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Agreed!! Very well acted. Loved it.

WOW! What an episode. Anyone complaining is just TRYING to find something wrong. Simply phenomenal.

I think tonight's scene between JR & Walt served as a precursor to a very emotional, father telling son goodbye scene in next weeks episode.

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So tell me Hank, what is your next move, exactly? I mean specifically? You gonna perp-walk me through the station like Popeye O'Doyle? Arrest your wife's sister for money laundering, leaving our children wards of the state? Tell me, Hank, how do you plan on explaining that all your physical therapy was paid for with drug money? How will you convince all your colleagues that you haven't been in on it from the beginning? As I see it, you were also one of the last people in contact with Hector Salamanca just hours before he blew up Gus Fring, and he specifically asked for you. Who's to say you didn't give him the bomb so he could take out Fring on my behalf? Or should I say *our* behalf? Please, tell me Hank, what is your brilliant plan for bringing me down without destroying your entire life and everyone you love? Because I'm dying to know!

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The point of the bloody napkin was to show how casually they killed a group of people and thought nothing of it later.

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It seems that was already established when Walt hired them to kill 11 people within 2 minues of each other in prison.

Or after they killed all the people in the desert and then said "take everything".

Not sure why the writers would think they'd need to show "their blatant disregard for human life" with such a subtle "shot" after they already established that with much more obvious means.

that taped confession

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Could someone refresh me on the whole Walt poisoning Brock thing.

How did Jessie not realize the ricin cig was missing until now? And why did Walt need the cig if he had the extra ricin behind the outlet?

Just don't quite remember and need a quick refresher.

Wasn't there a scene where Mike casually wiped some blood off of himself after killing somebody? I seem to remember that. Maybe that scene last night was a reference to that.

Jesse "found" the ricin cigarette in his Roomba after Walt planted it there (which was actually salt since Walt had taken the actual ricin vial and hid it in the White house). The doctors eventually discovered that it WASN'T a ricin poisoning with Brock. The scene where Jesse is looking at his pack of cigs is him realizing that Huell had lifted the ricin cigarette previously just like he lifted his bag of weed off of him last night.

I'm not clear on how jesse put two and two together on that whole broke thing.

I think the point of why they showed the blood on the shoe was:

a) to establish in the timeline that that scene took place immediately the massacre of Declan's people.

b) to reinforce how little they're worried about getting caught, tying in with the open conversation about the train robbery.

c) to juxtapose their concerns about the state of the country as discussed in the bathroom with their disregard for human life.

It was a character point, not a plot point IMO.

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Could someone refresh me on the whole Walt poisoning Brock thing.

How did Jessie not realize the ricin cig was missing until now? And why did Walt need the cig if he had the extra ricin behind the outlet?

Just don't quite remember and need a quick refresher.

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They found the ricin cig in the original episode...it was in Jesse's roomba vacuum cleaner. The ricin in the outlet it one and the same.

Edit: what Junkhead said. The significance of the pack of cigs in Jesse's pocket was that it helped him put two and two together.

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He made really good grades at Dillon High. Things just went downhill for him after High School

Jesse had never really gotten past the suspicion that Walt poisoned Brock, IMO. That moment was the final clue he needed to put two and two together and realize it was him all along.

That's not something you just forget, and the reason people think it's such a stretch is because we, the viewers, haven't seen that particular plotline in two years, but to Jesse it's only been a few months. I think whenever people watch the entire show in quick succession, it will fall into place a lot easier for most. It's no more a stretch than Hank figuring out Walt with the book.

Not to repeat myself, but last night was one of the most intense hours of television I've ever seen. I was stressing out just watching it. Aaron Paul knocked it out of the park, IMO, and that episode should be his Emmy submission for next year.

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Even Marie's kleptomania?

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Edit: the fact that she had a history (not an official record, because Hank cut a deal with APD) lend scredibility to Walt's story.

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Jesse had never really gotten past the suspicion that Walt poisoned Brock, IMO. That moment was the final clue he needed to put two and two together and realize it was him all along.

