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Clay Travis unleashes on Horns & praises A&M for SEC move

February 21, 2012
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Notes from Clay Travis interview

* Has believed that The University of Texas is scared of the SEC for a long time. Thinks Texas talks a big game, but when the rubber meets the road, they don’t back it up. When the expansion process has brought itself up over the past few years, Texas people would make excuses about why the SEC didn’t work for Texas. It would start with, “We won’t make as much money.” and then after the addition of The Longhorn Network, it morphed into, “We could never have the Longhorn Network in the SEC.” They would always try to out the distance, or the academics or the Big 12 being so superior to the SEC. By the time they actually added West Virginia, it occurred to him that it was time for someone to actually call the Longhorns fans out for the stuff they trotted out as arguments for why they didn’t want to join the SEC. He believes they like the competition better in the Big 12, and unlike Texas A&M, they are afraid to step up and compete with the biggest boys in the country. The article got a lot of play, and he believes that Texas is afraid of the SEC.

* Thinks Texas A&M joining the SEC was brilliant. He’s written about how much sense he thought it made for a couple of years and he knows how excited people in the SEC office were about expanding into Texas. From a Texas A&M perspective, the argument he makes is and the one that A&M is already showing, is the one with the recruits. Being able to offer playing in the best conference in the country and staying close to home in Texas is something that no one else in the country can offer. Instead of playing teams like the Iowa State’s that you really don’t care about, let’s see how you feel about playing against the Alabama’s and Florida’s of the world in nationally televised games that people all over the country will be talking about.

* Texas does not want to be an equal partner and the reality of it is, they want to dominate a weaker conference as opposed to playing consistently against the big boys. His favorite of the Texas excuses is the academics excuse. Texas people would compare themselves to Harvard and that just isn’t true. They are a good academic school but Texas A&M is just about every bit of a good academic school as they are. There are state schools all across the country that rank academically higher than Texas, so people should stop pretending that Texas is comparable to Harvard. The Big 12 has since added West Virginia, a school the SEC decided not to add because of their academic ratings, and is in talks with Louisville, a school that makes Kentucky look like Harvard.

* Texas fans also love to point out the travel issue and say that the SEC road trips are too far, which just isn’t true when Texas is traveling to places like Ames, Iowa and Morgantown, West Virginia. People like to make arguments, but when they don’t stand up when you step back and look at the facts, it makes you look bad. He never picked a side in the A&M-Texas rivalry, but it seems to him that the A&M fans are a lot more rational and forward thinking about the benefits of joining the SEC and it seems as if the longhorn fans live in a fantasy world where they have won eight national championships in the last ten years. They have the cockiness of USC and Alabama rolled into one, with the success of Washington.

* Thinks the SEC network is going to happen. He believes it will look very similar to the Big 10 network except the partnership will be in congruency with ESPN who the SEC has a partnership with through the 2023-2024 season. It can happen very quickly, obviously not this year, but by next year it should be very seriously contemplated and by the year after it will be out there. It will be a subscription based model, the same thing Texas has tried to do with The Longhorn Network. The difference will be that the SEC network will actually have games that people want to watch in a wide variety of sports and to a great extent. The SEC sold the rights for one game a week to CBS, so they get first pick for the most part, while the rest of the SEC games are ESPN property. The partnership is there to be set up and exploited rapidly because ESPN already has the rights to the programming. In that sense, it’s a question of what they want to put on the network, not can they do it. He thinks it will be worth about $1 a month per subscriber to start with. To compare that with something, the average subscriber pays around $4.60 a month for ESPN. If you combine the approximate seven million cable subscribers in Texas with the approximate two million cable subscribers in Missouri along with the other 20.2 million cable subscribers that were already in the SEC, you’re looking at nearly 30 million cable subscribers total. That’s why these schools were added, to help build a network. If you run the numbers, in a few years the SEC network could be bringing in billions of dollars a year in overall revenue and 50 to 60 million dollars per school in television rights alone.

* Thinks Texas A&M will fit in well in the SEC. One argument he hears is that the SEC is top heavy, and he thinks that is a ridiculous statement. A lot of A&M and Missouri fans have asked him how he thinks the schools will do and his answer is that they are going to do better historically than they would do as a football program in the SEC. People ask him what that means and he replies that while everyone is focused on the SEC winning the last six national titles with four different teams, they don’t realize that the bottom six teams in the conference during that time have outperformed historically what their football programs would have done. One example being Kentucky who had been to five straight bowl games prior to last season, when in their entire history leading up to those six years they only went to five total. All six of the lesser weight programs are at heights unseen in their football history for generations. He thinks that when A&M and Missouri come in you’ll see the SEC tide lift all boats. That doesn’t mean A&M will be in the running for an SEC title every season but they will occasionally. And when they are in the running for an SEC title, they will also be in the running for a national title.

