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Know Your Enemy
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They were at least leaving some doubt as to whether it was elevating the threat (beyond just the picture) or he'd actually do it.

The way he kept looking inside the house I was expecting him to kidnap Brock.
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I don't know. I can't get a read on what Gilligan is going to do. On the one hand, it wouldn't make much sense for Walt to go after Gray Matter at this point. However, Walter White (and Heisenberg) have clearly been given the "credit" for creating the blue meth empire. The whole mechanism for him finding out is because Gray Matter is on Charlie Rose defending their association with the meth kingpin.

With regards to Jesse, I can't see Walt going out of his way to save him. And in a way, I can't really see him going out of his way to get his money, knowing that his family can't get it and doesn't want it.

It seems like through this whole series, Walt's driving motivation has been his righteous indignation at losing out on the recognition he believes he deserved. Being wronged by Gretchen caused him to give up his stake in Gray Matter. It's clear that Walt never got over that. He could barely stomach going to the birthday party. When they tried to pay for his care, he was incensed. When Gretched questioned him, he eviscerated her in a devastating diatribe.

Now consider that Walt is a man capable of blaming Jesse for getting Hank killed. So much so that he flipped from being the guy who wanted Jesse put down like a loving pet to agreeing to his torture and murder. And all without recognizing (or at least appreciating) the role he played in it.

Where am I going with this? Walt is going to blame Gray Matter for everything. In his twisted mind, had he never been pushed out of Gray Matter, he would have had the money to provide for his treatment and his family without having to cook meth. Gray Matter is Walt's convenient scapegoat for losing his wife, his children, his brother-in-law's death, and pretty much everything bad that happened in his life. Walt has been incapable of accepting responsibility, and I don't see him doing it now. And as he's sitting there in the bar, about to lose even his freedom, he's reminded by Gray Matter of what he had and "they took from him" as he's being publicly discounted and disavowed.

I don't think Walt's done with Gray Matter. Maybe he rolls up on the Schwartz house with the M60 and just demolishes it.

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And as for protecting his meth legacy, maybe the ricin is for Jesse. A sneaky way to put Jesse down now that he knows the Nazis are keeping him to cook Walt's product. And wouldn't that be an appropriate end for Jesse? To be poisoned by the very vial of ricin he wouldn't use on Gus, that he thought had poisoned Brock, that he nearly killed Walt over?

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Well, I hope you're wrong about Grey Matter, because I think murdering Elliott and Gretchen would be the silliest ****ing thing I could imagine. It would be like letting the writers for Dexter come in and write this final episode and clumsily wrap up the series like they did with Dexter.

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I don't think he's going to murder them. More just making a lot of noise to let them know he's not dead and he hasn't forgotten. Plus, it kind of goes with the series promo "Remember My Name"

Personally, I can't think of a way for Walt to kill 7 or 8 crazy Nazi hit men holed up in a compound by himself.

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Well, I hope you're wrong about Grey Matter, because I think murdering Elliott and Gretchen would be the silliest ****ing thing I could imagine. It would be like letting the writers for Dexter come in and write this final episode and clumsily wrap up the series like they did with Dexter.

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Better idea. Dexter kills Walt.
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How long was last nights episode? 1 hour not including commercials? It was definitely longer than normal.
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Either way, attacking them or anything around them would be completely goofy.

Everyone will know Heisenberg returned when he commits a mass murder of nazis.
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Personally, I can't think of a way for Walt to kill 7 or 8 crazy Nazi hit men holed up in a compound by himself.


Several pages back, my theory about the ricin was that this would be a two stage kill. He draws some of them out and hits them with the ricin, which allows time to move on the rest with the M60 before further suspicion is raised. They also don't realize he's gunning for them yet. They walked away thinking they were square. Not that they trust him entirely by any means, but they don't know he's out for them and that they better be ready to bunker down.

And he's not going to survive it. Maybe he doesn't get them all, but I think he gets Uncle Jack and I think Todd ends up dead too.

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Know Your Enemy
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So Walt bribed the bartender to get him out of the area, right? He had $100K and no gun, so that's his only way out that I can figure. And when the cops went busting into the bar I didn't see anyone inside.
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After reading yalls comments about todd, I guess I'll partially retract my miscast statement. I guess I'm just too used to seeing him bumble around awkwardly on FNL
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there was some lady in the bar
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You're doing something right with a character when in one scene he's serving ice cream and the very next scene he's shooting a young mother in the head in cold blood - and the viewer is surprised by neither.
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Surprised Landry didn't use a pipe when he took out Epic. (FNL Deep Cuts).

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Tyra ***ked him up in the head in friday night lights.
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episode was 75 mins last night.

i just don't know how they are gona get this entire thing wrapped up in the next 75 mins. i know they are moving at a pretty fast pace now but still. shoulda gone 2 hours

poor little Brock..

maybe a few yrs from now he'll get his own spinoff as because of his tragic childhood he now becomes a drug kingpin of his own. a guy can dream i guess.

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I'm assuming he bought the bartender's car and left.

