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One other question, where are all the people who were crying and *****ing about the cliff hanger in last week's episode? Those people sure seem to be awful silent on the matter after last night's stellar episode. Cutting that episode off with when the shooting started was perfect because this weeks gave us 15 minutes of the most intense TV I have ever watched with everything that happened after the gun fight. From Hank dying like a man, Walt losing his mind, Jessie realizing he is screwed, Walt losing his money, Walt getting some money back, Walt wanting to hurt Jessie in the worst way possible and ending with the knowledge that everything Walt worked for has been completely and utterly destroyed, there is no way that could have been fit in at the end of the episode. We as fans were much better served with that being the start of this episode.

It is just like the cliff jumpers who get on TexAgs during the middle of a football game and make an ass out of themselves when things are not going great.

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Haha, my thoughts exactly.

I'm waiting for Walt to go on a downwards spiral of depression and start smoking that meth.

At the deepest point of his depression he gets his hands on the new stuff everyone's raving about...he hits it like a boss and...wait what's that after taste...is...is that chilli pepper!?

*cue M60 scene*

Why would the Nazis care about meth cooking anymore? They have $70M already, their main concern should be staying out of jail - killing witnesses, finding the DVDs and tying up loose ends.

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What show are you watching? One of the great things about this show is how subtle and underplayed it is at times. Makes the "**** hitting the fan" moments all the more crazy.

Also, to anyone that has marathoned recently, do we ever see what happens to Walt's original confession tape from the pilot?

I want Skyler and Walt Jr to watch it somehow before the end. Hopefully they see Walt with some small shred of human decency before it's all said and done.

Scanned the last couple pages and didn't see this posted.

The episode title was PERFECT -- "Ozymandius" is a poem whose central theme is the inevitable decline of all leaders, and of the empires they build, however mighty in their own time.

I LOVE this show and here is the text of "Ozymandius":

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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

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With the Nazis I don't think it is just about the money. I think it is also about being Nazis. So cooking meth is right up their alley. And that $70 million can be much, much more than that if they cook and distribute overseas. They won't get caught as long as the logistics stays in-tact.

I don't know how more decency Walt can show. He just got Skylar out of trouble and sent his little daughter home (incidentally, I don't know how they got that baby to act that way bnt it was pretty good). Now Walt is leaving it all behind because that is what is best for his family.

Walt is not Adolph Hitler. Yes, he has done some rotten things. But as I have said on this thread previously he is not even the worst man on this show. Not by a long shot. And yes, I think that video is going to come back up.

Last night was one of the greatest roller coaster rides of emotions, and through all of it, I still don't know if I truly hate Walt or not.

• Pleading for Hank's life, and the despair that follows: *Aww, he still is a family man-ish.
  
• "Jesse, I watched Jane die": ICE COLD DIE WALT DIE
  
• Tries to get the family to pack up to safety: *What a keepe....
  
• Knife fight: DIE WALT DIE AND DON'T KILL JUNIOR, HOLLY NOOO!
  
• Victimizes Skyler and his family, still trying to protect them: *See guys, he's not that bad.

***I know he's done some not-so-lawful things, killed a few bad apples, manipulated everybody like marionettes, and poisoned a child, but for a character who I've followed and rooted for for six years, part of me wants things to end for him on a reasonably high note.

Am I a bad person?




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Also, this was the climax. The next two are the "dénouement".

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There still could be another climax out there involving a machine gun.
I don't get how people think Jesse can blow up the lab or poison Todd. Did they not see the blatant threat to Brock? Jesse knows that if he does anything wrong Brock is dead.
What an intense episode. My wife had to leave the room crying when Walt took Holly.
Walt has to figure out a way to get his barrel of money to his kids. If he doesn't, then everything was for nothing.

As mentioned above, what makes you think the Neo-Nazis got into the meth business as a retirement plan? Do you seriously think that just because they have most of Walt's money they are going to ride off into the sunset and chill on a beach somewhere? Hell, it showed Todd chaining up Jesse to cook some more. Todd is not doing that on his own. Greed and just their general mindset will keep the Nazis in the meth game.

And are you so sure Skylar won't take Walt's money? Even after she realized he was intentionally taking all of the blame and rescuing her from prosecution?

This sets up in the exact same scenario that Gus was in with the Mexicans. Walt goes to the Nazis (who think they have won), in a showing of peace, and humbly agrees to work with them. Then he takes them out. I'd say he uses the ricin on them, but is that enough ricin to take out more than one person? Maybe the machine-gun is just a backup, and never gets used.

Prediction: 1) Ricin for Lydia and 2) .50 cal for the Nazis to get back his money and free Jesse.

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Blowing up Gus. Tuco's office. The cartel shootouts. Even shooting up the Suburban this past episode, and Walt coming out untouched. Which I guess can be seen as symbolic, that the only time he gets hurt is by the people closest to him. Not much realism in that aspect imo.