* What you will see is that the SEC fan bases are a very united front. A&M won’t only get the benefit when they play Alabama, Florida or LSU but also when those teams are in nationally prominent games. Alabama and LSU playing for a national title helps everybody in the SEC because all of those coaches can say, “Look, you can go other places but the best brand of football in the universe is the NFL. The second best is the SEC.” Thinks as the years go forward, Texas A&M fans will think it’s an even smarter move than they do right now.

* Liked the hiring of Kevin Sumlin. He was on the list when Tennessee fans hired Derek Dooley and a lot of Tennessee fans would like to trade the two. You have got to have the steaks, but you also have to have the sizzle these days, and Kevin Sumlin brings that to the table for Texas A&M. He seems to understand that part of being a successful program is selling that program.

* Nobody’s offense plays that well when you are playing against the best defenses in the country. Thinks that Kevin Sumlin’s offensive strategy has been over-discussed. The reality is that you are going to have to compete defensively as well to win. Mike Leach has had his system placed against these SEC defenses and it has not done as well against them, but no offensive system is going to work against top-tier defenses. When you really break it down, he thinks the offensive system will sell well to recruits, but you’re not going score a lot of points against the Nick Saban defense no matter who you are. Thinks the offensive system you run is less significant that three things. The first being, the amount of turnovers you normally have, and the second being, how well your defense plays. If you don’t give up a lot of points, a lot of points aren’t going to need to be scored. The third is that the SEC defenses always win in the end. There is a reason the SEC has beaten the Oklahoma’s and the Oregon’s in the BCS title game the past six years and that reason is the SEC defense. Thinks no one will ever win the SEC again with a straight offensive system. A team needs balance to win.

* The biggest surprise the A&M fans will find in going to the SEC is how welcomed they will be. Traveling and going on the road is a great thing about the SEC because it’s always a really welcoming environment. He doesn’t think that the tailgate culture exists in the Big 12 to the extent that it does in the SEC. It’s very competitive and people want to win, but when you go on the road with your family, people are incredibly friendly. A&M fans will also be impressed with how many SEC fans are excited to come down and watch games at Kyle Field. He might be coming down to College Station for the game against Florida on September 8th, but will for sure be in town with his family on October 20th for the game against LSU. He is ecstatic to come to town and is excited to have A&M in the conference.

* Believes that the future of the SEC is not at 14 teams and is instead at 16 teams. What you are going to see at 16 teams is four, four team divisions. He thinks they would put A&M in a division with Arkansas, Missouri and LSU. If you were to win your four team division, you would then go to a four team play off and the winner would be crowned conference champion. When the SEC went to 14 teams, he was one of the first people to say that they would not go into a market that they were already in. He thinks the next two states the SEC will go to during expansion are North Carolina and Virginia for the reason of expanding their footprint.  If he was a betting man, he would guess that North Carolina State with their football tradition would be invited and so would Virginia Tech. Thinks that the final four of the SEC championship would rival March Madness’ final four in terms of attention it would get going forward. With the four division set-up, it gives the conference the ability to hold together more of those long time rivalries and also allows the conference to cycle through games more rapidly because you don’t have to play every team in an eight team division every single year.
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Clay Travis unleashes on 'Horns & praises A&M for SEC move

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Clay Travis unleashes on 'Horns & praises A&M for SEC move
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Clay Travis is my leader. Wish we had an Aggie slanted journalist like him out there to cover the SEC from the Texas perspective. I love how he antagonizes Alabama fans and how he's a UT insider that is also free to bash his school when needed.

