only seen information couched to serve one purpose or another. "Here's how dangerous this is" versus "here's how stupid this all is." "This is a HOAX" versus "Your DEATH is imminent."
X - What is the % chance a person could contract covid from a carrier in the first place?
Y - What is that % chance a vaccinated person could then contract covid after accounting for the efficacy of any one of the vaccines?
Z - What is the % chance any given contraction of covid will result in hospitalization or worse for the average person?
If you want to tell fully vaccinated people that they can't live their lives as normal, at least tell them what X * Y * Z is. If you don't know, then tell them we're just making it up while we learn more and that this is "belt & suspenders" methodology.
Best you can get these days is R0 numbers, but those of course fluctuate depending on the circumstances like total recovery numbers and % pop that's vaccinated.
I don't give a crap about the politics. Just give me the information and let me make up my own damned mind about my own damned health. And if you're afraid people won't get vaccinated if they knew the true figures for risk, then that's also the damned point. Make your case as to why the population should despite the low risk. Don't hide the data to make certain people do what you want without the freedom of choice based on information.
So irritating.
X - What is the % chance a person could contract covid from a carrier in the first place?
Y - What is that % chance a vaccinated person could then contract covid after accounting for the efficacy of any one of the vaccines?
Z - What is the % chance any given contraction of covid will result in hospitalization or worse for the average person?
If you want to tell fully vaccinated people that they can't live their lives as normal, at least tell them what X * Y * Z is. If you don't know, then tell them we're just making it up while we learn more and that this is "belt & suspenders" methodology.
Best you can get these days is R0 numbers, but those of course fluctuate depending on the circumstances like total recovery numbers and % pop that's vaccinated.
I don't give a crap about the politics. Just give me the information and let me make up my own damned mind about my own damned health. And if you're afraid people won't get vaccinated if they knew the true figures for risk, then that's also the damned point. Make your case as to why the population should despite the low risk. Don't hide the data to make certain people do what you want without the freedom of choice based on information.
So irritating.
My immuno-compromised wife got Covid. Got the meds and breezed through it. We didn't socially distance, slept in the same bed, and I never got it. If I did, I never became symptomatic. Distancing from others wasn't an issue as this happened during The Freeze.
I don't see any reason to get the vaccine as my immune system seems to be working just fine. I'll wear a mask if a business I need to patronize requires it, but I'm not about to wear one outdoors for any reason just to make other people feel comfortable. I'm still shocked at the number of people I see that continue to wear masks outdoors. It just doesn't make any sense.
I don't see any reason to get the vaccine as my immune system seems to be working just fine. I'll wear a mask if a business I need to patronize requires it, but I'm not about to wear one outdoors for any reason just to make other people feel comfortable. I'm still shocked at the number of people I see that continue to wear masks outdoors. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Didn't get tested. I lost my sense of smell for a few days too, so I knew I had it. Antibody test confirmed it.
Have not worn a mask since July 2020....breathe the free air again.TexasAggie008 said:
We need to start having more open resistance to it
Well, you obviously spread it to thousands of people and are likely responsible for many deaths.Slicer97 said:
My immuno-compromised wife got Covid. Got the meds and breezed through it. We didn't socially distance, slept in the same bed, and I never got it. If I did, I never became symptomatic. Distancing from others wasn't an issue as this happened during The Freeze.
I don't see any reason to get the vaccine as my immune system seems to be working just fine. I'll wear a mask if a business I need to patronize requires it, but I'm not about to wear one outdoors for any reason just to make other people feel comfortable. I'm still shocked at the number of people I see that continue to wear masks outdoors. It just doesn't make any sense.
It never made ANY sense. The majority of people are easily controlled and it shows.
Covidians, Communists, CNN, FOX, and all other MSM are enemies of the state and should be treated as such.
The shot is 95% if exposed. Overall, it's much higher. Either way, I was responding more to the idea that just because he was barely effected does not mean that others are that way. I'm not afraid or living in fear. Been doing everything I can as I did previously. Just think it's silly to say one who hasn't had it should not get vaccinated because they are healthy.badbilly said:Your chance of reinfection according to the Danish study is 0.65%. The shot is 95% effective. The body's natural immunity is better than what the shot can produce.ORAggieFan said:I'd get it if I were you. But, the need for you to get it is much smaller than many others. If it was a runny nose, why'd you get tested? You and many others being mildly affected does not change the fact that many healthy people have been pretty sick and many healthy people would prefer avoiding it. Most I've talked to said they couldn't do much physically for at least 14 days and didn't feel right for another 14 days. A shot to eliminate that risk, I'll take that all day.Bassmaster said:I'm healthy, got Covid, and barely even knew it. Should I get a shot to avoid a repeat runny nose? Works both ways.ORAggieFan said:Pinche Abogado said:
A healthy person should neither receive the vaccine nor wear a mask
The vaccine part is just idiotic. I'm healthy. I don't like being sick. I know many healthy people that got Covid and were miserable. The shot is very smart way to avoid that.
