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Jmiller said:

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No, but apparently over 600,000 dead Americans and over 4,000,000 people dead world wide is not beyond the scope of snark or belittlement these days.

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I have zero confidence in those numbers. Not to mention the average age of death from Covid was pretty close to average life expectancy.

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WhAT abOUt cOViD loNgHauLERs?!?!,!?!?!?! ItS nOt All ABouT DeaTHs

Jmiller said:

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First, let us define reinfection as someone that tests positive for the virus with or without becoming symptomatic. Then we get to the question of 'how much of a vector are reinfections?' There is no worldwide effort to track reinfections so the media would not be all over it and your eyeballs won't see it. Studies provide the best evidence that reinfection, with or without symptoms, does occur in individuals, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and they can carry significant amounts of the virus without showing any symptoms providing further vectors for spread and mutation. But those studies do not tell us how much of a vector are reinfections. Since that question is still an unknown, but we still have a goal of wanting to reduce the rapid global spread of this mutating virus, and we know that mRNA vaccinations looks to be more protective than natural immunity and are safe, it is only reasonable for medical professionals to recommend the vaccination to unvaccinated people that had been previously infected.

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I think it is reasonable to pass on a vaccine that I do not need. Further, vulnerable people can get vaccines on demand.

People who have been vaccinated have no need to worry about others' personal health decisions, nor do they have anything to fear from me.

gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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1. The CDC has contradicted itself many times already and the leader has admitted to lying multiple times to the American people. Oh wait. Is that "just how science works"?

2. What "doctors"? Cause some "doctors" agree with them...

Didn't the CDC predict gloom and doom back in February? How'd that work out?

The author of the Cleveland study is an MD. Sooooo am I listening to the doctors or not?

Stop dogmatically claiming something as true when there is still obvious debate about it

gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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You would be better off taking in as much information as you can and then use critical thinking to determine the best course of action for you and your family.

Unfortunately critical thinking has gone out the window for most so they are forced to believe what people tell them to believe. At least you're willing to admit being a sheep though. That's the first step.

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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It's amazing that there are people who still trust the CDC.

gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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You know that there are many doctors who are saying either the recovered don't need the vaccine and/or have lasting immunity, right? This idea that all docs are behind the campaign to vaccinate everyone/those who have had covid is wrong. There are also doctors who have said there isn't a need to vaccinate children against covid.

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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How about the doctor that started this forum with Texags.

From his post last night

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People who have had Covid-19 likely still have at least a strong T-cell response even if antibodies are now gone.

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Also natural immunity is preferred for better long term efficacy. Remember, immunity is not just conferred by antibodies, it's also a function of memory B and T cells, which the study researchers suggested may confer long-lasting immunity as in SARS-COV1 which T-cell response has lasted over 15 years.

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Now for the most common question the Delta and Lambda variants.

Everyone seems to be getting freaked out by these. STOP WATCHING the news! Viruses mutate all the time. Influenza A mutates at 300 times the rate of other microbes. There will be tons of mutations, who cares. Some will be more contagious, others less. The more contagious of course will spread faster and cause more cases. This is normal. Until we see a mutation that is shown to cause a significant increase in hospitalizations or deaths in vaccinated or people with previous Covid-19 infections, who cares! It simply does not matter.

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Again, exhausting.

depends on who you ask.

Either the delta variant is more contagious and making those who aren't vaccinated really sick, OR the government is just trying to dominate everyone.

How is OP?

planoaggie123 said:

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How is OP?

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It's been fine. I've had a cough and been very tired. Other than that I'm just sitting around waiting to test negative. I had another positive test yesterday.

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gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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You know that there are many doctors who are saying either the recovered don't need the vaccine and/or have lasting immunity, right? This idea that all docs are behind the campaign to vaccinate everyone/those who have had covid is wrong. There are also doctors who have said there isn't a need to vaccinate children against covid.

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While true, there are very few doctors not recommending vaccines for all adults who have not contracted the virus.

That's what surprise me the most about this whole thing. I didn't realize how many grown adults either ignore or do not seek the advice of their doctors and instead go with an internet source. I think that is a relatively new phenomenon, but I may be wrong.

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gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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You know that there are many doctors who are saying either the recovered don't need the vaccine and/or have lasting immunity, right? This idea that all docs are behind the campaign to vaccinate everyone/those who have had covid is wrong. There are also doctors who have said there isn't a need to vaccinate children against covid.

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While true, there are very few doctors not recommending vaccines for all adults who have not contracted the virus.

That's what surprise me the most about this whole thing. I didn't realize how many grown adults either ignore or do not seek the advice of their doctors and instead go with an internet source. I think that is a relatively new phenomenon, but I may be wrong.

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For me the distrust started with all the lies and half truths that came out of the medical community during Covid. Used to say "doctors don't tell me how to do my job so I'm not going to tell them how to do theirs". Now I don't trust much of anything coming out of that group.

This egomaniacal forum 16 attitude you have is kinda bizarre. There has to be more to the story to have such a strange distrust of physicians, who by and large are smart, caring, and have been mostly right in dealing with a novel virus pandemic.

