It does seem like a lot more personal covid stories are from those working from home or locked down. Maybe a lack of sunlight, a lot of alcohol, sugar, and fat contributed. And those who didn't work from home would probably be less likely to get tested for any minor covid sign as that would jeopardize their job more than those working from home.
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I've also wondered about the stress people put themselves under when it comes to covid. That can't help either.
All conjecture, but I do find it interesting.
All conjecture, but I do find it interesting.
texan12 said:
It does seem like a lot more personal covid stories are from those working from home or locked down. Maybe a lack of sunlight, a lot of alcohol, sugar, and fat contributed. And those who didn't work from home would probably be less likely to get tested for any minor covid sign as that would jeopardize their job more than those working from home.
Well, we did work from home and still are mostly. But we were out & about doing stuff nonstop.
Me Moderna and positive
Wife Pfizer and positive
Son no shot and positive
Wife Pfizer and positive
Son no shot and positive
I'd wager that a significant chunk of this stress could be sourced to the screeching, hyperbolic hyenas that populate the media, CDC and political office. Their attempts to influence social behavior for the better in the last 18 months with distortions, "noble lies" and ignoble lies have been an abject failure. Still, it continues unabated.KlinkerAg11 said:
I've also wondered about the stress people put themselves under when it comes to covid. That can't help either.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Ogre09 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
That's pretty obvious from the rest of your post
It's embarrassing how mathematically and scientifically illiterate our country is. You don't need an MD or PhD to understand this.
Let's look at everyone who dies from Covid (the numbers aren't perfect, but they don't have to be to be statistically significant). Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at everyone who is hospitalized with Covid. Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at the total population. What percent are vaccinated.
If 50% of everyone is vaccinated, and 95% of people who are hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99% of people who die from Covid are unvaccinated, then the vaccine makes a huge difference in outcomes.
I get it.
We can measure the difference between deaths of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. That's a no brainer.
How can we collect and analyze evidence to support the theory that "the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital."
Compared to what?
This still seems like a nebulous concept when vaccinated people are coming down with Covid.
How do we determine whether the vaccine reduced the severity of symptoms and kept people out of the hospital when ~99% of people who get Covid are not hospitalized and do not die from Covid?
This seems like an impossible question to answer with any degree of accuracy.
If you define serious cases as "requiring treatmeyin a hospital" it's just as simple and straightforward. What percent of people hospitwith Covid are vaccinated, and how does that compare to the total population.
If you want to look at "moderate" cases where people are needing prescription meds and feel like complete **** for a couple weeks vs. "mild" cases where symptoms are more of a nuisance or non-existent, it gets more difficult because the data is not being aggregated.
This isn't that hard:
How many people per capita from the vaccinated population are hospitalized due to COVID?
How many people per capita from the unvaccinated population are hospitalized due to COVID?
The number is of unvaccinated people requiring vaccination due to COVID is at least 20 times higher, so the vaccines are at least 95% effective at preventing hospitalization.
They did do blind, randomized trials to test these questions before the vaccines were ever approved. That means they set up two groups of equal size, demographic, etc. and give them both shots, half a vaccine and half a placebo. Yet, people participating in the trial do not know which group they are in. They compare the results over the course of months of how both groups fare. That's the best way to test the effectiveness.
The mRNA vaccines were not just 90%+ effective at preventing symptomatic infection, they were even MORE effective at preventing hospitalization and virtually 100% effective in preventing death.
However, now you can see in the population data how effective vaccines are. When you see that 97% or whatever of people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated, despite 50% or so of the population being vaccinated, that should tell you something.
How many people per capita from the vaccinated population are hospitalized due to COVID?
How many people per capita from the unvaccinated population are hospitalized due to COVID?
The number is of unvaccinated people requiring vaccination due to COVID is at least 20 times higher, so the vaccines are at least 95% effective at preventing hospitalization.
They did do blind, randomized trials to test these questions before the vaccines were ever approved. That means they set up two groups of equal size, demographic, etc. and give them both shots, half a vaccine and half a placebo. Yet, people participating in the trial do not know which group they are in. They compare the results over the course of months of how both groups fare. That's the best way to test the effectiveness.