2 favorite quotes from today:
"In the SEC we don't understand the arrogance of Texas given their lack of success on the field. They had 1 MNC in 40 years. They act like they're an elite winning school like USC or Alabama when they have the resume of Washington"

"People are wrong when they complain that the SEC is top heavy. That's like complaining that a woman's boobs are too big. Yes the best 2 teams in the nation are in the conference but it is also stacked with solid teams"

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agman08
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I didn't listen (didn't really have time, but I loved the cliff notes).
I need to get off here until August because I'm already too excited.
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the playoff format sounds really cool!
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regarding Texas, A&M heading to the SEC


Might want to remove the comma, because right now that is worded like t.u. and A&M are headed to the SEC.
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yeshellyes
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Yet another whorn spending their time on an Ag site telling us how insignificant we are. Obsession with A&M noted.
Almighty God of Football
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I am glad to see that you realize you are insignificant.
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I think someone needs to put that bong down!!! Aggies are way better off going tham listen to the t.u. arrogant *******s like you!!!
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UT is in the SEC, dumbass troll

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Almighty God of Football
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aggiebacker71...The truth really pisses you off, doesn't it? Show me with facts how I am wrong!! And pinche gringo, you bb brain, the only real UT is in the Big 12.

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pinche gringo
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That's the coolest story ever! Please tell it again!
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With all those wins; you would think they would have more titles than everyone else too.....but they don't. Why is that?




Dallas Ag00
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Alrighty, not almighty. I know you will not be able to comment for another 24 hours because of your rookie status but please understand how pathetic you are. Yes, thank you for all the "facts" from the past and proving that the ignorance of this land is so pervasive that people still buy tu crap after a 5-7 and 8-6 seasons. Thank you for supporting the thesis behind Idiocracy. (I know that's a Mike Judge film and he is whorn suppoter, don't wast your time.)

But facts are facts and right now, today, ahora, in the real world, the SEC is without a doubt superior to the Big XII-2+1.5/3. Good luck in your conference while trying to beat Baylor at something.

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Alrighty goat of football guy needs to head out. The arrogance of texas supporters is ridiculous. Texas tries to perceive the notion that it is a diversity driven university that takes in all yet they hate everyone who did not go to school in Austin regardless of school. Criticism is not taken lightly. hehe

Hispanic people ask me all the time why did I go to A&M. I went to A&M because it did not matter if you were brown, black, white, purple or whatever, you are family. We are family when we win and in rebuilding times.

Aggies are family and no other university shows that more than we do. Football is family time.

Gig Em
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So much fail in such little space....



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KM edits in BOLD

Almighty God of Football <== means I am an Alabama fan if I am using this name

on the remarks of Clay Travis...typical uninformed jealous of UT twit granted Clay is an alumni of VU (who hold an 8-3-1 record against tu) but he is a fan of the University of Tennessee and knows quite a bit about the Vols ...hummingbird mouth, elephant rear end yes, these attributes make it easy to snap players like Colt like a twig - thanks for noticing what the Tide do best. Cold hard facts...UT has the second most wins in college football historyactually they are #9 all time but it is hard to be #1 with all the talented teams in the SEC. I guess if the Vols padded their stats playing against the likes of Baylor for most of their history they would have more wins too, 853, far better than any sec team. In head to head competition UT owns the sec, obviously you are a Vol fan because everybody knows that Bama > UT95-46-4 and 7-1-1 over the tideobviously an idiot who counts wins against Arky before they were in the SEC as SEC wins - did you get your degree from lubbock?. As for the gaggies, in the 100 plus years years of our existence we absolutely own you in football, baseball, basketball and most of the minor sports as well. We have a much larger and wealthier fan base and a higher academic ranking. Not to mention that last year our athletic department brought in well over $100 million , $94 million in football alone with $64 million in profit...Both figures are number one in the nation, far better than any sec school and far far better then the little gaggies. And it gets better....we get to live in Austin, you have to live in colley station. So, gaggies, we are not arrogant, we are simply better than you, in sports, in wealth, in academics. As for the sec, the only people who think it's worth a crap are the people in the sec. The rest of the nation sees them as an academic wasteland of knuckledraggers. Football program has 2, maybe 3 good programs, a few average programs, and a few poor programs. No different than any other conference. And by the way, gaggies, you will enter the sec as one of the poor programs and will fight it out with ole miss for last place in the sec west. Hook'em and go Big 12!aside from the fact that you show emotional distaste for A&M, you sure do seem butthurt now they are leaving tu and the B12 -1-1-1+1-1+1 in their rear view mirror





As Jules would say "allow me to retort"

#1 UT has 6 MNC's and tu has 4 : UT > tu
#2 UT stadium ~ 103,000 since 1996 and tu stadium ~ 100,000 since 2009 : UT > tu
#3 UT is 1-2 vs tu all time in football : UT < tu
All 3 games were played in TX in the 50's & 60's. I would not crow about that until tu plays @ Neyland for the first time
#4 UT has the Vol Navy and tu has ??: UT > tu
#5 UT has guy + gun + dog and tu has a nutless cow : UT > tu
#6 UT has awesome tailgaters and tu has corporate folks : UT > tu
#7 UT has the SEC and tu has the B12: UT > tu
#8 UT plays well with others and tu is a narcissistic loner : UT > tu

as for your tu vs the SEC numbers, try learning how to count with that fancy degree from austin.

