I thought the episode was great. Vince has a way of creating tension during scenes that were predictable. For example the scene with Walt at Elliot and Gretchen's, the scene at Sklyer's apt, and the showdown with the Nazis.

In each one we knew what was happening but the writing, acting, music, etc was so spot on it created immense edge of your seat tension. I think overall that's what pushed BB over The Sopranos for me.

One question I thought of while watching and then while watching Talking Bad afterwards...Would you consider Walt and Jessie adversaries?

fitting ending to a great show, predictable? sure, but so what, still executed well.

Do we really know that Walt is dead?

They confirmed that he's dead during talking bad

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Would you consider Walt and Jessie adversaries?

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Nah, however I think walt wanted jesse dead right up until he say him in chains.

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I thought the episode was great. Vince has a way of creating tension during scenes that were predictable. For example the scene with Walt at Elliot and Gretchen's, the scene at Sklyer's apt, and the showdown with the Nazis.

In each one we knew what was happening but the writing, acting, music, etc was so spot on it created immense edge of your seat tension. I think overall that's what pushed BB over The Sopranos for me.

One question I thought of while watching and then while watching Talking Bad afterwards...Would you consider Walt and Jessie adversaries?

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I wouldn't. A love-hate relationship in the most extreme possible context is what I would call it.

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Do we really know that Walt is dead?

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oh you

You're right. We don't know exactly why he left. We just know he walked away from both her (when they were dating) and the company, and then resented that they were able to make millions/billions off of what he saw as "his" work. This was all in the ATM head crushing episode.

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Do we really know that Walt is dead?

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I think you mean Hank.

Two notes I had.

Noteworthy that the name of show is Breaking Bad, not Broke Bad. Walt might have been doing it for himself all along, but he still had his moral code. At least to himself, he never crossed his moral line; he never broke bad.

Jesse is a free man. The only people who knew of his connections are dead (Hank, Walt, gang, Todd, Lydia, Gomie) or know very little about him and likely wouldn't say anything (Skylar and Marie). Of course, there is skinny Pete and Badger, but how much do they really know/they wouldn't rat anyway.

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I think you mean Hank.

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stop it!

Jesse is home free. Cops will get Heisenberg, and he'll get "credit" for the blue sky meth that'd been circulating for the past few months.

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Nah, however I think walt wanted jesse dead right up until he say him in chains.

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I think Walt realized the situation as soon as he heard the quality blue was still out there. He knew Pinkman was toast mentally and out of the business, so if he was cooking, he was doing it as some sort of nazi slave cooker. I think the partner hissy fit was just a ruse to locate Jesse.

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*) As pointed out on the Internet earlier in the week, the title can be read as the chemical symbols for iron, lithium and sodium (aka "blood, meth and tears") or as an anagram for "finale." It could also be referring to the Marty Robbins' song "El Paso," which plays in the tape deck of the stolen New Hampshire car, and which features a Mexican girl by the name.

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That is amazing - FE LI NA

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Jesse is a free man. The only people who knew of his connections are dead (Hank, Walt, gang, Todd, Lydia, Gomie) or know very little about him and likely wouldn't say anything (Skylar and Marie). Of course, there is skinny Pete and Badger, but how much do they really know/they wouldn't rat anyway.

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I dunno, as Lydia said, Jesse is a wanted man.

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Two notes I had.

Noteworthy that the name of show is Breaking Bad, not Broke Bad. Walt might have been doing it for himself all along, but he still had his moral code. At least to himself, he never crossed his moral line; he never broke bad.

Jesse is a free man. The only people who knew of his connections are dead (Hank, Walt, gang, Todd, Lydia, Gomie) or know very little about him and likely wouldn't say anything (Skylar and Marie). Of course, there is skinny Pete and Badger, but how much do they really know/they wouldn't rat anyway.

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Didn't so done say the Feds were looking for Pinkman?

Yes, but my interpretation is they wanted Jesse to get to Heisenberg. Now that he's dead, and has presumably been the one cooking the blue, the case is over.

Nobody else outside of Hank and Gomie knew about his involvement with Walt.

I won't lie, I had kinda hoped Jesse and Walt would have made up at the end.

Since that wasn't possible, I wonder had Jesse not seen the gunshot to the side of Walt, what Jess would have done, then. And if he had left Walt to live, how would Walt have taken himself out.