The mRNA vaccines were not just 90%+ effective at preventing symptomatic infection, they were even MORE effective at preventing hospitalization and virtually 100% effective in preventing death.
However, now you can see in the population data how effective vaccines are. When you see that 97% or whatever of people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated, despite 50% or so of the population being vaccinated, that should tell you something.
I'm vaccinated and while on vacation thought I had a sinus infection, mild fever, aches for a couple of days
Have now passed it on to my entire family.
Me - J&J single shot vaccine - COVID positive test with moderate symptoms
Wife - no vaccine - COVID positive test with severe symptoms
Daughter 28 - had COVID back in January, no vaccine - COVID positive test (AGAIN?!?!?) with severe symptoms
Son 24 - no vaccine - COVID positive test with moderate to severe symptoms
Daughter 16 - no vaccine - COVID positive test with minor symptoms
I haven't had the flu or a flu shot in 20 to 30 years. Relatively strong immune system compared to the rest of my family.
Feel the worst for my oldest who is battling COVID for the second time.
so far it is more of a bad flu for everyone, so I don't know if that is what is considered severe. No breathing issues or need for hospitalizations.
Have now passed it on to my entire family.
Me - J&J single shot vaccine - COVID positive test with moderate symptoms
Wife - no vaccine - COVID positive test with severe symptoms
Daughter 28 - had COVID back in January, no vaccine - COVID positive test (AGAIN?!?!?) with severe symptoms
Son 24 - no vaccine - COVID positive test with moderate to severe symptoms
Daughter 16 - no vaccine - COVID positive test with minor symptoms
I haven't had the flu or a flu shot in 20 to 30 years. Relatively strong immune system compared to the rest of my family.
Feel the worst for my oldest who is battling COVID for the second time.
so far it is more of a bad flu for everyone, so I don't know if that is what is considered severe. No breathing issues or need for hospitalizations.
Hope your family gets to feeling better!
Was you daughter that already had Covid in January symptomatic or asymptomatic? Was she test confirmed?
Not doubting you, just want clarification. A lot of the reinfection cases I have read about usually involve an asymptomatic case (likely false positive) and then a symptomatic infection.
Good luck!
Was you daughter that already had Covid in January symptomatic or asymptomatic? Was she test confirmed?
Not doubting you, just want clarification. A lot of the reinfection cases I have read about usually involve an asymptomatic case (likely false positive) and then a symptomatic infection.
Good luck!
Has to be genetic. I've been living life normal since the beginning and haven't experienced or heard from
others around me about symptoms quite like these.
others around me about symptoms quite like these.
I fear it will only get worse as hospital systems begin calling for mandatory injections.
Most of my friends and I had covid last summer or fall. None that I know of had been reinfected.
One of my coworkers got the vaccine earlier this year. She recently got a very bad case of covid, talked to her doctor, and received ivermectin IV as she has bad asthma. Felt way better a day later. She's now waiting to be over enough symptoms to get back to the office.
Seems we should have put way more stock in treating the disease early vs. vaccinating, and we'd be done with this crap with natural immunity.
One of my coworkers got the vaccine earlier this year. She recently got a very bad case of covid, talked to her doctor, and received ivermectin IV as she has bad asthma. Felt way better a day later. She's now waiting to be over enough symptoms to get back to the office.
Seems we should have put way more stock in treating the disease early vs. vaccinating, and we'd be done with this crap with natural immunity.
He's not BSing me. I spoke with his wife today. She has now tested positive as well and was vaccinated. That is 3 people in their household that were all vaccinated and now have the virus.texan12 said:JBenn06 said:
My neighbor is vaccinated and tested positive a few days ago. He got it from a worker who is building a shed for him.transmitted it while talking to the guy outdoors. He is having allergy symptoms. His 12 year old vaccinated daughter is showing mild symptoms as well.
Your neighbor has to be BSing you. I've been working from the get go in a mainly outdoor environment and all cases can be pointed to indoor/close quarter transmission.
On another note, can we now include asymptomatic vaccinated as a category? That leaves the possibility of a lot more people with the virus.
She was test confirmed and out of work for over 2 weeks. Loss of taste for over 6 months.ttha_aggie_09 said:
Hope your family gets to feeling better!