Here are the actual numbers from 1932 (when the SEC founded) to 2012 and listed by school with 91' SEC expansion in bold:


Alabama vs Texas : 1-4-1 total : all in bowl games
01.01.1948 Loss @ New Orleans 7-27 (Sugar Bowl)
12.17.1960 Tie @ Houston 3-3 (Bluebonnet Bowl)
01.01.1965 Loss @ Miami 17-21 (Orange Bowl)
01.01.1973 Loss @ Dallas 13-17 (Cotton Bowl)
01.01.1982 Loss @ Dallas 12-14 (Cotton Bowl)
01.07.2010 Win @ Pasadena 37-21 (BCS NC)

Arkansas vs Texas : Since joining SEC : 2 - 2
01.01.2000 Win @ Dallas 27-6 (Cotton Bowl)
09.13.2003 Win @ Austin 38-28
09.11.2004 Loss @ Fayetteville 20-22
09.27.2008 Loss @ Austin 52-10


Auburn vs Texas : 3-2
12.30.1974 Win @ Jacksonville 27-3 (Gator Bowl)
09.17.1983 Loss @ Auburn 7-20
09.15.1984 Loss @ Austin 27-35
09.05.1987 Win @ Auburn 31-3
09.21.1991 Win @ Austin 14-10

Florida vs Texas : 0-2
09.30.1939 Loss @ Austin 0-12
12.07.1940 Loss @ Gainesville 0-26

Georgia vs Texas : 1-3
01.01.1949 Loss @ Miami 28-41 (Orange Bowl)
09.21.1957 Loss @ Atlanta 7-26
09.20.1958 Loss @ Austin 8-13
01.02.1984 Win @ Dallas 10-9 (Cotton Bowl)

Kentucky vs Texas : 0-1
09.22.1951 Loss @ Austin 6-7

Louisiana State vs Texas : 5 - 6 - 1
10.05.1935 Win @ Baton Rouge 18-6
10.03.1936 Tie @ Austin 6-6
10.02.1937 Win @ Baton Rouge 9-0
10.01.1938 Win @ Austin 20-0
10.04.1941 Loss @ Austin 0-34
09.18.1948 Loss @ Austin 0-33
12.09.1950 Loss @ Austin 6-21
09.20.1952 Loss @ Baton Rouge 14-35
09.19.1953 Win @ Baton Rouge 20-7
09.18.1954 Loss @ Austin 6-20
01.01.1963 Win @ Dallas 13-0 (Cotton Bowl)
01.01.2003 Loss @ Dallas 20-35 (Cotton Bowl)

Mississippi vs Texas : 1-2
01.01.1958 Win @ New Orleans 39-7 (Sugar Bowl)
01.01.1962 Loss @ Dallas 7-12 (Cotton Bowl)
12.17.1966 Loss @ Houston 0-19 (Bluebonnet Bowl)

Mississippi State vs Texas : 2-1
09.07.1991 Win @ Starkville 13-6
09.05.1992 Win @ Austin 28-10
01.01.1999 Loss @ Dallas 11-38 (Cotton Bowl)


Missouri vs Texas : never played as an SEC member

South Carolina vs Texas : never played as an SEC member
which is good because tu never beat USC before they joined the SEC

Tennessee vs Texas : 1-2
01.01.1951 Win @ Dallas 20-14 (Cotton Bowl)
01.01.1953 Loss @ Dallas 0-16 (Cotton Bowl)
01.01.1969 Loss @ Dallas 13-36 (Cotton Bowl)

Texas A&M vs Texas : never played as an SEC member

Vanderbilt vs Texas : never played as an SEC member
Which is good because VU owned tu before the SEC 8-3-1

