"Given the complete lack of international travel over the prior year and the masking requirements". Why is covid spreading then? You really think the flu just disappeared....? The common cold just disappeared? Nobody is talking about a giant conspiracy theory to change all of the flu diagnoses. But its common knowledge that hospitals get increased federal funding for each covid case... so why wouldn't they report more?
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Off the top of my head at this very moment? No, lol. I told you where to look so if you'd like to know, you can look for yourself. Reading comprehension seems to be very difficult for you.
I don't have it drilled into my head that covid will be long lasting at all.cjeffery20 said:
You've had it drilled into your mind that COVID will produce some sort of "debilitating, long-term health issues" when doctors and scientists don't even know because the virus has been around for a year...Do you really not understand the word "long-term"? mRNA has been studied for years but it hasn't been used or implemented or even deemed safe lol there is a reason why this vaccine is still in the "experimental" stage. You are the guinea pig.
The media has lied to you and you've bought every second of it. I suggest doing some more research... HHS produces a chart with vaccine-related injuries, hospitalizations and deaths (known as VARS). Maybe you'll change your mind.
I have it drilled into my head that both are insanely low for healthy people. The only thing I'm pointing out is that some worry about one, while disregarding the other. Sorry, but I think you are the irrational one here. Please don't tell me to do more research. I've done a ton on the subject. For all the anecdotes you can find about vaers, you can find more on the virus itself. I'm not worried about either, but one is a clear cut way out of this mess.
Trying to claim a flu conspiracy is all I need to know about what type of person I'm arguing with. And the nerve to tell me to do more research.
Viral interference, international travel, there are plenty of reasons to believe the flu would lower before screaming big conspiracy to cover the flu up.
Viral interference, international travel, there are plenty of reasons to believe the flu would lower before screaming big conspiracy to cover the flu up.
Interesting paper and theory.SnyderAg02 said:
https://medium.com/illumination-curated/the-unexpected-case-of-the-disappearing-flu-64fd1fa5e909
Aston94 said:As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.
Sorry for your loss but I've already had the virus ****stick and it was nothing. I will not be getting the vaccine.
As someone who has already had it, you are contributing to herd immunity. No issues here. Then I can somewhat understand the arguments about long term effects. Why add the (incredibly slight) risk of both when you've already had one, and the data continues to show strong natural immunity?
Between vaccinations and natural immunity, we are going to be damn near done with this by the end of May in the US. At least, from the actual virus standpoint. Now comes the political and societal fallback. Who knows how long those take.
Between vaccinations and natural immunity, we are going to be damn near done with this by the end of May in the US. At least, from the actual virus standpoint. Now comes the political and societal fallback. Who knows how long those take.
cjeffery20 said:
"Given the complete lack of international travel over the prior year and the masking requirements". Why is covid spreading then? You really think the flu just disappeared....? The common cold just disappeared? Nobody is talking about a giant conspiracy theory to change all of the flu diagnoses. But its common knowledge that hospitals get increased federal funding for each covid case... so why wouldn't they report more?
So every hospital immediately conspired to lie about flu diagnosis? Got it.
Explain viral interference since you seemed to be so well-versed in scientific knowledge. Or did you just read this in a CNN headline so now you regurgitate it everywhere you go?
The fact that flu cases have declined 99% should push you to do more research and question things. The fact that you don't tells me everything I need to know about you.
The fact that flu cases have declined 99% should push you to do more research and question things. The fact that you don't tells me everything I need to know about you.
Glad it was nothing for you. It was not anything for my family either, but I acknowledge the world does not revolve around me and my personal experiences.The_Fox said:Aston94 said:As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.
Sorry for your loss but I've already had the virus ****stick and it was nothing. I will not be getting the vaccine.
Didn't say every hospital. Like I said, it's common knowledge that hospitals received federal funding for each covid case. When COVID symptoms and flu symptoms are almost identical... it's rather odd that one just "disappears".
I don't get my information from CNN headlines. I don't even think you know who you are talking to. I lean right, and I get it from mostly right winged people, who continue to show data how it's not a big conspiracy to cover up the flu deaths and list them as covid. Flu tests are still being run. They just continue to come back negative. Unless you think all these drs are in one big conspiracy to cover it up, then the burden of proof is on you to prove the conspiracy. Not on me to show you the numbers. You either believe them or you don't at that point.cjeffery20 said:
Explain viral interference since you seemed to be so well-versed in scientific knowledge. Or did you just read this in a CNN headline so now you regurgitate it everywhere you go?
