Masks don't work and no one owes you anything. The vaccines are extremely effective. Go back to normal
I went to a south Austin H-E-B with no mask
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We as a society now have vaccines on demand. Those vaccines will protect the individual from severe disease and death. CVS is providing walk up vaccines nationwide. This ends the responsibility of others, as those who are vulnerable now can protect themselves.
We can and should resume responsibility for our own personal health choices. Get the vaccine, be protected. The mask discussion should be over.
We can and should resume responsibility for our own personal health choices. Get the vaccine, be protected. The mask discussion should be over.
My freedom protects yours. Your freedom protects mine.Ranger222 said:Capitol Ag said:West Point Aggie said:
What an interesting thread:
1. People have a problem wearing a mask inside a building or business that does NOT belong to them. If said building or business wants to put a security type at the door and deny you access, that is their choice not yours. That shouldn't be that hard to get. I mean don't you control the conditions of the people that visit your business or home? Now if said building does not enforce their own stated "mandates" well too bad for them!
2. Some people have a problem, in general, with other people wearing masks; this personal choice really sticks in the craw of some. It is clear that some people will wear masks from now on regardless of the situation. It will remind me of Asian tourists in New York City 5 -10 years ago who always wore them. I thought they looked peculiar but whatever It looked more like a fashion choice.
3. It is entertaining to watch some "maskless" individuals pose and prance about like peacocks. It becomes quite clear some just want you to see them "without a mask"
4. If Kyle goes full attendance this fall, enforcing any kind of mask mandate will be IMPOSSIBLE.
On point 2, most do not have an issue with the mask wearer per say. It's more about the policy overall they have issues with. They are against a mandate, whether state or individual business or whatever. All I want is for things to be the choice of the individual. Yes, a private business can do what they wish. But if there just isn't a need, it's pointless to continue to mandate a policy. Eventually it will drive business away if people are going maskless more and more every day as vaccinations continue to rise. I'd argue the better policy at this point is "suggest" but do not mandate.
This is where I kind of bang my head into the table. The whole point of wearing a mask is to catch most of the larger droplets that YOU exhale that will carry the virus and put the virus into the air. Less virus in the air = less possibility of transmission to others. That's the whole ****ing point. My wearing a mask and my choice to wear a mask is not meant to help protect ME from the virus, its meant to protect YOU my neighbor from my possible infection and spread to others. It doesn't matter if 99 out of 100 people in the building are wearing a mask and the 1 out of 100 person isn't -- if that 1 out of 100 person is infectious they will spread it to some % out of the other 99. All that matters is the weakest link, and the person that isn't wearing a mask or is not vaccinated is the weakest link in this scenario that ruins it for others. So it will be that ONE person who doesn't mask, based on their "choice", that infects the others which isn't their "choice". This is why this whole thing was supposed to be based on teamwork and protecting each other and your neighbor, instead we have a bunch of people running around shouting about their freedoms and their choices who either i) clearly don't understand the situation or ii) don't give a damn about others or their neighbor and are only in it for themselves. There is no in-between. Same can be said about vaccination. Get the damn shot so YOU can break the transmission chain and prevent someone else from getting the virus that didn't want it. It shouldn't matter if YOU think your immune system is just fine or you think YOU could beat the virus with ease -- its about making sure the OTHER person you encounter that day, that you live with and work with or just encounter by chance doesn't get sick from the virus which is not THEIR CHOICE. Its about protecting other people besides yourself. All I see on this thread and other threads are about ME ME ME ME ME. Its selfish. Downright ****ing selfish. We shouldn't be thinking about ME but about OTHERS and that's what this whole thing is about, and should have been about this whole ****ing time. Its about the selflessness to think about others which is largely lacking from society today.
