buy owning Hank's murder and threatening Skylar with a similar fate, it furthers his narrative that she has been held in her circumstance under duress

Why does the destruction of Walt's house have to be some big plot point, done by one of the significant characters? Maybe it is, but its just as plausible that the writers were simply indicating that it had been vacant for a while and that Walt's secret identity was a well known fact now, known by even skater punks who are now using his pool. Empty houses being used by vagrants and skaters tend to get abused and spray painted.

Anyone else notice the chess game being played by the firemen? If I remember right, the "White" king only had 2 or 3 pawns protecting it from a fairly stacked Black opponent. Anyone have a gif of that they can post? Could the absence of the Queen indicate that Skylar is killed?

Due to the tape, it's not over between Walt's family and the nazi's. I think that's what the .50 cal and the ricin are for - revenge for whatever the nazi's end up doing to get the tape back.

I don't buy any scenario where Walt intends to "save" Jesse. He sent him off to be tortured and killed, and did his best to stick a knife in him by telling him about Jane before doing so. Jesse may escape and survive this thing yet, but I don't think it will be due to Walt trying to save him. What I think is that Walt ends up indirectly/unkowingly saving Jesse via getting revenge for whatever the nazis do to Walt's family.

Also, I'm fine with the nazi's being a late wild card that brings Walt down. Walt was always the random wild card for everyone he took down, so it seems fitting that it's the case for Walt too.

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Why does the destruction of Walt's house have to be some big plot point, done by one of the significant characters? Maybe it is, but its just as plausible that the writers were simply indicating that it had been vacant for a while and that Walt's secret identity was a well known fact now, known by even skater punks who are now using his pool. Empty houses being used by vagrants and skaters tend to get abused and spray painted.

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Exactly! Tried to make this point a few pages back but I think everyone is more in love with figuring out the who painted "Heisenberg" and why. LOL.

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I think he took responsibility for Hank so the DEA doesn't go after the Nazis, and his money is still recoverable.

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Also he's protecting Marie and Skyler again. The Nazis will have surveillance on the body in the desert so if its dug up then they will take action.

So Walt is completely traumatizing his kids and destroying his wife and her sister emotionally, but it's all in an effort to protect them I guess. I'm lost.

I would like to see some Jesse = Jesus discussion as he's now been fully tortured to the extremes. And maybe Walt is redeemed in the end by being forgiven by a dying Jesse. But that would be the cliche ending.

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Agree. The house is "tainted" due to everything that has gone down, vacant, and **** happens to vacant houses.

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So the Nazis are in control. They have the weapons and numbers there at the site. Assume they kill Hank and Gomez. Maybe after another hour of shooting. Whatever.

At this point they would feel Walt owes them big time. They just killed two DEA agents. Walt should cook for them. But Walt has another idea. He would plead for them to spare Jesse from being killed. And then Walt would convince the nazis that Jesse is a better prize since he is not dying and just as good a cook. If the Nazis flee the scene taking Jesse, Walt has all his money back. Assuming Jesse does not tell the nazis about the money.

Also, didn't Marie wear black in that last scene. Like a widow. She almost always wears purple.

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you called it all right.

I look forward to the intense chess commentary from this episode.

Chess game makes it even more interesting! Walt has a "White Knight". Hmmmm.

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**** this show

I could be wrong, but I got the feeling that Todd was forcing Jesse to show him how to cook on his own. I thought it was weird that he was the only one that went to get Jesse out of his cage (he made sure no one else was around). Then, no one else was in the meth lab. Also, he seemed to be pretty gentle/kind to Jesse, most likely to make him want to help, etc.

I got the feeling Todd was doing this all on his own, because he wants to be able to make a much higher percentage meth. He knows this will impress his uncle, Lydia, etc and make him much more valuable.

To take it a step further, I think Todd came up with the plan of not killing Jesse in order to torture him and get information just so he could have Jesse teach him how to cook properly. He knew all along that he wanted Jesse to teach him, and the torture idea was just his way of keeping Jesse alive long enough to learn from him.

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Agreed, and wanted to post that, but I was too lazy and figured someone else would.

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I agree with the post about Todd's motivation, although I don't know whether he's secretly holding Jesse while the nazi's think he'd dead. I think he may have just sold them on the idea that he's useful, at least for a while.

Just had this thought, what is Jesse kills the Nazis and then comes after Walt's family?

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That's why I think Jesse will off himself and Todd when he gets the opportunity to do so. He has to know that Todd is keeping him alive only to learn how to properly cook. He also should realize that as long as he is alive, his ex-gf and Brock are in danger. If Jesse is dead, there will be no more reason to threaten them.

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When Biggie Smalls was killed, a sketch of the assassin

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As Chris Rock so eloquently put it, Biggie wasn't assassinated. He just got shot.


The premise of The Wire may be more "real" in that its based on real issues in Bawlmor with writing from an ex co. At least moreso than Mr. Chips becoming Scarface. But it isn't the premise, its what you do with it.

Unless you are Dr. J. Evans Pritchard reading poetry.

I also think that the scene with Jesse in the back of the car staring at Walt while it's driving away is the last time they see each other. Seemed like the writer's put that in there to make that indication.