In summary : tu vs SEC
Alabama = 1-4-1 : 1 - 0
Arkansas = 2-2-0 : 2 - 2
Auburn = 3-2-0 : 1 - 0
Florida = 0-2-0 : 0 - 0
Georgia = 1-3-0 : 0 - 0
Kentucky = 0-1-0 : 0 - 0
LSU = 5-6-1 : 0 - 1
Mississippi = 1-2-0 : 0 - 0
MSU = 2-1-0 : 2 - 1
Missouri = 0-0-0 : 0 - 0
USC = 0-0-0 : 0 - 0
Tennessee = 1-2-0 : 0 - 0
Texas A&M = 0-0-0 : 0 - 0
Vanderbilt = 0-0-0 : 0 - 0


SEC vs tu = 16 - 25 - 1 all time / 6 - 4 since realignment

so how do you get 95-46-4 ? please show your work, as I have shown mine

RTR !!
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I am glad to see that you realize you are insignificant.
Says the whorn spewing on an Ag site. What a moron.
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...and that's why the longhorns are gutless to face us in any sport.

To 1,000,000 touchdowns ...and beyond
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I'm diggin' Kentucky Mustangs comparisons!

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Kentucky Mustang you should know t-sips don't have to show their work. They think their God and their opinions should be taken as gospel. What they need to understand--their attitude and their network both prove their self absorbed thoughts and behavior.
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"Almighty", do all those stats earn you more money, women, or ensure better health? Probably not, so keep regurgitating all those "RELEVANT" facts to yourself in hopes that one day they might actually mean something. Maybe one day all those "RELEVANT" facts will lead you to prosperity. I sincerely hope they keep you warm at night and give your existence meaning. We "poor gaggies" are excited about our decision and our future. You will always have your "RELEVANT" facts so cherish them, cuddle them, put them in soup and eat them, because that is all they are good for. Enjoy going backwards and living in the past as we move forward and look to the future.

Being this is an aggie forum and you cared enough to join, please have the courtesy to refrain from posting that tu saying, it makes you look like a Piece Of Sip.

Gig 'em!
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This guy is awesome.
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You'll never hear from that dude again...typical.
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great work my Aggie friend--beat the sip back to austin--remember "keep austin wierd"--you did your part in keeping him beaten back.
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Hey sheep humpers, how are things in hicksville? dallas ag00, apparently they did not teach you to spell correctly at cow college. KM, you are drinking the kool aid again.I was not aware people in Kentucky could read but you must have made those figures up from thin air. I went to VU's web site, they have only played 3 times with Texas winning 2. Go to http://wiki.answers.com. Texas is 95-46-4 against current sec members, 7-1-1 against bama.Here is the real record against bama. 1902, 1915, 1922, 1947, 1960, 1964, 1972, 1982 all wins...2010 loss. I count 7, KM or maybe the sec does math differently.
Go to http://collegefootball.about.com or simply google winningest college football teams.
1.Michigan 888 wins 2.Texas 853 wins 3. Notre Dame 845 wins 4. Nebraska 836 5. Ohio State 825
My sources are just as reliable as yours!

Gotta go, it's a little past 1700 hours. For you people with average intelligence that's 5 o'clock and for you gaggies the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 5.
gaggie joke. Why are gaggies girlfriends such cheap dates? You don't have to buy them dinner, you just put them out to pasture and let them graze.
As always ou sucks, gaggies swallow. 27-25 FOREVER!

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He edited his message 4 times and it still reeks of the intellectual capacity of a 7 year old coloring on the wall?
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quote:
again my responses in bold
Almighty God of Football who still resides in the state of Alabama, not austin, hate to break it to ya

Hey sheep humpers, how are things in hicksville? dallas ag00, apparently they did not teach you to spell correctly at cow college. KM, you are drinking the kool aid again.I was not aware people in Kentucky could read but you must have made those figures up from thin airnice try, but you are actually disrespecting Texas by not knowing that my handle refers to a unit in the fight for Texas independence, and does not refer to a specific state - to they not teach Texas history at that school in austin?. Go to http://wiki.answers.com. why go to google which can be altered when you can check on tu's own websiteTexas is 95-46-4 against current sec members, 7-1-1 against bama. Go to http://collegefootball.about.com or simply google winningest college football teams.
1.Michigan 888 wins 2.Texas 853 wins 3. Notre Dame 845 wins 4. Nebraska 836 5. Ohio State 825
My sources are just as reliable as yours! it is you my misinformed fellow, as mine are better than google, and come from tu's own web site!



