Red Wings set to do it again

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Tying for the league's best record, going in as the #1 seed in the Campbell/Western conference. They seem to be there every year (usually with the President's trophy in hand), and it's time to bring yet another championship to Hockeytown. The Stanley Cup should just be stored in Detroit, it spends a lot of time there.

Go Wings!!!
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They have not won one since 2002 and it was four years before that when they won their one before that.

If anyone should stake claim to the cup, it would be New Jersery that have won two in the last 6 years.

Red Wing fans are like Minnesota Twins fans

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Well, since '95 (if you can even count the shortened year) when hockey started becoming big (read mainstream), the Wings have 3 cups, the Devils have won 3 cups (counting the short year) and the Av's won 2. Those were your 3 elite teams. You can try and knock the Red Wings all you want, but they are great, a storied franchise, and their legend continues to this day. Only the Canadiens have more cups, and they haven't won it since '93.

Oh, and your "2 in 6 years", try "3 in the last 9 seasons" for the Wings. Including, since '95, 9 division championships (out of 12), 5 president's trophies and the most points in a season by any team with 131 (before the new scoring), and the last team to win back to back Stanley Cups.

Try again with your devils, they don't come close.

And just to preempt, the Wings also won 2 of 3 division titles before that.

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Wings are probably the favorite in the West right now, and up there with Buffalo as the favorites overall. However, this is the NHL playoffs, so you never know who is going to end up playing for the Cup. I wouldn't be surprised if Calgary made a run through the Western Conference at all, like Edmonton did last year as the 8 seed.
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Detroit gets fat off of the weak Central Division then gets exposed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

It happened last year....
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Dumb Post. Red Wings out by the 2nd round.

I'm The Count!
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Playoff time is not the time to be hurting for defensemen. Lidstrom has tailed off this season and won't be near 100% going in. Chelly doesn't have the strength. They will both be outplayed by Phaneuf/Hamrlik/Regehr. Iginla will step it up, but as always goaltending will win this series. Look for a repeat of the last time they faced off, Flames in 6.

Go Flames!
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Detroit 1-0!!!!!

And I think that Detroit will win this series. This is a different Detroit team (think Calder, Bertuzzi and Dats is finally healthy for a playoff run).
ColoradoMooseHerd
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1. Montreal has the most Stanley Cups and Toronto Maple Leafs are number two, Detroit is number three

2. Since 1956 how many stanley cups has Detroit won? Three

So basically in the last 50 years they have 3 Stanley cups. Yes it spends so much time there (Sarcasm).

In that same amount of time

Montreal Candadians have won 17 Stanley Cups with the latest coming in 1993

Edmonton Oilers have 5 Stanley Cups
Toronto Maple Leafs have 4 Stanley Cups
New York Islanders have 4 Stanley Cups
New Jersey Devils have 3 Stanley Cups

So don't act like Detroit has been some kind of home to the trophy or anything.

And if you want to talk recent history, comparing Detroit to New Jersey is laughable. New Jersey was founded in 1974 in Kansas City, moved to Colorado in 1976 and to New Jersey in 1982.

All the History for the team has happened in the last 25 years.

In the past 12 years
Three Stanley Cups
Four Conference Championships

And in the past 10 years
they have seven division championships

So basically a team with zero history is matching your Detroit Redwings stat for stat.

kb2001
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Do I really need to copy/paste my post? You just noted with good accuracy that the Devils have had less success than the Red Wings in the past 12 seasons. During the Devils' greatest stretch in team history, they still haven't been as good as the Wings. I've already posted the numbers. I also said that the Red Wings, Devils, and Avs have really been the three elite teams over that time period, but you missed it b/c you're too busy on your knees with Steinbrenner.

And your numbers are way off. Detroit has more Stanley Cups than any team except Montreal, as I've already stated. And Montreal is like the Yankees, 26 cups I believe, so quit being ridiculous. Nobody comes close to them. But, for your history, there was a 30+ year stretch where either the Wings, the Habs, or both were in the Stanley Cup finals, the Wings were in about half of years, the Habs about 3/4. Spare me your selective numbers. I was speaking about the current era of hockey. If you want to go far back in history, go back all the way.