Look my posting history on this subject probably paints a different picture than my real thoughts. Should we need to mask outside? I agree its probably overkill. Should vaccinated people mask? There is probably no reason to. HOWEVER -- we as a society can't handle different rules. If we say its ok to unmask outside, we'll have people wanting to unmask in all situations. If we say only vaccinated people can unmask, then suddenly everyone is "vaccinated" so the rules can apply to them and they can skirt around it. Its just like these people with "support" dogs so they can take their dog everywhere. Suddenly everyone is vaccinated or suddenly everyone has a condition that doesn't require them to mask. SELFISH. That's why all of the rules and guidelines should have been built on teamwork as a society, and rules made clear from the beginning. When we reach these levels AS A TEAM, whether its vaccination % or # of cases within the population, then the rules come off for everyone. Not for you just because you're vaccinated, and not just for you because you don't want to get vaccinated. When we all work together to accomplish this goal, then we can be rewarded together and celebrate together. Unfortunately our chosen, elected leaders never had this vision and had clear goals in mind to end this thing and now we all suffer that consequence and are constantly mired in these tired debates.
It really does sadden me and shake my core when I read these posts and threads and see so many people only wanting something for themselves. Even posts talking about thinking of others during this debate getting striked down. Where is "love thy neighbor" anymore? Does anyone care about others anymore?? Maybe the brainwashing of political tribalism on both sides has taken over and thinking of others can no longer occur in our society, or clear thinking away from instant impact on what it means for your particular tribalism. It really does sadden me that so many of these conversations center on whats best of you, yourself. Its why I come and go from these conversations as there is little point to argue when its so clear this mentality has taken hold and most people can not think clearly and rationally for others. I'd like to think there is some population in this country and world that still want to think of others before themselves, but I think that number is drastically declining and the events of the last year have only accelerated that.
I'm sorry Capitol as that is not all meant directly at you, but just this board in general.
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There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
Some people in my family have had to deal with some awful stuff and their lives will never be back to normal. Thanks alot immunocompromised people
farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
I'm immunocomprised. Sucks for me. Not for others.
It shouldn't have to suck for you.Ol_Ag_02 said:farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
I'm immunocomprised. Sucks for me. Not for others.
It's called freedom and personal responsibility. We used to have it in this country.
I have never said what my attitude is regarding vaccine on this thread. I have antibodies. I'm not a danger to anyone.farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
Two weeks to slow the spread. Quarantines. Travel restrictions. Retail restrictions. Bar and restaurant closures. Mask requirements. Vaccine requirements. 14 months of this garbage.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but it's past time. I'm tired of putting my life on hold. And I'm furious that my kids' childhoods are being trampled to appease the phobias of grownups who already got to enjoy theirs.
There's a vaccine. It's over. Back to normal. Full stop.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but it's past time. I'm tired of putting my life on hold. And I'm furious that my kids' childhoods are being trampled to appease the phobias of grownups who already got to enjoy theirs.
There's a vaccine. It's over. Back to normal. Full stop.
Sorry, but it's not worth making life ****ty for everyone for a statistical improvement in lives of a few. It's better for a few to live in a bubble, than everyone. That's why we haven't worn masks in past flu seasons. This virus is what, 3x as deadly as the flu? I.e. not very.farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
What are the criteria that should end the mask-wearing? If you could answer that question, your argument would be more compelling. But nobody who advocates masking has any idea about when it can ever end. There will always be "variants", other viruses, and vulnerable people. That's life.
Nope. The CDC recommends the vaccines for those that are immunocompromised. There are very, VERY few people that can't get one type of COVID vaccine or the other if they want to.farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
And the fatality rate for children is higher from the flu than from COVID (by a lot) yet there's never been such a strong push for literally everyone to get vaccinated to protect them.
Red herrings. Red herrings everywhere.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas
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I ready to get rid of mask also. We just need to get more people vaccinated so we can do this. How hard is that to understand
When Abbott ended the mask exemption, there were those that claimed he should've delayed it by a couple more months.
It's been a couple more months now, where are they to say that masks should stop being worn?
It's been a couple more months now, where are they to say that masks should stop being worn?
How many?farmrag said:
I ready to get rid of mask also. We just need to get more people vaccinated so we can do this. How hard is that to understand
What about the "variants"?