I do not know what you studied @ austin, unless you did not actually go there, and got your gear from the local Wal Mart - which is okay because you are just donating to Arkansas and the SEC when you buy that stuff! again....




"allow me to retort"

I got my information from macbrown-texasfootball dot com, here is the link I used from my previous post. If I am incorrect in my research than feel free to alert me to errors on that site!

Be glad I did not count your 8 losses to Vanderbilt in my totals, and I also did not include the Iron Men of Sewanee who came to austin in the early days of football and shut out the nutless cud chewers 12-0. It is bad enough to lose that many times to Vanderbilt, but Sewanee is now a Division III team and your all time record against them is 4-3. Ha ha, you make me smile when you barely have a winning record on a D III team, and ALL 7 games were played in the state of Texas because widdle tu was to scared to play Sewanee in their home state of Tennessee! All 3 of the UT vs tu games were played in Texas, and 8 of the 12 games against Vandy were played in Texas. Could it be tu is 0-4 playing current SEC teams OUTSIDE the state of Texas from Tennessee?

as for your all time numbers, here is the top 20 by MNC's according to google, here is the link for you :
Teams with modern history in BOLD

Princeton = 28 : first 1869, last 1950
Yale = 26 : first 1872, last 1926
Alabama = 14 : first 1925, last 2011
Michigan = 11 : first 1901, last 1997
Notre Dame = 11 : first 1924, last 1988
USC = 10 : first 1928, last 2003

Pittsburgh = 9 : first 1915, last 1976
Harvard = 7 : first 1890, last 1919
Ohio State = 7 : first 1942, last 2002
Oklahoma = 7 : first 1950, last 2000

Penn = 7 : first 1894, last 1924
Michigan State = 6 : first 1951, last 1966
Minnesota = 6 : first 1934, last 1960
Tennessee = 6 : first 1938, last 1998
California = 5 : first 1920, last 1937
Cornell = 5 : first 1915, last 1939
Georgia = 5 : first 1927, last 1980
Illinois = 5 : first 1914, last 1951
Miami = 5 : first 1983, last 2001
Nebraska = 5 : first 1970, last 1997


gee, that is all those schools with more hardware, and I was generous for not adding Pitt with their 1976 MNC, and yet tu is nowhere to be found on this list? Why? Because pollsters all through the history know how many W's in tu's history were against weaker teams. Heck, the best thing tu did was join the Big 12, and even then they were only #3 in the conference behind OU and Nebraska. Even Miami who only has 566 wins has 5 MNC's and they did not even get their first till the 1980's - which viewed another way means the "U" has you 5 to 1 !!!! Nebraska has 856 wins and 5 MNC's between the first 4 tu got and the last one against Southern Cal.



For sheets and giggles here is tu's record vs these schools outside the confines of Texas :

Alabama = 3-1 : first 1902, last 2010 => 16 point loss in BCS
Michigan = 1-0 : last 2005 => 1 point win in Rose Bowl
Notre Dame = 1-2 : first 1934, last 1995 => 28 point loss in South Bend
USC = 1-2 : first 1955, last 2006 => 3 point win in Rose Bowl
Ohio State = 2-0 : first 2005, last 2009 => 3 point win in the Fiesta Bowl
Oklahoma = 4-2 : first 1901, last 1922 => 25 point win in Norman after World War I
Tennessee = 0-0 : NEVER played outside of Texas
Georgia = 2-0 : first 1949, last 1957 => 19 point win in Atlanta
Miami = 0-1 : last 2001 => 5 point loss in Miami
Nebraska = 6-1 : first 1933, last 2010 => 7 point win in Lincoln

So much for tu going on the road and putting it on the line against the top teams of all time! Here is where most of tu's wins came from (a Top 10 if you will) :

#1 A&M = 76 wins
#2 Baylor = 73 wins
#3 Rice = 71 wins
#4 TCU = 61 wins
#5 Oklahoma = 59 wins
#6 Arkansas = 56 wins
#7 SMU = 47 wins
#8 tech = 46 wins
#9 Oklahoma State = 22 wins
#10 Southwestern = 20 wins

OU is the only one in the bunch with MNC bling in the modern era, now tell me again about how impressive tu's wins are?

ps, as you have edited since the post above :

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Here is the real record against bama. 1902, 1915, 1922, 1947, 1960, 1964, 1972, 1982 all wins...2010 loss. I count 7, KM or maybe the sec does math differently.