Was you daughter that already had Covid in January symptomatic or asymptomatic? Was she test confirmed?
Not doubting you, just want clarification. A lot of the reinfection cases I have read about usually involve an asymptomatic case (likely false positive) and then a symptomatic infection.
Good luck!
Tested all 5 of us and she was the only postive.
This time around all 5 tested positive and she is doing much better and is actually up and moving after only day 4. Definitely seems like this variation of COVID is not has strong as the one she had in January.
Good to hear!
Big wedding a few weeks ago. I know of at least 15 people confirmed positive for Covid who attended and all were fully vaccinated (mostly Pfizer). Most had symptoms of the flu with 101-102 fever, chills, sneezing, coughing, etc for a couple of days followed by very slow recovery taking 2-3 weeks along with loss of taste and smell 5 days post infection lasting for a week or more with most slowly getting it back. Doctors considered all of these "break-throughs". Obviously I can't say who was exposed and didn't get sick. The great news is that everyone appears to be recovering. Ivermectin was prescribed and helped many to recover faster. If you get Covid, my recommendation is to take Ivermectin ASAP.
JBenn06 said:He's not BSing me. I spoke with his wife today. She has now tested positive as well and was vaccinated. That is 3 people in their household that were all vaccinated and now have the virus.texan12 said:JBenn06 said:
My neighbor is vaccinated and tested positive a few days ago. He got it from a worker who is building a shed for him.transmitted it while talking to the guy outdoors. He is having allergy symptoms. His 12 year old vaccinated daughter is showing mild symptoms as well.
Your neighbor has to be BSing you. I've been working from the get go in a mainly outdoor environment and all cases can be pointed to indoor/close quarter transmission.
On another note, can we now include asymptomatic vaccinated as a category? That leaves the possibility of a lot more people with the virus.
I don't believe them or I've been extremely lucky for the past year. Same goes with the wedding guy above. Where the hell are y'all?
3 in my family who have been fully vaccinated. Wife, FIL and MIL.
My 2 kids also tested positive (9 yrs old and 6). Mild symptoms. I have tested 3 times and all came negative.
Wife has been experiencing headache, congestion, minor sore throat, body aches and lost her smell and taste senses..
My 2 kids also tested positive (9 yrs old and 6). Mild symptoms. I have tested 3 times and all came negative.
Wife has been experiencing headache, congestion, minor sore throat, body aches and lost her smell and taste senses..
I know of one person. Female 28, fully vaccinated, traveled to Mexico with two friends, tested positive twice 48 and 24 hours before return flight, had to spend an extra 5 days there before she tested negative and could return home. I don't think her symptoms were ever too bad and her two traveling companions never got sick.
My parents (both are 72) are fully vaccinated and my dad just tested positive for covid. My mother also felt a little poorly but she tested negative. Dad is in good shape- takes cholesterol meds and manages his BP but is very active. Exercises daily, does tons of stuff outside, has his Coast Guard captain's license (IIRC, rated up to 60-tons) and putters around on his 30' sailboat a lot. Honestly, I'm more worried about him getting skin cancer than anything else- he's not real vigilant about sunscreen or wearing sun-protective clothing. Mom is a little more fragile and has some diverticulitis issues that she manages with diet.
Anyway, he's got some mild allergy/head cold symptoms but no fever and feels otherwise fine.
Anyway, he's got some mild allergy/head cold symptoms but no fever and feels otherwise fine.
I wonder how many nurses who work for Memorial Hermann will be quitting now that they have mandated the vaccine?Badace52 said:
It happens during flu season to some hospitals, but very very rarely to all the hospitals in a 100mile radius. In fact I've never seen it quite this bad. Maybe briefly in the first round of Covid, but the numbers aren't high enough to merit this kind of ICU bed shortage. The problem is there's no one to staff the ICU. We are in a terrible nursing shortage. Everyone is burnt out and a lot of nurses and older docs have quit.
nm
Not sure, but they have mandated the vaccine at Providence in Waco and I know of several nurses who work there that have voiced their desire to quit over the mandate.
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Fully vaccinated here. Still got a mild case.
texan12 said:
Has to be genetic. I've been living life normal since the beginning and haven't experienced or heard from
others around me about symptoms quite like these.