What is the number or %? Name it. Stop speaking in generalities.farmrag said:
I ready to get rid of mask also. We just need to get more people vaccinated so we can do this. How hard is that to understand
No, we don't.farmrag said:
I ready to get rid of mask also. We just need to get more people vaccinated so we can do this. How hard is that to understand
There is a prophylactic pharmaceutical intervention broadly available. Anyone can go get one, tomorrow.
Why do we need non-pharmaceutical interventions anymore?
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The truth is that masks remind people of the pandemic, so continued mask use encourages people to get the jab "so we can go back to normal."FratboyLegend said:No, we don't.farmrag said:
I ready to get rid of mask also. We just need to get more people vaccinated so we can do this. How hard is that to understand
There is a prophylactic pharmaceutical intervention broadly available. Anyone can go get one, tomorrow.
Why do we need non-pharmaceutical interventions anymore?
That is the only justification and let's not forget the chick on CNN that said as much on air regarding states daring to reopen before full vaccination:
Well, this is wild. pic.twitter.com/TO2mWgufN1
— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 1, 2021
Every person in the country should watch this video.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas
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TheMasterplan said:
When Abbott ended the mask exemption, there were those that claimed he should've delayed it by a couple more months.
It's been a couple more months now, where are they to say that masks should stop being worn?
I saw people on here, Twitter, tigerdroppings and IRL that said "Abbott made a huge mistake. If he had just waited two more weeks..."
He didn't wait two weeks and things got better.
I'm not the type that likes to spike the football like the OP or anything. I've been very anti-mask but I don't like flaunting it and making a point of being an ass about it.
I wear my mask always when asked and 90% of the time when not, but I do think people saying Abbot was wrong, going to kill us, or should have waited two more weeks do have some crow to eat whether they like it or not.
Just like "it's a weak ass virus" or "will be over by Easter" people should probably eat some crow as well.
TexasAggie008 said:Salute The Marines said:AggieOO said:
Congrats?
I bet you still wear a mask
Yep
Anyone making fun of OP is part of the problem
I forgot f16 took over this place and you can't make a joke.
I'm fully vaccinated, I don't give a **** if you wear a mask or not.
With this argument, everyone should get the flu shot too, as that is more dangerous to children. People don't yet I wonder if you have the same outrage over that. Also, this is about hospitals and the public health infrastructure not being overwhelmed. Policy cannot be made for individual situations like the one you mention. That child will have risks her whole life but that doesn't mean anyone owes it to her to get vaccinated or wear a mask etc. Covid is just another risk among many. I should know, I'm also immunocompromised. I take an immunosuppressant and so I understand the situation. Also, those with cancer and other conditions are at risk. But we have to stop with demanding others put things in their body they choose not to b/c they have a responsibility to protect others. That was never supposed to be how to handle this. And I say this while wanting every adult to get vaccinated. But shaming people, judging them or accusing them of being insensitive is not the way to do it.farmrag said:It's pretty sh**** for those that are immunocompromised. What if I told you there are children that are immunocompromised. Would you get vaccinated to protect them. They don't want to live in a bubble, they want their lives to get back to normal. But then that isn't your problem. I hope no one in your family ever has to deal with this.88planoAg said:Those people, high risk or not, are making a choice to accept risk. That is their choice as it is everyones choice.farmrag said:
There are still some high risk people refusing to get vaccinated. What about those that can't get vaccinated for various reasons. That is why i chose to get vaccinated, let's get this over with once and for all. You want things to get back to normal, then get vaccinated.
Choose to get vaccinated or not. That is an individual taking charge of their own personal health. Everyone should do that and accept the risks associated with that choice.
I want things back to personal responsibility. And that would be back to normal.
No worries. A lot of great points in there too. In the end, I think most of us want the same thing, get people vaccinated so the treat is minimized and the world can get back to normal. It's really the how that we argue about. I do want the vaccinated to be able to drop mitigating, and I believe that's the biggest "carrot" to encourage the most to vaccinate. Who's right? I don't know.Ranger222 said:Capitol Ag said:West Point Aggie said:
What an interesting thread:
1. People have a problem wearing a mask inside a building or business that does NOT belong to them. If said building or business wants to put a security type at the door and deny you access, that is their choice not yours. That shouldn't be that hard to get. I mean don't you control the conditions of the people that visit your business or home? Now if said building does not enforce their own stated "mandates" well too bad for them!