The Wire was almost documentary like in its first season. It was a social commentary on how the war on drugs effected almost every single aspect of Baltimore. The neighborhoods, politics, and education. How neighborhood lowlifes transform sections of a city into business empires.

The Wire to me, is like The Godfather. And Breaking Bad is Scarface. Both great at what they do, but different in what they communicate. Its comparing oranges to tangerines. Breaking Bad to me is very over the top. A lot of coincidences occur. Not like The Wire, where for the most part, things were plotted and planned methodically.

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To say the show is nothing but exaggerations is not only exaggeration, it's wrong.

Exaggeration would've been for Walt to have shown up to Tuco's office with an M60 and shot the place up, killing everybody and taking the money. What he did was earn Tuco's respect.

Also not sure how blowing Gus up was exaggeration. It was a small bomb, in a nursing home, that killed 3 people.

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Prediction: 1) Ricin for Lydia and 2) .50 cal for the Nazis to get back his money and free Jesse.

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He has a 50 now too? The M60 wasn't enough?

will Walt have the decency to eventually let Marie know where Hank is buried?

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My God man, WTF is wrong with you?? Hate to be one of those people that makes other people feel dumb for not enjoying a program but c'mon seriously...

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Breaking Bad to me is very over the top.

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this character is not at all an exaggeration

Something we haven't talked about is that walts house is trashed before he gets back and were not sure how or why

I love this show, I've seen it since season one. But, I see it differently because of how much I compare it to The Wire. I appreciate Breaking Bad for what it does. Its one of the greatest shows of all time, no doubt about it.

But don't get salty because I don't feel its a realistic portrayal of all things involving meth. Its a great show. I'm not arguing that.

Plus, I'm still ticked Pinkman wasn't whacked. Ive been asking for that since season 3.

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Dude ... it's just a television show. I would like to hear your impression of the Bible.

maybe this has already been asked but i'll ask again.

the moment it was happening, i knew what Walt was doing on the phone. absolving Skyler. i was with him through that. but what I still don't understand is why take it to an even further level by taking responsibility for Hank?? did i miss something? is there a reason he had to go this far with it?

i also think this is an under rated comment/aspect from earlier in the thread: maybe Walt ingests the ricin right before turning himself in? he confesses everything, declares the location of Hanks body, says he and he alone was running the show (absolving Skyler once again) and 2 days later he's dead and Skyler and kids get the money after all somehow.

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Probably obvious at this point, but IMO it's either Marie or the Nazis. But considering Skyler and the kids are gone, I'm thinking the Nazis take out Marie, and they leave the house before the Nazis come and trash it. (Maybe use vacuum man.)

Then again, I haven't predicted a single thing correctly all season.

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Dude ... it's just a television show. I would like to hear your impression of the Bible.

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I'm comparing two shows. One a bit more realistic. And both revolving the drug trade. That's all. Why I think one is better, compared to the other, and its blasphemous to some. Both great in their own right. I love them both. 1A and 1B imo.

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Believe it or not, if you go to the East Coast, it isnt a secret that some of the people that got hired were from the 5% Nation, guys who converted while locked up. When Biggie Smalls was killed, a sketch of the assassin, was almost identical to the character of Brother Mouzone. His character was based on these types of people in the East Coast.



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the moment it was happening, i knew what Walt was doing on the phone. absolving Skyler. i was with him through that. but what I still don't understand is why take it to an even further level by taking responsibility for Hank?? did i miss something? is there a reason he had to go this far with it?

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I was kicking myself for not getting it right away, even though I knew that Walt wasn't being genuine.

I think he took responsibility for Hank so the DEA doesn't go after the Nazis, and his money is still recoverable.

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hyper-competent, erudite, Louis Farrakhan assassin

Looking back would you enjoy this season less if you didnt know that Walt was coming back?

I called this episode. What do I win?

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So the Nazis are in control. They have the weapons and numbers there at the site. Assume they kill Hank and Gomez. Maybe after another hour of shooting. Whatever.

At this point they would feel Walt owes them big time. They just killed two DEA agents. Walt should cook for them. But Walt has another idea. He would plead for them to spare Jesse from being killed. And then Walt would convince the nazis that Jesse is a better prize since he is not dying and just as good a cook. If the Nazis flee the scene taking Jesse, Walt has all his money back. Assuming Jesse does not tell the nazis about the money.

Also, didn't Marie wear black in that last scene. Like a widow. She almost always wears purple.

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Ummm...did you watch the episode?

etcetera! etcetera! etcetera!

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In my opinion, to let Marie know. Hank is dead. No reason to hope. No reason to search. He's gone.

Harsh, but kind in a way. Holding out hope to find a dead man alive would have driven her crazy.

I think the conversation with Saul in the previews takes place before he leaves with the vacuum repair guy.

I think the Walt's family will be under police protection from here on out because he is a criminal mastermind and is on the loose.

They might try to hit Marie but I bet she will be pretty much protected too.

Claiming Hank added validity to the claim that Walt would kill Skylar if she didn't play along.