Vaccine Reluctance

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SamHou
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7:42a, 5/14/21
There would be a whole lot less reluctance if people got their news from places other than social media.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
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11:06p, 5/22/21
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Have not taken a flu shot for around 30 years.

Sure I probably had it 5 or 6 times, , judging by the symptoms I had [fever & chills].

But just don't see the need for it.

Same for the COVID19 vax.

Did get tetanus shot 4-5 years ago, pretty strong adverse effect. Not getting it again.
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In reply to insulator_king • 12:22a, 5/23/21
insulator_king said:
Have not taken a flu shot for around 30 years.

Sure I probably had it 5 or 6 times, , judging by the symptoms I had [fever & chills].

But just don't see the need for it.

Same for the COVID19 vax.

Did get tetanus shot 4-5 years ago, pretty strong adverse effect. Not getting it again.


What do you think an actual Tetanus infection feels like?
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10:16a, 5/24/21
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What do you think an actual Tetanus infection feels like?
Who hasn't ridden out the occasional seizure, lockjaw, heart arrhythmia, and debilitating stomach cramps.
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In reply to Windy City Ag • 12:19p, 5/24/21
Windy City Ag said:
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What do you think an actual Tetanus infection feels like?
Who hasn't ridden out the occasional seizure, lockjaw, heart arrhythmia, and debilitating stomach cramps.


My maternal grandmother lost a brother to lockjaw when they were kids (1920s). He broke his arm and the bone sticking through his skin hit the dirt. She said it was a horrific death, let's just say if we looked at a rusty nail to the dr we went for a tetanus shot.

Don't remember any side effects.
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In reply to Knucklesammich • 12:23p, 5/24/21
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My paternal grandfather lost a sibling to lockjaw as well. Also lost another sibling in a blizzard. Missouri 1920s.
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In reply to CowtownEng • 6:40p, 5/24/21
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Tetanus is one of those things that should scare the ever living beejesus out of people. Short of a life threatening reaction to the shot...

tetanus would not be a way I'd want to go out...
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In reply to Ag_of_08 • 8:09p, 5/24/21
Ag_of_08 said:
Tetanus is one of those things that should scare the ever living beejesus out of people. Short of a life threatening reaction to the shot...

tetanus would not be a way I'd want to go out...

What you don't understand is some people are so tough, the disease that needs a vaccine is so much milder than the shot they're paranoid of.
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In reply to insulator_king • 12:01a, 5/29/21
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insulator_king said:
Have not taken a flu shot for around 30 years.

Sure I probably had it 5 or 6 times, , judging by the symptoms I had [fever & chills].

But just don't see the need for it.

Same for the COVID19 vax.

Did get tetanus shot 4-5 years ago, pretty strong adverse effect. Not getting it again.
The last time I had the flu, my thyroid quit. It may be hard to prove that it enabled an opportunistic infection that destroyed my thyroid, but it certainly seems like a strong possibility.
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In reply to SamHou • 10:34a, 5/31/21
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SamHou said:
There would be a whole lot less reluctance if people got their news from places other than social media.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
The problem is really that the media, and much of the political class politicized the vaccine (remember when VP Harris said she wouldn't take it if Trump were still in office?). Then, to compound it, the medical 'establishment' beclowned itself for a year with leading actors like Fauci flip flopping continuously on various treatments/actions/steps (starting with 'no need for masks' then 'two weeks to curb the spread.')

Once credibility is burned institutionally, it is very difficult to just stop people from relying on word of mouth/social contacts for advice.
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9:38p, 6/4/21
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This aged well
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3:50p, 6/14/21
Good to see that anecdotes are allowed on this board now, but is it only those from 100 years ago and before antibiotics? Are there no serious risks associated with the tetanus vaccine? No confirmed causal relationship with paralysis? A previous "strong" adverse reaction is a contraindication. I'm not a doctor, but Insulator_King is in an unenviable position and probably shouldn't get a tetanus booster, even if he wanted one.

From the vaccine manufacturer: "It is a contraindication to use this or any other related vaccine after a serious adverse reaction temporally associated with a previous dose..."

Contraindication aside, maybe the efficacy results from the clinical trial would be a more effective argument for everyone sharing their opinions for a decision about a disease that isn't contagious? The only problem being there isn't a trial. Like a lot of things based on CDC science, we are left to infer.

From the CDC: "Efficacy of the toxoid has never been studied in a vaccine trial. It can be inferred from protective antitoxin levels that a complete tetanus toxoid series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100%..."

"While some persons may be protected for life, by 10 years after the last dose, most [somewhere between 51% and 99%] persons have antitoxin levels that only approach the minimal protective level."