The fact that flu cases have declined 99% should push you to do more research and question things. The fact that you don't tells me everything I need to know about you.
People who have been right time and time again about stuff like this, while Fauci and the CDC continues with their thumbs up their asses.
This is a great reply and what I was looking for. I had not seen any data that showed women had conceived and brought to term healthy babies after being vaccinated. Not that I would suspect there would be thalidomide type side effects but you wondered if you would've seen reports of serious issues by now. What has Covid done to pregnant women or those trying to have kids? My girls aren't getting pregnant anytime soon but looking 5+ years out - and if there is no concern moving forward, then fine get the shot - not for fear of getting sick but almost for convenience with travel, college, etc. A&M still requires proof of meningitis vaccine before registering for classes.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf
Check out slides 27 onwards for more specific numbers. Data is a little out of date, but you can see that it is being actively monitored quite vigorously.
Not sure on the number that have conceived AND delivered after vaccination. There were a few dozen that were told NOT to get pregnant during the clinical trial, yet still got pregnant. I suspect they're going to be delivering very soon, if they haven't already.
Check out slides 27 onwards for more specific numbers. Data is a little out of date, but you can see that it is being actively monitored quite vigorously.
Not sure on the number that have conceived AND delivered after vaccination. There were a few dozen that were told NOT to get pregnant during the clinical trial, yet still got pregnant. I suspect they're going to be delivering very soon, if they haven't already.
I think for it to disappear like it has you would have to have buy in from essentially every hospital. You don't think someone would have come forth with a shred of evidence that flu positives were being changed to Covid positives?cjeffery20 said:
Didn't say every hospital. Like I said, it's common knowledge that hospitals received federal funding for each covid case. When COVID symptoms and flu symptoms are almost identical... it's rather odd that one just "disappears".
Conspiracy theories are nice until you start doing the leg work on who all would have to be on board for such a conspiracy. The differentiation received for a flu patient and a covid patient doesn't justify that level of conspiracy.
Wow that's tough. It's so unlikely that one person would personally know three of the 108 thousand people under 60 that died of this disease but super rare things happen with a large enough number of opportunities. Since covid started I havent even known one person in the 0-60 age group who has died of anything and that's out of 1.1 million deaths. Sorry for your losses.Aston94 said:As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.
Yeah, 3 under 60 is kind of crazy. I know of 3 people as well, two of them distantly, but they were 86, 70, and 62. Only the 62 was really known on a personal level. And he was overweight and wouldn't be described as healthy by any means. But he would still likely be here. The 86 year old would have died within the year almost for sure, she was well on her way out. Not sure about the 70 year old.
Your condescension is noted. The point of the post was the 585,000 total in a year, and acting like Covid is "allergy like" is not real world. For some yes, for many others no, and there is a super large group of "struggled with Covid but didn't die" that are being ignored when we call it "allergy like".GE said:Wow that's tough. It's so unlikely that one person would personally know three of the 108 thousand people under 60 that died of this disease but super rare things happen with a large enough number of opportunities. Since covid started I havent even known one person in the 0-60 age group who has died of anything and that's out of 1.1 million deaths. Sorry for your losses.Aston94 said:As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.
If it came across that way it was unintentional. I really am sorry for your losses.Aston94 said:Your condescension is noted. The point of the post was the 585,000 total in a year, and acting like Covid is "allergy like" is not real world. For some yes, for many others no, and there is a super large group of "struggled with Covid but didn't die" that are being ignored when we call it "allergy like".GE said:Wow that's tough. It's so unlikely that one person would personally know three of the 108 thousand people under 60 that died of this disease but super rare things happen with a large enough number of opportunities. Since covid started I havent even known one person in the 0-60 age group who has died of anything and that's out of 1.1 million deaths. Sorry for your losses.Aston94 said:As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.
This is a very serious disease for some people, especially old people and especially fat old people with an additional health problem.
Blessedly I only know one person directly (70's) that died.
My best friend from A&M probably knows a dozen, at least three were in their 20's or early 30's. All medical workers in DFW. I believe two women and a guy, IIRC.
So it goes.
My best friend from A&M probably knows a dozen, at least three were in their 20's or early 30's. All medical workers in DFW. I believe two women and a guy, IIRC.
So it goes.