Completely agree on masks.
I agree those that have had it before pose minimal risk. If it was me, I'd probably still get the shot, but it's really not that big of a deal either way, at least for the next 9-12ish months. We will know a lot more about lasting immunity from both natural and vaccine then. My hope is it's longer than the fear mongering wants us to believe now.
95% means 95% MORE effective than those without a vaccine. So it's in addition to, not a substitute for.
It does not mean that 5% of those vaccinated get covid. Why don't more people understand this?
If in two groups of people, one placebo/control group, and one with the vaccine, 100 people in the placebo group got covid, only 5 vaccinated people would have got it. That's how you determine 95% effective in preventing covid.
It does not mean that 5% of those vaccinated get covid. Why don't more people understand this?
If in two groups of people, one placebo/control group, and one with the vaccine, 100 people in the placebo group got covid, only 5 vaccinated people would have got it. That's how you determine 95% effective in preventing covid.
Seems like your example shows 5% of those vaccinated got covid.beerad12man said:
95% means 95% MORE effective than those without a vaccine. So it's in addition to, not a substitute for.
It does not mean that 5% of those vaccinated get covid. Why don't more people understand this?
If in two groups of people, one placebo/control group, and one with the vaccine, 100 people in the placebo group got covid, only 5 vaccinated people would have got it. That's how you determine 95% effective in preventing covid.
No it doesn't. The control groups could have been 10k people for all we know.AggieAuditor said:Seems like your example shows 5% of those vaccinated got covid.beerad12man said:
95% means 95% MORE effective than those without a vaccine. So it's in addition to, not a substitute for.
It does not mean that 5% of those vaccinated get covid. Why don't more people understand this?
If in two groups of people, one placebo/control group, and one with the vaccine, 100 people in the placebo group got covid, only 5 vaccinated people would have got it. That's how you determine 95% effective in preventing covid.
10k people vaccianted / 10k people not vaccinated
Both groups monitored for lets say 3 months. 100 in the 10k group of unvaccinated get it. If 5 in the 10k group of vaccinated get it, this is 95% efficacy. It literally means 5% of vaccinated people for every 100% of unvaccinated people will get it. Not that 5% get covid.
These are all hypothetical numbers, but show why 5% efficacy does not mean 5% get covid.
The actual numbers are <1 in 1000 vaccinated getting Covid.
Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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Got both of my covid shots. Local urgent care clinic was (and still is) offering drive-thru Pfizer shots for free. First one was sore to the touch a few days. Second one gave me some sniffles and was actually sore for a few days (sort of like what a tdap booster feels like). All of that went down without my dick flying off or me growing mutant horns out of my skull. Now my approach is that I do not wear a mask unless it is specifically requested by someone with authority to request it (store worker asks, answer is a polite "no problem"; another customer asks, answer is either "no" or ignore).
It's all kabuki theater and the sooner its over, the better.
It's all kabuki theater and the sooner its over, the better.
just took my post lunch walk and strolled by the local elementary school. 90% of the kids on the play ground running around wearing mask, the other ten percent (future republicans) had there's pulled down to their chin.
Nothing like following the freaking science.
Nothing like following the freaking science.
Thanks for posting the chart.
I think the "Risk if Vaccinated" numbers are perhaps overstated, no? I get they're still very, very low, but .02% risk of death after vaccination for 50-64 year olds feels high. Do we know of any deaths after vaccination in any age group right now?
(Also - not sure I understand the numbers in the IFR column either.)
I think the "Risk if Vaccinated" numbers are perhaps overstated, no? I get they're still very, very low, but .02% risk of death after vaccination for 50-64 year olds feels high. Do we know of any deaths after vaccination in any age group right now?
(Also - not sure I understand the numbers in the IFR column either.)
It might be. I'm not sure from who put the chart up how they got their numbers.
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