"There are two types of toxoid [vaccines] available - adsorbed (aluminum salt precipitated) toxoid and fluid toxoid. Although the rates of seroconversion are about equal, the adsorbed toxoid is preferred..." Both vaccines contain Thimerosal (ethylmercury) and both exceed the EPA's safe limit for almost every person in the U.S.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/tetanus.pdf


In the CDC's preferred tetanus vaccine, some excipients may have toxic, synergistic effects. "Within 24 hours, the thimerosal alone had caused about 70% of the neurons to die, but it took only six hours for the combination of thimerosal plus aluminum to kill nearly the same proportion (60%) of neurons, 'an amazing increase [that] clearly demonstrates synergistic effects.'"

https://1796web.com/pdfs/haley.pdf


"Dr. Frank Engleyserved as a trusted consultant to several government agencies including the FDA, CDC, CIA, NASA, Armed Forces Epidemiological Board (AFEB)also served on the National Council of the NIH National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. His research first led him to discover that thimerosal was toxic down to 'parts per billion' [nanograms] in 1948 [1 tetanus shot has 25 mcg]'...Apparently the medical profession does not read the safety data sheets provided by Lilly and other chemical manufacturers made available to physicians, pharmacies, hospitals and health departments. It states for thimerosal: toxic, mutagen, allergen, hypersensitivity, alters genetic materials, may cause mild to severe mental ******ation, may cause mild to severe motor coordination...'"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mChC5qkDK9Fy/


"Deaths have been reported in temporal association with the administration of tetanus toxoid containing vaccines[also] neurological complications including cochlear lesion, brachial plexus neuropathies, paralysis of the radial nerve, paralysis of the recurrent nerve, accommodation paresis, Guillain-Barr syndrome (GBS) and EEG disturbances with encephalopathy. The IOM [Institute of Medicine] following review of the reports of neurologic events following vaccination with tetanus toxoid, Td or DT, concluded the evidence favored acceptance of a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and brachial neuritis and GBS [paralysis]." If there is a causal relationship with GBS, then to say there is only a temporal association with death seems highly unlikely. "The mortality rate for GBS is 4% to 7%."

"No studies have been performed to evaluate carcinogenicity, mutagenic potential, or impact on fertility." The tetanus vaccine has been around for nearly 100 years, but there has been no time for the government to study efficacy or if it causes cancer, etc.

https://www.rxlist.com/tetanus-toxoid-adsorbed-drug.htm#indications
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793
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In reply to BamaAggies • 11:07p, 6/14/21
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Wait, so everyone gets a TDAP, but no one questions that the effects have never been studied? Holy *****!

For the record, I'm fully vaccinated for covid, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, etcchicken pox vax wasn't around when I was a kid
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In reply to Rubble • 8:03a, 6/15/21
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Rubble said:
Wait, so everyone gets a TDAP, but no one questions that the effects have never been studied? Holy *****!

For the record, I'm fully vaccinated for covid, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, etcchicken pox vax wasn't around when I was a kid

To be fair to some....i think you might see some people be a tad more "cautious" with all vaccines in the future assuming they have "COVID reluctance" currently. Likely more research will be done for new parents with kids, etc.

I think historically people trusted the scientific community....as they probably should have.

I think there has been just enough "strange" stuff to throw some people off and make them question what they are injecting in their body a bit more. Now will those same people also apply the same "care" with regards to what they eat, drink, etc.
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In reply to Rubble • 7:53p, 6/15/21
Rubble said:
Wait, so everyone gets a TDAP, but no one questions that the effects have never been studied? Holy *****!

For the record, I'm fully vaccinated for covid, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, etcchicken pox vax wasn't around when I was a kid

"No studies have been performed to evaluate carcinogenicity, mutagenic potential, or impact on fertility."

This surprised me, too. My family is fully vaccinated. If the tetanus vaccine was the exception rather than the norm, then maybe there would be less cause for concern. None of these studies have been performed on at least 9 out of 10 vaccines given to babies during the first year. 2 of the 10 are triple vaccines (DTaP and MMR). As such, some may consider the total to be 14 vaccines (some are also given multiple times during the year). The first year is the only year I am familiar with, so this may or may not apply to all vaccines given to children. There are a few exceptions:

- Two have fertility studies for only females (Pneumococcal and 1 flu vaccine), none have any for males.

- I don't know if there has been a mutagenicity study for the polio vaccine.

- Varicella (chickenpox) by Merck is the only vaccine that I haven't been able to find any study information on over the years. The figure may be 10 out of 10? Maybe a pediatrician on this board can confirm this? Since this vaccine is made using aborted fetal cells, like other vaccines given at the same time, one might guess it hasn't been studied either.

These vaccines on the Vaccine Schedule are not new vaccines. There should be no reason for the studies to not be conducted and for doctors to be okay with that, especially when they start on the first day a baby is born. Being vaccinated on the first day of life (hopefully without any adverse reactions) and the dramatic increase in the number of vaccines given to babies started after vaccine manufacturers received immunity from liability by the government.
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10:36p, 6/18/21
Well the internet will provide no storage of misinformation. Conversations with a medical provider are always best for those with gaps in knowledge.

The NYT publisher an article on the different categories of people for vaccine hesitancy to breakdown the "why".

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/18/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy.html

I would say each person has an incentive meter to do anything; there is always some button that will do the trick. My wife wouldn't let her vaccine hesitant parents see the new grands without getting vaccines for flu and a few other infectious diseases.

