Here's an analogy that might be helpful. Someone in the room has been struggling to get pregnant, having multiple miscarriages. They're in the room to get advice and share their struggles. And knowing that, you continue to blather on about how easy it was for you to get pregnant, which is something that everyone knows is true for most people.

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You should go read this thread and think about whether comments like that are helpful:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3203000

Just consider yourself fortunate and move on. No need to flex the idea that your family is stronger than the disease, when in reality, you're just fortunate that it didn't hit you close to home the way it has others.

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"I don't like your anecdotal story so go read this anecdotal story".

That thread is tragic, but that doesn't mean it's more valuable than stories of easily overcoming the disease.

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The difference is that thread isn't someone just sharing their story - they're coming to this board for help and information. The posts here are people just offering their unsolicited brags about how they haven't been hit hard by covid. Please again tell me how the posts here are valuable - because it seems like a bunch of people just trying to make themselves feel better/justified about their decisions and attitudes while disrespecting those that try to use this board for actual help.

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I would agree with you if the people here went to that thread and stomped on that OP. That isn't happening. We don't need to protect the whole board from others' stories. If people come to this board for help they are directed to doc rev, given advice by him and other docs and others who have been through similar. If people come to this board to discuss the overwhelming events of covid, statistics re risk and recovery, restrictions, vaccinations, 'the new normal', etc, they read and post on threads like this one. Policing the whole board in this manner is unnecessary.

And I would agree with you if those comments weren't taking over every thread. This environment isn't very inviting for people that have struggled with covid and don't want to argue with or ignore half the posts.

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I wonder why we don't see these cavalier attitudes in the other current threads about people losing their loved ones to covid. Or in response to doctors like Marcus who post abour seeing terrible outcomes for their covid patients. Y'all might as well be saying directly to them, "well it was their choice, get over it."

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We don't post on those threads because it wouldn't add value to the thread and would likely cause emotional harm. But there is more to this board than death and sickness. I 100% want to hear the success stories. It's important to get both sides of it. Feel free to ignore those comments if it triggers you so much. And if someone is posting those comments you hate so much on the threads you mentioned flag it and call them out.

To your example about pregnancy, it's very hard to struggle getting pregnant and hear about people getting pregnant so easily. But that doesn't mean people can't post their gender reveals and baby announcements on social media. But they shouldn't post it on someone's post mourning a recent miscarriage or infertility issues.

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Read Marcus's response to the "we don't need the vaccine, rona is no big deal attitude" I'm fighting against and maybe it'll give you some more context as to the environment that has been created in this board by your treasured "success stories."

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3202564/replies/59412487

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No doubt doctors see the worst of the worst. That's why I want other perspectives. Not sure why you feel you get to be the post police on this board. I like seeing success stories. You don't. What makes you better than me that you get to decide what's posted here?

Here is my success story for anyone that might be interested. Took no mitigating measures. Played group sports all through "quarantine". Travelled a bunch. Wore a mask as little as possible. Had my kid in school with no mask. Never caught Covid (as far as I know, never took a test but blood donation showed no antibodies 3 months ago)

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I wonder why we don't see these cavalier attitudes in the other current threads about people losing their loved ones to covid. Or in response to doctors like Marcus who post abour seeing terrible outcomes for their covid patients. Y'all might as well be saying directly to them, "well it was their choice, get over it."

It's like y'all just wanna find a place to flex in front of each other for blue stars. Everyone knows the statistics, you don't have to keep repeating them. And you certainly don't have to act like this disease is "nothing" when the stories of it being terrible for some are right here in front of you.

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Not to mention that 50% of asymptomatic COVID patients have long-term lung, heart, or brain damage. The cardiac changes are like decades of aging.

How this affects someone in 10, 20, 30 years is unknown.

Getting herd immunity's worth of vax reduces the risk of variants being generated that aren't protected by the vaccines...although there's a decent chance booster shots can stay ahead. The newer variants are more contagious, virulent, and affecting younger people.

Roll the dice... w/e I got mine months ago.

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Do you have a link to 50% of asymptomatic Covid patients having long term lung, heart, or brain damage?

Thanks.

And I know there is some evidence the newer strains are more contagious. Have seen nothing proven by scientific data that they are more virulent. And what do you mean by "affecting" younger people?

Obviously if they are more contagious then more younger people will be infected. Being infected is a lot different than being "affected".