Todd is one of those, you can't figure out his motivation for doing things. Seems like he's always trying to impress someone. Killing the boy, trying to talk to Lydia, and admiring Walt.

Lydia asks him to raise the quality of product, and Todd looks disappointed in himself. I'm sure he knew the only way to spare Jesse, was to give his uncle a reason to not kill him yet. Ever since Walt raised the standard of Meth, everyone has had a personal goal of reaching it, it seems like.

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I don't see a plausible scenario where Jesse makes it out. He's seen the Nazis kill 2 DEA agents, they have tortured him, and are now forcing him to cook. He may try to do a "murder/suicide" thing with gas from cooking, but we very well see Todd saying "ok, I got it now. Thanks man. BAM"

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I also think that the scene with Jesse in the back of the car staring at Walt while it's driving away is the last time they see each other. Seemed like the writer's put that in there to make that indication.

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I hope not, for the sole reason that for my personal satisfaction, this show wouldn't be complete without a final Walt vs Jesse showdown.

I think he took responsibility for Hank because he wanted to let people (Marie) know that he was dead but if he said it wasn't him or something like that, who knows what the feds could pick up on. The murder of 2 federal agents is going to draw a massive investigation. If that investigation hits upon the neo Nazi connection somehow, I think the results would be pretty bad for Walt's remaining family.

Maybe all those months alone really does change Walt and he is attempting a rescue mission. If he does, and he succeeds, I think Jesse kills Walt.

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I think he took responsibility for Hank because he wanted to let people (Marie) know that he was dead but if he said it wasn't him or something like that, who knows what the feds could pick up on. The murder of 2 federal agents is going to draw a massive investigation. If that investigation hits upon the neo Nazi connection somehow, I think the results would be pretty bad for Walt's remaining family.

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Also to let the cops know she was in danger from Walt.

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I would really like to see that too, but I just can't see Jesse escaping the Nazi's alive. That would just be too big of a stretch for me. Walt obviously doesn't come back for quite a few months, and as soon as Jesse shows Todd how to cook, he's toast. If they are both dead, there is no one left to cook but Walt and that is when his family becomes the target.

Does anyone remember the teaser picture released a while ago that had someone tied up and a sack over their head? People were analyzing the shoes and car to figure out clues. I can't find it anywhere.

I've always been on Walt's side watching this show. I don't know if I just love anti-heroes, or if I wanted Walt to keep winning because I wanted the show to continue, or what.

Last night changed all that. Sending Jesse off to be tortured and murdered with the knowledge that Walt watched Jane die was too far. I'm officially in the camp that wants Walt to die horribly. Unfortunately, it won't be cathartic unless Jesse is the one to do it.

I had a really odd reaction to that whole episode. I had to look away from the screen when they were wrestling with the knife; I was certain that he was going to accidentally stab and kill Walt Jr.

The reason for Jesse surviving the series is because he's been trying to redeem himself for the past couple or more seasons. Unlike Walt, Jesse was never comfortable with the dark things they did to get the money and stay safe. If there has been a "hero" to root for in this show it has been Jesse. Hank is a good guy, but just a bit player in the morality play that Walt and Jesse are in.
Jesse lives to give this show some redeeming quality in its resolution, and he doesn't go out in a blaze of glory killing Nazis/Todd simply because that's cheesy as ****.

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I suppose you could make a case for Jesse redeeming himself through death vs. Walt being punished by living in a purgatory away from his family.

I'm just not sure how I would be satisfied with that ending to Jesse's story

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I had to look away from the screen when they were wrestling with the knife;

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That was actually the first time in the series that I didn't want to watch. I wanted to look away.

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I don't see a plausible scenario where Jesse makes it out.

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I agree, especially since so much BB time elapses between last night's episode and when Walt gets the gun.

I could see Jesse finding some way to kill Todd and escape, but the Nazis would be on his ass and he's dead broke right now.

Walt could come back for the Nazis and Jesse could get free somehow due to that plan, but 1) there's no way Todd keeps him around that long and 2) even, if Walt sprung Jesse, I still think he'd put a bullet in him. Walt blames Hank's death on Jesse.

I think Jesse kills walt.

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I agree with the post about Todd's motivation, although I don't know whether he's secretly holding Jesse while the nazi's think he'd dead. I think he may have just sold them on the idea that he's useful, at least for a while.

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I don't think Todd is secretly holding Jesse while the others think he is dead (although I guess that's a possibility). I just think Todd is secretly forcing Jesse to teach him how to cook without the others knowing he is doing so.

If the others thought Jesse was dead, I would think this would mean Todd would have had to tell Jesse at some point that he was supposed to kill him or Jesse would have figured it out. It seemed like Jesse thought Todd was going to torture him some more when Todd came into the cage. The only possible way I can see that the others think Jesse is dead is if Todd was supposed to kill him right then when he went to get Jesse. This could be what was supposed to happen, but I have a hard time believing Jack would give Todd the responsibility to kill Jesse on his own. It seems like a job Jack would do or at least make sure is done right.

Little bit off topic, but, when Walt was rolling the barrel through the desert did anyone else get reminded of a Dung Beetle?