Same.
HumpitPuryear said:I can imagine hospitals are having the same problem hiring low-skill support staff just like other businesses. I can see where staffing is a limitation. But that's a staffing problem not a "covid is spiking through the roof" problem. The fact that laypeople like myself have to learn how ICU covid admitting works in order to sift through the hyperbole is part of the covid fear problem. Your original post above alludes to a covid breakout not a staffing shortage. You're not necessarily being dishonest but you aren't really giving a complete picture of the problem either. It's propagating what is oft referred to here as "fear porn".Badace52 said:
That's true to an extent, but once again the limiting factor is not that there are no Covid specific beds available. The beds exist. The Hospitals don't have the staff to man the Covid wards. One of the hospitals in Waco (Providence) is about to open a whole floor for Covid patients once they have the staff to care for the patients. They still need people.
A hospital nurse is not a "low skill support staff" position. Demand for nurses right now, especially ICU nurses, is exceeding supply. The reason demand is so high is because Covid is spiking and also local full-time staff nurses are becoming burned out and quitting. The difference between a hospital and something like a factory or a tech company is that patients keep coming in and needing help regardless of staffing availability and only under limited circumstances are we allowed to turn people away. Right now the staffing issues are being driven by the increased demand for services due to the Covid virus.
Me
5 days after my kids caught it. Lots of snot, headache, scratchy throat.
5 days after my kids caught it. Lots of snot, headache, scratchy throat.
Close friend and husband had Covid in November (both mid-50). Both down sick with fever, chills, aches for 7-10 days but no breathing problems other than congestion. Two of three adult kids and spouses had it as well. All got vaccinated in March except husband. Both just tested positive again 3 weeks ago. Wife had what she described as intense symptoms for 2 days then was fine, but tired. Adult kids did not test positive this time around. Husband began having breathing problems and went to ER and was admitted last Tuesday. Went to ICU on Thursday and placed on Bipap to stabilize his O2 sats which had been fluctuating between 70-90. Stabilized but O2 was still in 80's. Placed on a vent yesterday which brought his O2 up to 98% and they are proning him now to assist oxygenation. Don't know what other drug therapy he is receiving. Doctors are 50/50 right now on him being able to come off the vent - which they said was actually pretty optimistic given they don't have many patients that come off the vent.
Sorry for the husband. Looks like a bad decision considering his family
As far as the CDC is concerned, you would be considered mild to moderate symptoms. The CDC only considers severe symptoms if you've been hospitalized.BLB_95 said:
so far it is more of a bad flu for everyone, so I don't know if that is what is considered severe. No breathing issues or need for hospitalizations.
Me. Moderna Feb/March.
Sinus pressure Saturday/Sunday
Covid+ Monday
Lost taste/smell Monday night.
traced to a group work dinner last Monday...in Florida.
Sinus pressure Saturday/Sunday
Covid+ Monday
Lost taste/smell Monday night.
traced to a group work dinner last Monday...in Florida.
Turns out even a blind hog scratches out a nut every now and then, don't it?Ogre09 said:That's pretty obvious from the rest of your postStat Monitor Repairman said:agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
It's embarrassing how mathematically and scientifically illiterate our country is. You don't need an MD or PhD to understand this.
Let's look at everyone who dies from Covid (the numbers aren't perfect, but they don't have to be to be statistically significant). Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at everyone who is hospitalized with Covid. Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at the total population. What percent are vaccinated.
If 50% of everyone is vaccinated, and 95% of people who are hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99% of people who die from Covid are unvaccinated, then the vaccine makes a huge difference in outcomes.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Turns out even a blind hog scratches out a nut every now and then, don't it?Ogre09 said:That's pretty obvious from the rest of your postStat Monitor Repairman said:agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
It's embarrassing how mathematically and scientifically illiterate our country is. You don't need an MD or PhD to understand this.
Let's look at everyone who dies from Covid (the numbers aren't perfect, but they don't have to be to be statistically significant). Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at everyone who is hospitalized with Covid. Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at the total population. What percent are vaccinated.
If 50% of everyone is vaccinated, and 95% of people who are hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99% of people who die from Covid are unvaccinated, then the vaccine makes a huge difference in outcomes.
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