2. Some people have a problem, in general, with other people wearing masks; this personal choice really sticks in the craw of some. It is clear that some people will wear masks from now on regardless of the situation. It will remind me of Asian tourists in New York City 5 -10 years ago who always wore them. I thought they looked peculiar but whatever It looked more like a fashion choice.
3. It is entertaining to watch some "maskless" individuals pose and prance about like peacocks. It becomes quite clear some just want you to see them "without a mask"
4. If Kyle goes full attendance this fall, enforcing any kind of mask mandate will be IMPOSSIBLE.
On point 2, most do not have an issue with the mask wearer per say. It's more about the policy overall they have issues with. They are against a mandate, whether state or individual business or whatever. All I want is for things to be the choice of the individual. Yes, a private business can do what they wish. But if there just isn't a need, it's pointless to continue to mandate a policy. Eventually it will drive business away if people are going maskless more and more every day as vaccinations continue to rise. I'd argue the better policy at this point is "suggest" but do not mandate.
This is where I kind of bang my head into the table. The whole point of wearing a mask is to catch most of the larger droplets that YOU exhale that will carry the virus and put the virus into the air. Less virus in the air = less possibility of transmission to others. That's the whole ****ing point. My wearing a mask and my choice to wear a mask is not meant to help protect ME from the virus, its meant to protect YOU my neighbor from my possible infection and spread to others. It doesn't matter if 99 out of 100 people in the building are wearing a mask and the 1 out of 100 person isn't -- if that 1 out of 100 person is infectious they will spread it to some % out of the other 99. All that matters is the weakest link, and the person that isn't wearing a mask or is not vaccinated is the weakest link in this scenario that ruins it for others. So it will be that ONE person who doesn't mask, based on their "choice", that infects the others which isn't their "choice". This is why this whole thing was supposed to be based on teamwork and protecting each other and your neighbor, instead we have a bunch of people running around shouting about their freedoms and their choices who either i) clearly don't understand the situation or ii) don't give a damn about others or their neighbor and are only in it for themselves. There is no in-between. Same can be said about vaccination. Get the damn shot so YOU can break the transmission chain and prevent someone else from getting the virus that didn't want it. It shouldn't matter if YOU think your immune system is just fine or you think YOU could beat the virus with ease -- its about making sure the OTHER person you encounter that day, that you live with and work with or just encounter by chance doesn't get sick from the virus which is not THEIR CHOICE. Its about protecting other people besides yourself. All I see on this thread and other threads are about ME ME ME ME ME. Its selfish. Downright ****ing selfish. We shouldn't be thinking about ME but about OTHERS and that's what this whole thing is about, and should have been about this whole ****ing time. Its about the selflessness to think about others which is largely lacking from society today.
Look my posting history on this subject probably paints a different picture than my real thoughts. Should we need to mask outside? I agree its probably overkill. Should vaccinated people mask? There is probably no reason to. HOWEVER -- we as a society can't handle different rules. If we say its ok to unmask outside, we'll have people wanting to unmask in all situations. If we say only vaccinated people can unmask, then suddenly everyone is "vaccinated" so the rules can apply to them and they can skirt around it. Its just like these people with "support" dogs so they can take their dog everywhere. Suddenly everyone is vaccinated or suddenly everyone has a condition that doesn't require them to mask. SELFISH. That's why all of the rules and guidelines should have been built on teamwork as a society, and rules made clear from the beginning. When we reach these levels AS A TEAM, whether its vaccination % or # of cases within the population, then the rules come off for everyone. Not for you just because you're vaccinated, and not just for you because you don't want to get vaccinated. When we all work together to accomplish this goal, then we can be rewarded together and celebrate together. Unfortunately our chosen, elected leaders never had this vision and had clear goals in mind to end this thing and now we all suffer that consequence and are constantly mired in these tired debates.