That's not something you just forget, and the reason people think it's such a stretch is because we, the viewers, haven't seen that particular plotline in two years, but to Jesse it's only been a few months. I think whenever people watch the entire show in quick succession, it will fall into place a lot easier for most. It's no more a stretch than Hank figuring out Walt with the book.

Not to repeat myself, but last night was one of the most intense hours of television I've ever seen. I was stressing out just watching it. Aaron Paul knocked it out of the park, IMO, and that episode should be his Emmy submission for next year.

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I think the point of why they showed the blood on the shoe was:

a) to establish in the timeline that that scene took place immediately the massacre of Declan's people.

b) to reinforce how little they're worried about getting caught, tying in with the open conversation about the train robbery.

c) to juxtapose their concerns about the state of the country as discussed in the bathroom with their disregard for human life.

It was a character point, not a plot point IMO.

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Hank pointing out to Jesse that "he really did a number on you" and then Jesse acknowledging to Walt that he thinks he's been working him the entire time is what set up him finally making the pickpocket/ricin connection. Some posters on here think it's flimsy that he seemed to finally make the connection out of nowhere (and that's fine), but the point was they set it up for him to be questioning EVERYTHING Walt does. That realization wasn't made in a vacuum just based on the fact he'd previously accused Huell of pickpocketing it and realizing he did pickpocket the weed. It's just part of the whole pattern/puzzle of acknowledging he's being worked, and he also knows that Walt was with him looking or the cig when they "found" it. Not a hard leap to make that Walt could have easily planted the cig to be found. It also magically showed up in a Roomba that Jesse had checked previously (empty when Walt wasn't there, then they find it with the cig when Walt was there).

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I've read all the explanations about the ricin cigarette and I still don't get it. Someone needs to explain this to me slowly and step by step. What we know is that Walt poisoned Brock with Lily of the Valley. How he did that is never explained. We also know that Walt has Huell and Saul get the ricin from Jessie. Walt then manipulates Jessie into thinking Gus poisoned Brock. But where would Gus get ricin? (And, by the way, what poison does Gus use when he drinks it himself and kills the cartel?) Why would Jessie think Gus had ricin? And then, when it is revealed that it was Lily of the Valley, not ricin, why would Jessie in this last episode make the connection to a poison that was NOT used to kill Brock?

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This is what I don't get as well.

When Brock initially got sick, Jessie couldn't find the Ricin cigarette... He immediately thought that Brock had gotten into his cigarettes and eaten the ricin.

This got jessie all worried that HE (Walt) was responsible for it... putting him in a very emotional state... an emotional state that Walt was able to use to "play" Jessie with the story about Gus.

Once Jessie "found" the ricin cigarette in his Roomba, then everything Walt told him was confirmed and now Jessie was really on Walt's side.





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1) Walt makes ricin and gives it to Jesse to kill Gus. Jesse puts it in a cig so that he'll have it on him when he gets a chance to kill Gus.

2) Gus and Mike are playing Jesse, reeling him in, and Jesse struggling to go through with it.

3) Walt is realizing he's running out of time and that Jesse may switch sides and agree to cook, making Walt disposable. Part of this realization is made when he put the GPS tracker on Jesse's car and realized he had dinner with Gus (a great time to use the poison in his mind) - but had lied and told Walt he hadn't seen Gus.

4) Walt has Huell pickpocket the ricin. Walt poisons the Brock with "Lily of the Valley" with ricin-like symptoms except it doesn't kill him.

5) Jesse accuses Walt of poisoning Brock, thinking Huell pickpocketed him when he got patted down on a visit to Saul.

6) Walt convinces Jesse that Gus must have poisoned Brock (he's used children before) and lifted the cigarette from his clothes while Jesse was cooking at the lab. This solidifies Jesse in Walt's corner against Gus.

7) Walt tries to kill Gus when he visits Jesse at the hospital (car bomb).

8) Walt does kill Gus with Hector (senior citizen bomb). Jesse solidifying on Walt's side was the reason Walt learned about Gus visiting Hector in the home. Without Jesse, Walt has no idea this could be an option.