Comparing the Devils to the Red Wings is like comparing the Twins to the Cardinals. New team with a flash of success vs a historically great team with multiple championships, second to one team, and more success in the modern era as well.

Wings rule, and will bring the Cup home to Hockeytown this year. Devils, what a laugh
ColoradoMooseHerd
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How many titles do the Toronto Maple Leafs have and how many do the Red Wings have?
kb2001
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So are you a Devils fan or a Maple Leafs fan? You sound like another Northstars fan who's bitter at their place in the second rung. Watching the Wings and Avs newly developed rivalry and the fierceness it has become since the Nordiques transplanted, and left wanting a piece of the pie.

11-11 if memory serves correctly. You can look up your own numbers, this is off my head. I'm through dealing with a Red Wings hater. Kings of the Campbell, greatest coach of all time (take your pick, Bowman or Addams), domination on the ice. All you've managed to do is regurgitate things I've told you about the past 12 years, and still "your" Devils fall short of the Red Wings greatness. I'm through with you.

Bringing the Cup home to Hockeytown, again.
kb2001
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Your lame attempt to latch on to other teams in your hatred of the Red Wings is pathetic. Go away
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Detroit only has 10 stanley cups and the majority of those came when the league only had 6 teams.

Maybe you want to try again because Toronto has 13 cups.

If you are such a fan of the Red Wings, why do you not know their history?

You probably are only a bandwagon fan, but that is cool
kb2001
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Your numbers are wrong. I may be off, but by no more than one. I could believe 11-10. Bandwagon my-a$$. Been a Wings fan since I discovered Hockey at age 12. Hard to find that sport in Houston. Still, keep jumping on Devils bandwagon, or the Leafs, or whoever you can just to hate on the Wings. They'll still win it, and you'll still be pissed off.

And, by your lack of response, I see you've acknowledged the Wings dominance in the modern era (past 12 seasons). Let it sink in, it's all right. The team you hate is better than your team. Say it with me.

Bringing the Cup home to Hockeytown, again.
kb2001
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Yep, your numbers are wrong. Wow, off the top of my head I recall 11-11, and it turns out to be 11-10 for the Leafs. You can't even count properly. What a joke. You can't just jump on the wagon and know everything. You have to love it. Go away now, my Wings are on their way to yet another Stanley Cup.
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Detroit have 10 titles
1 1935-36
2 1936-37
3 1942-43
4 1949-50
5 1951-52
6 1953-54
7 1954-55
8 1996-97
9 1997-98
10 2001-02

Toronto has 13
1 1917-18
2 1921-22
3 1931-32
4 1941-42
5 1944-45
6 1946-47
7 1947-48
8 1948-49
9 1950-51
10 1961-62
11 1962-63
12 1963-64
13 1966-67
ColoradoMooseHerd
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My Wings..... WAFJ!

You are a bandwagon fan, just like the Edmonton fans of the 80's. You don't even know the history.
ColoradoMooseHerd
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Dominance of the past 12 years, no response?

Red Wings have been better, why? Because they have had to play in a real division.

Red Wings have beaten up on a bunch of losers, yeah for them.



kb2001
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Stanley Cups genius. Stanley Cup didn't represent the Championship until 1927. Holy Crap, now you can't even read
kb2001
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Any attempt to say that the Wales/Eastern Conference was better than the Campbell/West over the past dozen seasons shows your ignorance on the sport. New Jersey, on the other hand, has had a relative cake walk through the playoffs every year they've won it. Until the past couple seasons, it has been well-accepted by anybody with a brain that the Cup is won in the Western Conf chamiponship.