We are 487 days since we kicked off "15 days to flatten the curve".....

Pardon me if I'm a little skeptical of the 'experts' here.

Once I get lied to a couple times I don't pay much attention to anything else coming from that person or group.

Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Send sick patients to nursing homes
Give the person an award who sent the sick patients to nursing homes
Masks work
No way Covid came from a lab
Maybe Covid came from a lab
Covid came from a pangolin that was right next to the lab studying novel coronaviruses
Asymptomatic spread means you need to wear a mask always unless you're eating, then it's all safe.
Counties/cities being wrong by up to 22% on their Covid death numbers.
"Don't make Covid political" while we trample all over your rights.
Healthy people need to quarantine
No push to quarantine people with risk factors
No push to get overweight people healthy

Just a couple days ago there was a guy on here commending the medical community for realizing their mistake in being off by 22% on Covid deaths in a county in CA and trying to correct it. 22% is either gross incompetence or willful negligence. Neither option leaves me feeling warm and fuzzy about what they say.

ETA: 15 days to flatten the curve. Thanks Old Buffalo

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gunan01 said:

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I for one prefer to listen to coolerguy12 and TheMasterplan instead of doctors and the CDC. I urge everyone to do the same.

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You know that there are many doctors who are saying either the recovered don't need the vaccine and/or have lasting immunity, right? This idea that all docs are behind the campaign to vaccinate everyone/those who have had covid is wrong. There are also doctors who have said there isn't a need to vaccinate children against covid.

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While true, there are very few doctors not recommending vaccines for all adults who have not contracted the virus.

That's what surprise me the most about this whole thing. I didn't realize how many grown adults either ignore or do not seek the advice of their doctors and instead go with an internet source. I think that is a relatively new phenomenon, but I may be wrong.

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For me the distrust started with all the lies and half truths that came out of the medical community during Covid. Used to say "doctors don't tell me how to do my job so I'm not going to tell them how to do theirs". Now I don't trust much of anything coming out of that group.

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You don't trust your doctor? Then I would highly suggest you find a better doctor.

I have never based my faith in my doctors on the CDC or a CNN talking head. That seems to be bit of a reach.

I think the only logical conclusion is a lot of people, including you since you referred to yourself in your post, is you never really have paid much attention to doctors on a personal level. As in 'Doc, I am here for my physical, tell me how I am doing? And then listened to their advise and acted on it. If you had that type of relationship with your doctor you wouldn't give two ****s about CNN.

I tried to rewrite that a couple of times and couln't find a better way to say it. I am not trying to be an ass so please don't take it that way. I was the same way all the way thru my 30s. Fortunately I started listening.

If people listened to their doctor's advice and ignored CNN this thing would be over by now.

You are absolutely right regarding the messaging, which has flip-flopped at times regarding the disease and vaccine.

Hindsight is always 20/20. At the beginning of the pandemic, a lot of people thought that COVID-19 would be over by summer 2000 with hot temperatures. No one knew anything and physicians (from the NIH/CDC/your local family doc) were doing the best they could.

And in terms of COVID-19 origination, we don't really know. Blame China if you want for not allowing any independent investigators to have meaningful access to important sites.

But blaming doctors because they don't tell you what you want to hear is short-sighted and weak.

I don't have a doctor. I'm more talking about how few doctors spoke out against the lockdowns and the mask mandates. It's apparent to me that there is a lot of group think in the community that was helped by social media censoring of the doctors that went against the grain. You bring up the flip flop on masks and they just give you the tired old excuse of saving PPE. Docs have a god complex where it's ok to lie to people if it's for their own good. Not all of them but the majority went along with the lies and still defend them to this day.

So if doctors didn't know,why did they allow lockdowns and mandates if they had no idea if it would do anything? That's where the political aspect comes in. We don't know anything about it so let's go with the plan of action that hurts Trump the most. You can say "don't make it political" till the cows come home but for a casual bystander it seemed like every decision made was intended to hurt or oppose Trump. Recently articles have come out stating that certain people opposed things purely because Trump supported them. That's not science. That's politics.

It's not about doctors telling us what we want to hear. We just want truth and consistency.

We have a head doctor in Fauci who has been far too wrong and at times seemingly enjoying the power too much so sorry if not everyone is a sheep and follows fauci and lord Biden.

For the record, my doctor said he was indifferent if I got it. He said he did and says he sees nothing wrong with vaccine but he isn't pushing it unless over 45/50 or with comorbidities.

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I don't have a doctor. I'm more talking about how few doctors spoke out against the lockdowns and the mask mandates. It's apparent to me that there is a lot of group think in the community that was helped by social media censoring of the doctors that went against the grain. You bring up the flip flop on masks and they just give you the tired old excuse of saving PPE. Docs have a god complex where it's ok to lie to people if it's for their own good. Not all of them but the majority went along with the lies and still defend them to this day.

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That's my point. I didn't realize how many people didn't have doctors.


My doctors told me to get the vaccine. My kid's pediatrician did not. So we got it and they didn't.

I am sure if I didn't have a doctor I wouldn't have gotten it.