I guess in addition to not teaching you math in austin, they also did not teach you to read! The SEC was founded in December of 1932, and 1902, 1915, and 1922 were all before 1932
Here is the wik link you the short bus riders from tu!

again, for the really slow folks wearin burnt orange :

SEC charters 12.1932, since then games between tu and Alabama are as follows ....

01.01.1948 Loss @ New Orleans 7-27 (Sugar Bowl) : #6 bama 8-3 / #5 tu 10-1
12.17.1960 Tie @ Houston 3-3 (Bluebonnet Bowl) : #9A #10C bama 8-1-2 / NR-A #17C tu 7-3-1
01.01.1965 Loss @ Miami 17-21 (Orange Bowl) : #1A&C bama 10-1 / #5A&C tu 10-1
01.01.1973 Loss @ Dallas 13-17 (Cotton Bowl) : #7A #4C bama 10-2 / #3A #5C tu 10-1
01.01.1982 Loss @ Dallas 12-14 (Cotton Bowl) : #7A #6C bama 9-2-1 / #2A #4C tu 10-1-1
01.07.2010 Win @ Pasadena 37-21 (BCS NC) : #1 bama 14-0 vs #2 tu 13-1

Now where I was taught math back in the day, which was not the University of Kentucky OR Southern Methodist University, that means the record of tu vs Alabama in the SEC is 4-1-1 and 4 of those 6 games were played inside the Texas state line.
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Hey Almighty, you've just about gotten all the insults in, except for one that I can think of. You have yet to refer to all us Aggies as Nazis.

Stupid tsip, go back to Asstin and dry hump a lamp post. We're going to the SEC to play in a real league.
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Dude, don't cry. It's only football.
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Attention K-Mart shoppers! Almighty God strikes back! KM, you are a delusional twit and you can't read. I stated Texas versus bama, not Texas versus bama only since they been in the sec. And our record is 7-1-1. You can wipe the wins out of the record books if it makes your little mind feel better.And I didn't see you explain where you got the VU 8-3 record against Texas when their own web site shows 2-1 in favor of Texas. Did you just make that up? What else did you make up? Makes all your so called facts suspect. I stand by my sources and the whole VU thing makes your sources a little shaky. As far as the UT record against weaker opponents, it is no different than any other top program. They all fatten up on weaker program. That is why they are called weaker programs.. And to make your figures relevant you need to examine the relative strength of each particular school on the month and year in which they played. Same thing for road losses. Every program wins less on the road and more at home.So break down all of the top 25 programs over the history of their school and show them to me. Otherwise what you have presented makes you nothing more than a nattering nabob of nonsense. And there is no way you can juggle the figures to demean our 853 wins and 4 national titles. Which is exctly 4 times as many as the gaggies have won. As for your move to a better (in your mind) conference, in no way, shape or form does the act of joining elevate your status or football program.That is something you have to earn. Last time I checked, you still have the same ragged bunch of chokers minus some of your offensive talent plus your usual recruiting class of 3 star and no star talent. Actually, I hate to see you go. You have provided UT so many sports victories and so many jokes but I guess hillbilly west is a better fit for you. There are several poor rural states for you to play in and starkville, oxford, tuscaloosa etc are little backwater towns just like collie station. You will fit right in.
As always, ou sucks, gaggies swallow! Oh yeah, Cinco, you are a Nazi.
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Almighty God of Football sure loves the SEC for giving them all those MNC's

posted 5:26p, 02/22/12

KM, you are drinking the kool aid again.I was not aware people in Kentucky could read but you must have made those figures up from thin air. I went to VU's web site, they have only played 3 times with Texas winning 2



from the following tu web site :

Vanderbilt 1899 1928 3 8 1

from VU's AD web site :

page 165

VU is 12-11-4 vs the B12
VU is 08-03-01 vs tu



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Texas is 95-46-4 against current sec members, 7-1-1 against bama.



You are implying by your post that tu is awesome against the SEC, yet you omit the truth in your post. I asked you to show me where tu had played against an SEC opponent 95+46+4 = 145 times. You can not, so you try and backpedal when you have been exposed in a lie of intentional omission. It is folks like you that give the teams they claim to support the black eye, because the outside world thinks you are a real fan, and not the troll you really are. I am sure there are probably decent tu fans, and it is sad that folks like you give them a bad rap.

look I am happy to give tu their props for playing bama close in those games back in the 60's - 80's and getting 4 wins, but that was then, and this is now and tu is just trying to think they are the monsters they were for about a decade in the 1960's. The game has passed you guys by because you are so concerned about getting a win that you will not risk playing better teams during the season. Your OOC in 2011 was Rice and BYU (who only lost by a point) at austin, and pitiful UCLA on the road. Still the best you could do was 7-5 and the Holiday Bowl? Seriously?