And for the record. When I started watching hockey, the Wings had just come off a last place finish, and were in the midst of a 3rd place finish. I "jumped on the wagon" before they started their run that claimed 3 Cups, 11/15 (or 9/12, however you choose) division titles and 5 President's trophies. You on the other hand, didn't even know it existed before the Northstars moved, and you don't even know when the Stanley Cup was adopted. And the "Maple Leafs" of pre-Cup were not the Maple Leafs, they had 3 other names before that. Any head about the NHL knows that the championship didn't matter until the Stanley Cup, much the way that baseball stats pre-1900 aren't counted in the grand scheme.
kb2001
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I think the ownership is complete here. Go read a hockey book and come back at me. You might actually sound like you know what your talking about. As it is now, you sound like an ESPN-educated Stars fan who is bitter about being in the 2nd rung, and on the outside of greatness looking in. That 3 year stint they had is long over and they won't come close for a while.

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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Then in 1915, a gentlemen's agreement between two professional hockey organizations, the National Hockey Association (NHA) and the Pacific Coast Hockey Association (PCHA), was reached in which their respective champions would face each other for the Stanley Cup

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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If you want to count Challenge Cups

You can add two more on there
kb2001
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EDIT- you changed your posts so my response doesn't start off making sense. You said "11 > 10, right?"

Yep, and 11<>13. FYI- you also said Toronto Maple Leafs, not Toronto, but semantics aren't important. I guess by your reasoning, the Ivy league schools hold record for the most college football national championships also. The fact that you have tried to hop from team to team in a futile attempt to say the Red Wings have not been dominating for the past dozen seasons, and historically one of the best franchises in the NHL is what the joke is here. You have failed miserably. I recall one number 11 vs 10 incorrectly, and you somehow think this matters? You're pathetic.

You posted the numbers yourself, the Red Wings have been better than any team in the modern era. Only one comes close, but still not there, and I already acknowledged them as being a close second, although the Devils did have an easier time of it playing in the East. Just give up, you won't be able to do it. The Red Wings are it.

Bringing the Cup home to Hockeytown, again.

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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And you realize that teams have changed names before and that does not change their team history.

Washington Bullets/Wizards for example do not restart their history, just because someone got PC
ColoradoMooseHerd
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The Modern Era? Is that when you turned 12 and jumped on the bandwagon.

LMAO
kb2001
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Doesn't change the fact that the Stanley Cup marks when hockey numbers are kept. Even when you try to be clever, you still fail.

And if you knew you hockey history you would know that the teams didn't change names, they folded and were started anew. Houston Texans <> Houston Oilers. When they got it together, and the names stuck, it was 1927, the Cup was donated by Lord Stanley, and that marks the NHL as it is viewed today. If you were an actual hockey fan, and not a internet searcher, you'd know all this and more.

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kb2001
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As I said up at the top, I was being nice to the little teams like New Jersey and said,

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Well, since '95 (if you can even count the shortened year) when hockey started becoming big (read mainstream)


Try again. It was simply me being fair and recognizing that most teams today can't compare with the legend that is the Detroit Red Wings, and keeping their domination on a level playing field. It was a gift, and you threw it away in a desperate attempt to try and disprove the Red Wings illustrious history.

Give up now, you're just making a fool of yourself.
kb2001
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And, no I was 16 when that season should have begun
kb2001
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Anything else, Stars/Devils/any-team-in-a-vain-attempt-to-knock-the-Wings-down fan?

I've sufficiently put you in your place repeatedly, and you've exhausted the internet trying.
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http://assets.mapleleafs.com/assets/history/all_time_record_year_by_year.pdf

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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Try again. It was simply me being fair and recognizing that most teams today can't compare with the legend that is the Detroit Red Wings, and keeping their domination on a level playing field.


So how did the red wings do before that period of time?

Lets say in the 60's or the 70's and most of the 80's?
kb2001
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Your link doesn't even get the Championship trophy right. They'd probably consider the Montreal Maroons as part of the Canadiens history. Or the Arenas!

LOL

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ColoradoMooseHerd
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The Maple Leafs have 13 Stanley Cups, check the link
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