Of which only 2,300 were from people under the age of 30 (and who knows what other complications led to those). There are roughly 125 million people in the US under 30. That is a .0000184 chance of dying.Aston94 said:586,000 deaths in one year say we do know the effects of the virus. It is all about risk assessment.cjeffery20 said:
When has 14 months been considered long term in any study? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question. Nobody knows the long term risks of taking this vaccine... we don't know how this will affect our bodies 10-15 years from now... Scientists don't even know the full extent because mRNA vaccines are brand new.
There's a reason why this vaccine is currently labeled as EXPERIMENTAL.
For the age group in question the risk assessment is VERY different.
Remember, disease burden is measured in not just mortality, but morbidity as well.
BiochemAg97 said:
FDA just said Pfizer/Moderna are safe for pregnant women. FWIW
Ohhhh their very trustworthy
FriscoKid said:
Someone needs to explain vaccines to people. If you have it then you are protected. Why do these people care if someone else is not protected? Leave them alone.
Well, first of all, that's not how vaccines work at all. Why don't you know this? If there were a measles outbreak in your neighborhood, would you get it? The truth is, nobody knows. Even though you've been vaccinated. That's why anti-vaxxers present such a public health concern. Think of all the teenagers who got the chicken pox vaccine. Do we know how long the immunity endures? No. But we do know that we've likely saved a lot of sickness from shingles. Now, what if a bunch of kids stop getting the vaccine, and now you've got millions of adults who are susceptible to chicken pox? This is a disease you do NOT want as an adult. So, you see, vaccination is a public health issue, not just a matter of individual choice. I know Americans have a lot of trouble with this issue. They like to pretend that they chose to be born here instead of some "****"hole country. But we practice foolishness and act like it's showing control of circumstances. Free will sounds really cool until you see what most people do with it.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Can always review the data yourself.tmaggies said:BiochemAg97 said:
FDA just said Pfizer/Moderna are safe for pregnant women. FWIW
Ohhhh their very trustworthy
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983
RockOn said:The_Fox said:Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.Fitch said:
I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.
Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.
Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...
Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.
Fwiw, Utah is seeing 5% of babies age 0-1 that get covid end up hospitalized.
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/case-counts/
How does a 0-1 year old get covid? Presumably from a family member which transmitted asymptotically and later tested positive? Otherwise what are the symptoms which dictate a covid test being performed on a newborn? Are these hospitalized newborns then kept in isolation and unable to have skin to skin contact with mom? Is it more likely the symptoms are bad enough to need hospitalization or that those 5% of newborns have bad doctors making poor medical decisions?
These are hilarious to me. I bet you and most people never once questioned the FDA before COVID, and now everything, including the FDA, is a leftist machine wreaking havoc on the population by putting out a vaccine that could end up turning us all into monkeys.tmaggies said:BiochemAg97 said:
FDA just said Pfizer/Moderna are safe for pregnant women. FWIW
Ohhhh their very trustworthy
My 24 year old daughter is happily vaccinated. There is nothing other then innuendo from people anti vax to create those fears. We understand the mechanisms used ......if anything, skip the J&J but even that one seems like good odds.
Vaccines don't protect you against a virus?94chem said:FriscoKid said:
Someone needs to explain vaccines to people. If you have it then you are protected. Why do these people care if someone else is not protected? Leave them alone.
Well, first of all, that's not how vaccines work at all. Why don't you know this? If there were a measles outbreak in your neighborhood, would you get it? The truth is, nobody knows. Even though you've been vaccinated. That's why anti-vaxxers present such a public health concern. Think of all the teenagers who got the chicken pox vaccine. Do we know how long the immunity endures? No. But we do know that we've likely saved a lot of sickness from shingles. Now, what if a bunch of kids stop getting the vaccine, and now you've got millions of adults who are susceptible to chicken pox? This is a disease you do NOT want as an adult. So, you see, vaccination is a public health issue, not just a matter of individual choice. I know Americans have a lot of trouble with this issue. They like to pretend that they chose to be born here instead of some "****"hole country. But we practice foolishness and act like it's showing control of circumstances. Free will sounds really cool until you see what most people do with it.
Then what's the point?
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
Lolololol.....lolololol
I love how people always try and present this issue as "anti-vaxxer". As if the totality of the people not wanting these vaccines just don't believe in vaccines and the implicit intent is to call them anti-science. This term should have been banned the same day staff banned "branch covidians".94chem said:FriscoKid said:
Someone needs to explain vaccines to people. If you have it then you are protected. Why do these people care if someone else is not protected? Leave them alone.