I put this up on another thread, maybe it will sink in your narrow brain!


The big thing is the seismic shift in the Big 12. A few years ago :

#1) They were the legitimate #2 conference in the country
#2) They had 30% of the top brands in OU, UNL, and tu
#3) They had 7 AAU schools in a 12 member conference
#4) They had an established CCG with CCG pioneer SEC for media presence and added conference money
#5) They had Kevin Weiberg (the brain trust behind the BTN and PTN)
#6) They had a monopoly footprint covering TX, MO, CO, OK, IA, KS, NE, and 48+ Million people


Now :

#1) They now fighting with the ACC for #4 conference status
#2) They lost Nebraska, and their "brand" status
#3) They have 3 AAU schools left in a 10 member conference
#4) They lost their CCG while allowing the B1G and PAC to gain one
#5) They lost Kevin Weiberg to the B1G, and now the PAC
#6) They lost CO, MO, NE and must now share TX with the SEC and Big East. A net loss of 2 states and ~ 24 MILLION people
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Jeebus! Remind me NEVER to get into a debate with KentuckyMustangs...

Honestly KM I mean that as a compliment... Just a suggestion tho... Maybe take baby steps with the data... 1) Helps the less intelligent contender understand, and 2) Takes out the "Baffle 'em with bullcrap" appearance!?

Regarding the sip rook: Arrogance is one thing... But, being arrogant, and not even recognizing (or being afraid to recognize it) it just plain ignorance. Not EVEN an "ignorance is bliss" kind of thing, but just a vicious cycle. Very much an addictive problem.
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As for the sec, the only people who think it's worth a crap are the people in the sec.
Teasip delusion at its finest!
Kentucky Mustangs
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Almighty God of Football,

(who appears ignorant to the facts that tu is not the Gods they think they are)

Here is tu's Top 10 win totals, with MNC's for opponent since World War II with modern MNC's in BOLD :

#1 A&M = 76 wins : ZERO MNC's
#2 Baylor = 73 wins : ZERO MNC's
#3 Rice = 71 wins : ZERO MNC's
#4 TCU = 61 wins : ZERO MNC's
#5 Oklahoma = 59 wins : (7) 1950's =3, 1970's = 2, 1985, 2000
#6 Arkansas = 56 wins : (1) 1964
#7 SMU = 47 wins : (2) 1981 & 1982
#8 tech = 46 wins : ZERO MNC's
#9 Oklahoma State = 22 wins : ZERO MNC's
#10 Southwestern = 20 wins : ZERO MNC's

That is 10 MNC's total, and 70% belong to Oklahoma! Only 40% have been in the modern era!



Here is Alabama's Top 10 wins :

#1 Mississippi State = 74 wins : ZERO MNC's
#2 Vanderbilt = 58 wins : ZERO MNC's
#3 Tennessee = 48 wins : (4) 1950's = 2, 1967, 1998
#4 LSU = 46 wins : (3) 1958, 2003, 2007
#5 Mississippi = 45 wins : (3) 1959, 1960's = 2
#6 Auburn = 41 wins : (2) 1957, 2010
#7 Georgia = 36 wins : (3) 1946, 1968, 1990
#8 Kentucky = 35 wins : (1) 1950
#9 Southern Mississippi = 33 wins : ZERO MNC's
#10 Georgia Tech = 28 wins : (2) 1952, 1990

That is 18 MNC's total (or roughly DOUBLE tu's number) spread across 7 different teams! Six MNC's have been in the modern era to tu's 4, and that did not include the following:

Florida, because they have only beaten them 22 times : UF has 3 modern MNC's
Miami FL, because they have only beaten them 14 times : "U" has 5 modern MNC's
Penn State, because they have only beaten them 10 times : PSU has 2 modern MNC's
Clemson, because they have only beaten them 12 times : Clemson has 1 modern MNC's
Va Tech, because they have only beaten them 11 times : Va Tech has 0 modern MNC's



If you actually have a degree from tu, do the research so you can defend yourself in a debate





If not stay in your basement and not confirm you tu fan status

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