He doesn't have any... but your a smart man and you know that already lol...

He's an example that it's ok a troll with misinformation Or unsubstantiated report/facts as long as it fits a certain message.

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He doesn't have any... but your a smart man and you know that already lol...

He's an example that it's ok a troll with misinformation Or unsubstantiated report/facts as long as it fits a certain message.

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Mods ought to take it down if it is false info.

If I had posted unsubstantiated stuff like that, my post would have been taken down.

And flagged repeatedly.

Your comparison of gunshot victims and COVID-19 makes absolutely zero sense. Probably better to take that kind of stuff over to Forum 16 where you will find more people that like to conflate things that aren't really comparable.....

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Your comparison of gunshot victims and COVID-19 makes absolutely zero sense. Probably better to take that kind of stuff over to Forum 16 where you will find more people that like to conflate things that aren't really comparable.....

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Just curious what you think about the post claiming 50% of asymptomatic Covid patients had long term disabilities?

Weird.

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Your comparison of gunshot victims and COVID-19 makes absolutely zero sense. Probably better to take that kind of stuff over to Forum 16 where you will find more people that like to conflate things that aren't really comparable.....

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Why would a doctor tell me a story about a healthy 30 year old male with Covid he had to intubate that week but leave out the multiple GSW and stabbing victims he saw in that same timeframe?

My point is that doctors see the worst of the worst and I'm not going to base my life choices off a handful of patients they see. It's not a reflective sample size.

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50% is wrong. Maybe the poster mistyped? Maybe he was engaging in some internet grandiosity?

Most studies show 10-20% of post-COVID patients are long-haulers. What, if any, permanent effects they have from the virus remains to be seen.

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It is nowhere near even 10-20% of asymptomatic Covid patients that have long term disabilities.

You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that.

Why post that?

Oh look, now two of my posts calling out false information have been removed. But the false information remains. Thanks for supporting the narrative, moderator.

Staff: is this factual? Can we post whatever scary bull**** we want as long as it's about the virus and not the vaccines?

" Not to mention that 50% of asymptomatic COVID patients have long-term lung, heart, or brain damage. The cardiac changes are like decades of aging."

Same reason why the post remains and posts disputing it are removed. Just supporting the "narrative".

What was wrong with my post questioning who can not get the vaccine?

They are begging people to come get it in BCS.

Isn't that a great thing?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210111/even-mild-cases-of-covid-can-leave-long-haul-illness-study-shows

This article talks about 10% of patients being long-haulers.

I get you're a Dermatologist and don't see these patients, but I feel like that's information all doctors should know. Or at least not be indignant about your lack of knowledge about it.

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I didn't see your post but there are many people that can't get the vaccine or are vaccine non-responders, which has nothing to do with availability.

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Link?

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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210111/even-mild-cases-of-covid-can-leave-long-haul-illness-study-shows

This article talks about 10% of patients being long-haulers.

I get you're a Dermatologist and don't see these patients, but I feel like that's information all doctors should know. Or at least not be indignant about your lack of knowledge about it.

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And I still teach at Baylor College of Medicine and did my medical internship at Ben Taub. I see these kind of patients.

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Dr. Luis Ostrosky, a professor of infectious diseases at McGovern Medical School at UTHealth in Houston, is among the doctors seeing long haulers.

"The number-one complaint we see is fatigue," he said, "and number-two is brain fog."

Ostrosky, who is also a fellow with the Infectious Diseases Society of America, was not involved in the new study.

He said most patients who come to his center's "post-COVID" clinic were sick enough to be hospitalized for the infection.

"People who have a more severe, prolonged illness are more likely to have prolonged effects," Ostrosky said. "But you do sometimes see it in patients with milder COVID-19, too."

In the new study, a large proportion of patients with mild COVID-19 still felt unwell when they saw their doctor over two months later.

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Seems extremely "scientific". Cite a study with no data and interview and quote a doctor that has nothing to do with said study. Probably the least compelling article I have read to date.... congratulations!

Anyway it's always nice to see the real-world experience match up with clinical trial data. This vaccine is a grand slam.

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Why do you need a link to teach you basic immunology?

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What does that have to do with your posts about people not being able to get the vaccine?

No crawfishing.

Admit you were wrong.

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Why do you need a link to teach you basic clinical immunology?

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And do you really want to go there? I worked with Fauci on HIV.

C'mon man.