Well, first of all, that's not how vaccines work at all. Why don't you know this? If there were a measles outbreak in your neighborhood, would you get it? The truth is, nobody knows. Even though you've been vaccinated. That's why anti-vaxxers present such a public health concern. Think of all the teenagers who got the chicken pox vaccine. Do we know how long the immunity endures? No. But we do know that we've likely saved a lot of sickness from shingles. Now, what if a bunch of kids stop getting the vaccine, and now you've got millions of adults who are susceptible to chicken pox? This is a disease you do NOT want as an adult. So, you see, vaccination is a public health issue, not just a matter of individual choice. I know Americans have a lot of trouble with this issue. They like to pretend that they chose to be born here instead of some "****"hole country. But we practice foolishness and act like it's showing control of circumstances. Free will sounds really cool until you see what most people do with it.
The truth is, most of the people who are skeptical about these vaccines are very well reasoned and thought out. They have done their own reasonable risk benefit analysis and have come to their own appropriate conclusion but please keep labeling them as you wish.
Deplorable Neanderthal Clinger
Because durable immunity is unknown, even for some of our most effective and time-tested vaccines. Tetanus, measles, chicken pox, smallpox...FriscoKid said:Vaccines don't protect you against a virus?94chem said:FriscoKid said:
Someone needs to explain vaccines to people. If you have it then you are protected. Why do [vaccinated] people care if someone else is not protected? Leave them alone.
Well, first of all, that's not how vaccines work at all. Why don't you know this? If there were a measles outbreak in your neighborhood, would you get it? The truth is, nobody knows. Even though you've been vaccinated. That's why anti-vaxxers present such a public health concern. Think of all the teenagers who got the chicken pox vaccine. Do we know how long the immunity endures? No. But we do know that we've likely saved a lot of sickness from shingles. Now, what if a bunch of kids stop getting the vaccine, and now you've got millions of adults who are susceptible to chicken pox? This is a disease you do NOT want as an adult. So, you see, vaccination is a public health issue, not just a matter of individual choice. I know Americans have a lot of trouble with this issue. They like to pretend that they chose to be born here instead of some "****"hole country. But we practice foolishness and act like it's showing control of circumstances. Free will sounds really cool until you see what most people do with it.
Then what's the point?
Because some people have no immune system, and rely on others to get vaccinations to prevent community spread (I have a niece with cancer like this).
To protect against varietals, and to reduce the chances of mutation.
I'm not even talking about Covid. I'm talking about vaccinations in general. However, it is interesting to think that any day, week, or month from now, the next coronavirus will escape from somewhere, and nobody knows how deadly it will be, and nobody knows how effective the current vaccine will be against it, whether it will affect the young, the old, etc. Our planet is "on the clock." To that end, we should be coming to terms with the need to be vaccinated for these viruses eventually, either with the current slate of vaccines or with new ones. And, it looks like we'll have plenty of test subjects to see what happens among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. We've had at least 3 epidemics in the past 20 years. The next one will generate a lot of useful data.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
This is the same logic that said, "Your mask protects me. It doesn't protect you."
So you want everyone to get the vaccine to protect you because your vaccine doesn't protect you.
Are you listening to what you are saying?
EDIT: And now we have moved waaaaaaaaay past keeping the hospitals from being overrun. People are advocating getting everyone vaccinated so that we can kill the virus 100%. That's not going to happen. This virus will be with us forever like the flu or the cold.
So you want everyone to get the vaccine to protect you because your vaccine doesn't protect you.
Are you listening to what you are saying?
EDIT: And now we have moved waaaaaaaaay past keeping the hospitals from being overrun. People are advocating getting everyone vaccinated so that we can kill the virus 100%. That's not going to happen. This virus will be with us forever like the flu or the cold.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
Yes. That makes one of us.FriscoKid said:
This is the same logic that said, "Your mask protects me. It doesn't protect you."
So you want everyone to get the vaccine to protect you because your vaccine doesn't protect you.
Are you listening to what you are saying?
EDIT: And now we have moved waaaaaaaaay past keeping the hospitals from being overrun. People are advocating getting everyone vaccinated so that we can kill the virus 100%. That's not going to happen. This virus will be with us forever like the flu or the cold.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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