9) Brock pulls through and they realize it wasn't actually ricin.

10) Walt then plants a fake ricin cigarette in Jesse's house/Roomba that they find together, to help explain where the ricin actually went.

However, when realizing Huell was able to pickpocket him along with digesting that Walt has basically been playing him the entire time, I don't think it's a huge leap for him to put it all together. Again, you have to consider that he didn't find the cig when he checked the Roomba WITHOUT Walt there, but then found it WITH Walt there. Walt being there when it was found helps with him making the connection.

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I've read all the explanations about the ricin cigarette and I still don't get it. Someone needs to explain this to me slowly and step by step. What we know is that Walt poisoned Brock with Lily of the Valley. How he did that is never explained. We also know that Walt has Huell and Saul get the ricin from Jessie. Walt then manipulates Jessie into thinking Gus poisoned Brock. But where would Gus get ricin? (And, by the way, what poison does Gus use when he drinks it himself and kills the cartel?) Why would Jessie think Gus had ricin? And then, when it is revealed that it was Lily of the Valley, not ricin, why would Jessie in this last episode make the connection to a poison that was NOT used to kill Brock?

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He made the connection because he knows Walt has always been playing him. Ex. Talk in the desert.

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You've pretty much got it. We know he has Huell lift the ricin cig, in order to have Jesse believe Gus had his own guy lift it and poison Brock. After a lot of convincing and a brilliant display of acting (by Walt, not Cranston), he had him back in his corner.

But Jesse wasn't fully convinced Gus was behind it. Once they were told it was actually Lilly of the Valley, Jesse told himself he simply lost the ricin cig and the poisoning was just the kid accidentally ingesting the berries. But he still couldn't shake the feeling that he didn't lose the cigarette. He kept looking for it, driving himself crazy, until Walt comes over, plants the decoy, and "finds it". Jesse loses his ****, telling himself he's stupid, an idiot, etc.

But once he realizes his weed was lifted by Huell, he instantly made the connection -- Huell lifted the ricin, on Walt's orders. Walt was behind the whole thing. He storms into Saul's office and beats the **** out of him and he confesses, and now there's no doubt.

Yeah, the whole key to this is that Jesse is finaly realizing just how much Walt has been working him the entire time, so he's soul-searching everything. It's no accident that they included Hank's discussion about Walt doing a number on him and then Jesse accusing Walt of constantly working him earlier in the episode.

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The scene you are thinking of if Mike cleaning some of Victor's blood off his coat following the Box Cutter episode. I think it's important to bring up, because Mike was a little horrified at having Victor's blood on him, while this dude couldn't care less about having blood on his shoes.

Well ****.

Really wild ass prediction:

The scene with Todd in the diner takes place in the future and the blood was Lydias

I appreciate everyone's replies. I have no doubt you guys are correct in the sense that you have figured out what the writers' clearly intended us to understand.

I just wish I had been able to "get" all that as I watched it.

I'll tell the truth. I had completely forgotten that the ricin was behind Walt's electrical socket, and I thought Jesse had smoked the ricin. I kept waiting for him to keel over. When he was waiting for the guy to come pick him up and started grabbing his pockets and going through his cigarettes, I thought he had realized he had smoked the ricin and was going to die.

So I was not following the writers' logic behind this scene at all, but it was my own fault. I'll have to wait a day or so and go back and watch End Game and this one again. Thanks again for all the help.

unless they only want to cook for the southwest they need lydia for the Czech pipeline

Agree with the posters above that the bloody boot and the open train heist conversation is much more of a character-explaining plot point to clarify how these guys don't give a flying ****. They are cold-blooded and not cautious at all.

I think Todd either sucks at cooking or maybe blows himself up accidentally (Declan mentioned a fire on Todd's second cook), and then they target Walt to cook. That's when the **** hits the fan in yet another way, and likely more violently permanent for some of Walt's family. They, and possibly Lydia, are Walt's targets in the flashforward.

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