The question now is does he go back to the reservation to get his barrel of money?

I would think so but that's a pretty big risk and as motivated as he looked watching the news report I'm not convinced he does.

Going to be a great finale!
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Todd not only served him ice cream. He gave him three different flavors. He also apologized to Andrea before he shot her.
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i just don't know how they are gona get this entire thing wrapped up in the next 75 mins.


The best thing about Breaking Bad in my opinion is its pacing. They slow it down when he needs to be slowed down and they speed it up when it needs to be sped up. There were certain story arcs which I thought would take multiple episodes to wrap up and address only to have it played out in 5 minutes (in a satisfying way).

The first Hank/Walt confrontation in the garage. I thought it would take Hank two or three episodes of spazzing out and thinking it through before confronting Walt. Nope. Took 5 minutes and resulted in one of the best and most intense scenes in the series.

I trust the showrunners to resolve the series in 75 minutes in a good way. It can be done.
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With only one episode left, I don't see Gray Matter playing a role... Simply not enough story time left to suddenly bring any of them back into the story-fold. It was the "straw that broke the camel's back" as a previous poster said.

The machine gun seems like it's likely for the nazis and the ricin seems like it's likely for Lydia (in her tea).

Which could very well mean the Nazis die a ricin death and Lydia gets machine-gunned.
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And I'd also guess that rather than Walt going to the Nazis, its Walt drawing the Nazis to him -- ala the end of Scarface.
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Maybe the ricin doesn't get used
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This would make a great Saturday Night Live skit akin to the one Shatner did at the Star Trek convention. Get all of you in a room that thinks everyone that does not bow down and admit this is the best show ever and have Cranston come out and say they ad libbed the last two seasons while high.
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Walt is in Heisenberg mode now so I don't expect any stupid screw ups this last episode.
Every move will be cold, calculated and brutal.

I'm thinking the sequence of scenes will go something like Lydia-> Jesse-> Nazis-> Grey Matter-> Family

My guess is the final scene will be death by ricin suicide for Walt.
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Maybe the ricin doesn't get used


That s*** better get used. Just like the show House, we'll finally get to see some Lupus.
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With only one episode left, I don't see Gray Matter playing a role..


to know/love Breaking Bad is to know that Gray Matter may always be revisited. we just learned that last night.
Head Ninja In Charge
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Gray Matter won't get used. It was just a catalyst. Multiple times throughout the show, Walt gets caught up in own ego. He loves power and control to the point where he will jump back into the game even though he's won/lost/quit.

Hank thought he had his Heisenberg with Gus at the dinner table and Walt suggested that someone else was still out there.

Walt was about to surrender last night, but Gray Matter put it out there that Walt was a nobody and contributed nothing.

Walt will tell everyone and their mother that his only motivating factor is/was his family. But just as much, if not moreso, is his need to control his own destiny and self-image.
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i was glad to see the return of hot principal last night.
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Only thing that would be worthwhile to introduce re: Gray Matters at this point is what caused the break up...there's some element of love gone wrong between WW and Gretchen, but I don't think it's ever been addressed. Might be one last insight into what is driving Walt's ego.
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i was glad to see the return of hot principal last night.


datazz.
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Help me remember (I'm drawing a blank)....how did Grey Matter (gratchen, etc) screw over Hank? I remember he had to sell his interest in the company before it took off, but I also seem to remember him getting screwed somehow. What exactly happened?
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I just don't get why Walt couldn't at least try to explain to Jr that he didn't kill Hank, that he did everything for them, that he still loves his family, etc.


When his wife and Walt Jr. put 2 and 2 together last episode in the house, it seemed to me like he was too busy doing what he always does, deflect/manipulate/conjure up a big lie to take any and all heat off of him...when he may have at least had a shot with them if he had tried to explain right off the bat that Hank was killed by evil white supremecist guys and that he offered all of his millions up to save Hank but that they just killed him anyways and took the money and that they needed to get the hell out of town before the nazis came after them.
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he sold for $5000 because he needed money at that moment and he didn't think the company was going anywhere at that point.
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Todd is going to kill everybody and the show ends
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i was glad to see the return of hot principal last night.

Carmen Serano
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Am I the only one seeing the connection between the ricin and Lydia always drinking tea with sugar/sugar substitute in it? They've made a pretty obvious point about it. Sure, it may be a feint on the part of the writers, but I'm still sticking to my earlier theory -
Ricin is for Lydia.
Gun is for the Nazis.
Walt frees Jesse in the process, those two go their separate ways, maybe without even any words spoken between them, but both knowing that their worlds have been completely destroyed and everything they did was for naught.
I'm adding in after last nights episode, that Walt shows up at the dedication ceremony for Grey Matter's new drug rehab facility, makes a big scene, and then either offs himself or goes out in a blaze of glory with the cops with the intention of dying.

Walt is not going back to save or kill Jesse, or because the Nazis didn't hold up their end of the bargain. He hates the Nazis because they have his money, killed Hank, and now are cooking and selling "his" product - the blue meth.
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