Hypotheticals, I know.

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Marie knows Pinkman was involved. She made him coffee just a couple of days before her husband was killed, so I'm sure she said something about him. That said, I'm sure the feds are quite happy to wrap Heisenberg up in a nice little bow, and the blue meth disappearing entirely now will probalby help keep heat off Pinkman.

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She doesn't know any details of his involvement though, does she?

No, she doesn't. However, they will have his fingerprints all over the nazi lab, the gun in the nazi house that killed Jack, etc.

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Even if she does, I don't see her caring enough about the feds catching him, especially considering he was the one helping Hank.

Right, but for all she knows, he may have set him up. Although I think it's more logical that she may think he's dead along with Hank and Gomey. Either way, we've entered "way overthinking this" territory.

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Thought it was great to see Jessie finally defy Walt when he asked to kill him. Jessie breaking free of the chains was much more than escaping the Nazis.

I also enjoyed seeing Badger and Skinny Pete back for a quick scene.

Great series with a fitting finale. Yes, it was logical and a little bit predictable, but it tied everything up nicely. I'm sure the missing $70m will soon surface as a MacGuffin in a movie.

I really looked forward to Sunday nights at 8pm - and the pages of discussion on this site that followed. I appreciate all the times someone has pointed out a subtle feature about the show that I missed out on.

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I have to admit..when we first planted that gun in the premiere, I didn't know what we'd do, or who it would be used on..Uncle Jack didn't even exist when we shot that- Vince Gilligan

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ahhh..the memories of me being MOCKED by a few of you who said i was completely wrong (even got called a name or two) when i informed you that this scene had been shot prior to them knowing what to do with it.

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No, she doesn't. However, they have all of Hank's case files, and they will have his fingerprints all over the nazi lab, the gun in the nazi house that killed Jack, etc.


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I assumed the nazis took all of the files and stuff from hanks house when they went looking for jesses confession. The house was pretty destroyed. The gun had 3 sets of fingerprints touch it during the final scene too. I'm no CSI expert but I imagine that would mess with any investigation.

As for the lab, maybe he wore gloves the entire time? Haha that's all I have

You're right. After I posted, I recalled their house being trashed and edited. Jesse's fingerprints all over the nazi compound will be mainly what they have.

Pickem results:

Alright, here is the results. Due to a controversial finish, I've decided to score Walt's death as correct for BOTH "Death by Other" and "Death by Walter White."

With that in mind, there is a tie for first place (with 24/24 points correct and the tiebreaker question correct) between FL_Ag1998 and MW03.

Top 16 with their answers to Walter White's death and who the ricin was intended for below. I awarded 0.1 for a correct tiebreaker answer. Hopefully the formatting comes through correctly.

Texags Username: Score Water Whites' Fate Ricin?
FL_Ag1998 24.1 Death by Other Lydia
mw03 24.1 Death by Other Lydia
BoerneAg11 24 Death by Walter White Walter White
Larrytate 24 Death by Other Walter White
SunDevilAg 24 Death by Walter White Walter White
Capstone 23.1 Death by Walter White Lydia
Whos Juan 23.1 Death by Other Lydia
A&M Iceman 23.1 Death by Other Lydia
Stinky '99 23 Death by Walter White Walter White
theSCHW4B 22.1 Death by Jesse Pinkman Lydia
wessimo 22.1 Death by Todd Lydia
Wolfpac 08 22.1 Death by Walter White Lydia
wessimo 22.1 Death by Todd Lydia
stoli7 22.1 Death by Skyler White Lydia
To**** 22.1 Death by Other Lydia


Link to spreadsheet with all responses: http://bit.ly/1fCRAZH

So for an episode that was so "predictable", we had 2 people out of 122 entries get it all right.

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Exactly.

so predictable as to be inherently unpredictable?

sounds like chemistry to me

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I thought this was a great finale because it was the right kind of predictable, ie it was inevitable

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great way to put it.

did anyone else get choked up during the apartment scene with Skyler, Holly, and of the worst..Walt Jr walking in?

also, was there any part of you that thought Walt was going to live when he was still standing and you could hear the sirens in the background? I will admit..I was holding out hope he lives and we get a movie. But that woulda taken away big time from the very poetic ending.