It really does sadden me and shake my core when I read these posts and threads and see so many people only wanting something for themselves. Even posts talking about thinking of others during this debate getting striked down. Where is "love thy neighbor" anymore? Does anyone care about others anymore?? Maybe the brainwashing of political tribalism on both sides has taken over and thinking of others can no longer occur in our society, or clear thinking away from instant impact on what it means for your particular tribalism. It really does sadden me that so many of these conversations center on whats best of you, yourself. Its why I come and go from these conversations as there is little point to argue when its so clear this mentality has taken hold and most people can not think clearly and rationally for others. I'd like to think there is some population in this country and world that still want to think of others before themselves, but I think that number is drastically declining and the events of the last year have only accelerated that.
I'm sorry Capitol as that is not all meant directly at you, but just this board in general.
We're still vaccinating over 2-2.5 million people a day. I don't think we're at the point yet where everyone that wants a vaccine has gotten it. Remember, in many parts of the country it has only been a few weeks since the vaccine eligibility was opened up to everyone over the age of 16.
I do agree, however, that once the vast majority of folks that want it have gotten it, then they have made the decision that they're willing to risk their health from getting COVID rather than the vaccine.
I'm pretty sure by mid-summer we'll be sub 50k people a day getting the vaccine, and at the very least all the truly vulnerable will have been vaccinated.
I do agree, however, that once the vast majority of folks that want it have gotten it, then they have made the decision that they're willing to risk their health from getting COVID rather than the vaccine.
I'm pretty sure by mid-summer we'll be sub 50k people a day getting the vaccine, and at the very least all the truly vulnerable will have been vaccinated.
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In your fantasy land, who decides when, and when will it be ok to unmask?
That is the only thing. That discussion is not happening and until it does, people will be divided over this around the country. I do not see the situation as desperate or black and white as Ranger sees it. I think there is a lot of room form leeway and exceptions. Plus, I know that to him it is frustrating the nation won't put the "team" first and not be "selfish" but I would argue that it isn't selfish at all. It's just the way of things in a society that was founded, before the American Revolution mind you, on rugged individualism. People came here for religious and personal freedoms that their own governments or societies would not afford them. People came here under great risk of travel and living in a completely unforgiving world to try to start a new life. That is the basis for what we call civil liberties today. To expect a society like that to fall in line and take one for the team regarding a virus where .2% die is a hard sell and always will be. Counties like China that are a dictatorship are different. You do not fall in line, you disappear. They are a communist dictatorship that prior was ruled by dictators and before that, kings. Japan is much more free but has a history of the bushido code and considering the Emperor a God. Maybe today it's not the same at all obviously but that tradition is still there. So almost everyone will fall in line. That will never happen in the US with this type of virus. People as a whole would need to feel a much more dangerous and desperate situation before they went that far. The faster people realize that a large portion of the US sees mitigations as threats, the faster we can try to devise other ways to try to lower the spread.Bassmaster said:
In your fantasy land, who decides when, and when will it be ok to unmask?
Masking and vaccinating isn't about protecting your neighbor per say. It is about making sure a whole bunch of your neighbors or yourself will not shut down our public health infrastructure by making the hospitals run out of beds. Period.
The key is to remember we cannot focus on limiting the spread of the virus solely. The virus doesn't need to disappear for us to go back to normal. I am totally fine with it still existing as long as our healthcare systems and infrastructures are safe. The goal wasn't to make sure that not one individual got sick from Covid or even died from it. It was to make sure that the hospitals were not overrun. If that isn't a threat, there should be no need for mitigation. Total annihilation of the virus and 0 human death and suffering is not the goal, for if it were we would risk continuing mitigation policies for ever and would be trying to nail an unreasonable and unrealistic target. We never did that before Covid. People died from all kinds of viruses and it's not like the government and policy makers/healthcare professionals demanded social distancing and masking. Life is not without risk. The number 1 way to ensure you are not one of those unfortunate few is get vaccinated. Most of the at risk are or should be vaccinated at this point. They won't be a serious risk of filling hospitals. Now the next thing to do is gage whether those not vaccinated or immune could possibly fill hospitals. If they are not, no mitigation is necessary.