When they were eligible for the COVID vaccine, they took it immediately knowing grandkid access would be on the line.
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In reply to GMaster0 • 11:39p, 6/18/21
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We were about to play that same card we're it necessary
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In reply to GMaster0 • 8:29a, 6/19/21
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GMaster0 said:
Well the internet will provide no storage of misinformation. Conversations with a medical provider are always best for those with gaps in knowledge.

The NYT publisher an article on the different categories of people for vaccine hesitancy to breakdown the "why".

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/18/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy.html

I would say each person has an incentive meter to do anything; there is always some button that will do the trick. My wife wouldn't let her vaccine hesitant parents see the new grands without getting vaccines for flu and a few other infectious diseases.

When they were eligible for the COVID vaccine, they took it immediately knowing grandkid access would be on the line.


Your wife doesn't let her parents see your kids over a flu shot?
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8:44a, 6/19/21
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If that were one of mine, I'd tell my kiddos there was no shortage of young kids in need of a grandad and I was taking the neighbor kid fishing instead.

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In reply to 01agtx • 9:34a, 6/19/21
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.
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In reply to SamHou • 9:37a, 6/19/21
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SamHou said:
There would be a whole lot less reluctance if people got their news from places other than social media.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
Not so sure about that. Main stream media was all very much in on questioning the safety and efficacy of the vaccine before the election. That fed into preconceived notions of mistrust of the govt/big pharma/medical establishment, which gave legitimacy to sciency sounding antivax BS on social media.

And then we act all shocked that people don't want to get the vaccine.
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In reply to GMaster0 • 10:23a, 6/19/21
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GMaster0 said:
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.
Considering newborns are susceptible to lots of things for the first few months that doesn't seem unreasonable at all.
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10:55a, 6/19/21
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So telling grandparents they must get a flu shot before seeing grandkids is a thing now?
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In reply to GMaster0 • 11:23a, 6/19/21
GMaster0 said:
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.


Disagree. Sounds like helicopter parenting. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do over an infinitesimal chance isn't okay.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 11:25a, 6/19/21
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GMaster0 said:
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.


Disagree. Sounds like helicopter parenting. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do over an infinitesimal chance isn't okay.
I hope his kids never ride in a car. There is far more risk from that than getting COVID.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 12:25p, 6/19/21
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waitwhat? said:
GMaster0 said:
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.


Disagree. Sounds like helicopter parenting. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do over an infinitesimal chance isn't okay.


Same. Long time PICU nurse here, so I get the fear piece. I STRONGLY disagree with using coercion to get others to make medical decisions.
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In reply to GMaster0 • 6:04a, 6/21/21
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GMaster0 said:
Well the internet will provide no storage of misinformation. Conversations with a medical provider are always best for those with gaps in knowledge.

The NYT publisher an article on the different categories of people for vaccine hesitancy to breakdown the "why".

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/18/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy.html

I would say each person has an incentive meter to do anything; there is always some button that will do the trick. My wife wouldn't let her vaccine hesitant parents see the new grands without getting vaccines for flu and a few other infectious diseases.

When they were eligible for the COVID vaccine, they took it immediately knowing grandkid access would be on the line.

Your wife uses your kids as bargaining chips to get her parents to do what she wants? Wow.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 6:10a, 6/21/21
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waitwhat? said:
GMaster0 said:
Sure it is to protect the newborn, especially those born during flu season. My wife is a pediatrician so there is a bit of credibility with the reasoning.

My in-laws compiled and have done so for all 8 grandkids after her brothers took the same stance.


Disagree. Sounds like helicopter parenting. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do over an infinitesimal chance isn't okay.

Agree. That's just her "out" for her demands.
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aTm2004 said:
GMaster0 said:
Well the internet will provide no storage of misinformation. Conversations with a medical provider are always best for those with gaps in knowledge.

The NYT publisher an article on the different categories of people for vaccine hesitancy to breakdown the "why".

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/18/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy.html

I would say each person has an incentive meter to do anything; there is always some button that will do the trick. My wife wouldn't let her vaccine hesitant parents see the new grands without getting vaccines for flu and a few other infectious diseases.

When they were eligible for the COVID vaccine, they took it immediately knowing grandkid access would be on the line.

Your wife uses your kids as bargaining chips to get her parents to do what she wants? Wow.

Wow indeed. It seems that the grand majority of people who exhibit this nuts behavior are women.
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1:13p, 6/21/21
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It's a wow to me as well, but what goes on between my wife along with her baggage caused by her mother is their business and I stay out of it. It has worked well for 20 years.
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2:29p, 6/21/21
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If Fauci and other politicians would stop wearing masks once vaccinated more people would trust the vaccines.
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Reload8098 said:
It's a wow to me as well, but what goes on between my wife along with her baggage caused by her mother is their business and I stay out of it. It has worked well for 20 years.


Eeeek! To borrow a line from Norm Peterson:

"Women, can't live with them, pass the beer nuts!"
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