Some will disagree. They will say that we should not rest until not one person could possibly get the virus and die. I say that is just not a realistic goal wen should take on as a society. Risk is part of life. Our goal should never have been a 0 risk world.
Completely agree with what you wrote. These being the operative language:
We knew this goal had been achieved in Harris County on April 21, 2020. That is the day the county de-mobilized the temporary hospital at NRG. It happened at similar dates around the country. the USS Mercy left NYC shortly thereafter, for example.
I have been saying, the biggest issue has been the elevation of academic physicians to positions of policymaking. When the core tenet of one's professional ethics is "first, do no harm", you disqualify yourself from policymaking. This is why we have seen a race to "risk zero".
Policy should be set to "risk minimized versus cost". Here we are trillions of dollars later and a wasted YEAR of national productivity for incremental risk reduction. It is one of the most foolish collective decisions ever made in US history.
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The goal wasn't to make sure that not one individual got sick from Covid or even died from it. It was to make sure that the hospitals were not overrun. If that isn't a threat, there should be no need for mitigation.
We knew this goal had been achieved in Harris County on April 21, 2020. That is the day the county de-mobilized the temporary hospital at NRG. It happened at similar dates around the country. the USS Mercy left NYC shortly thereafter, for example.
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[Some] will say that we should not rest until not one person could possibly get the virus and die. I say that is just not a realistic goal wen should take on as a society. Risk is part of life. Our goal should never have been a 0 risk world.
I have been saying, the biggest issue has been the elevation of academic physicians to positions of policymaking. When the core tenet of one's professional ethics is "first, do no harm", you disqualify yourself from policymaking. This is why we have seen a race to "risk zero".
Policy should be set to "risk minimized versus cost". Here we are trillions of dollars later and a wasted YEAR of national productivity for incremental risk reduction. It is one of the most foolish collective decisions ever made in US history.
#CertifiedSIP
GAC06 said:
Masks don't work and no one owes you anything. The vaccines are extremely effective. Go back to normal
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
Yes, if you have chance to listen, latest data, CDC. Out of >95 million Americans who are fully vaccinated, 6025 symptomatic breakthroughs (0.007%); Only 0.0006% hospitalizations for COVID; Deaths 0.0001% for COVID (1 in million); not seen evidence a breakthrough has transmitted https://t.co/6IrZjOpJQs
— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) May 6, 2021
Not a single case of confirmed transmission from a vaccinated person. Masks hardly worked to begin with. Just how close to zero is zero risk?
Why are we ruining confidence of a highly effective SOLUTION, and merely delaying our trend back to normal, for the optics of a highly ineffective tool?
But I don't think this happened. If you look who shut down bars, gyms, schools, etc it was not CDC scientists or County Health Commissioners.Quote:
I have been saying, the biggest issue has been the elevation of academic physicians to positions of policymaking.
I think the Trumps and Abbotts and DeSantis's of the world AT THAT TIME rightly saw the theoretical downside of ignoring their scientific advisors and instead catering to the extreme parts of their base who wanted to open it back up, lock granny in a closet until all is clear, and let mother nature sort out the rest.
They did not want to roll the dice and get that wrong and have all that death on their hands. It was partly the unknown and partly their political instincts of wanting to live to fight another day.
It was much easier and more convenient to open stuff back up in April when the statistical trends were pretty clear and they were right to do so because they still get credit for showing backbone, bucking the trend, etc. when in reality they did no such thing.
Went again this evening. This time there were two other guys in the store without masks. They were twins, but it still counts.
The tide is turning!
The tide is turning!
200% increase
Why? I go maskless all the time
ORAggieFan said:Until the CDC changes their recommendations, no corporation will go against them in their policy. They may choose to not enforce, but they won't come out and go against it.88planoAg said:
I would love to see retail establishments move to a 'one hour masked shopping' for those who still feel the need. Like the senior shopping hour they had early on last year.
Our corporation has never had a mask policy.
Brookshires employees don't have to wear masks.
Stopped at Buccees in madisonville recently 50% of employees were maskless.
I think this is just city folk ****
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