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I don't think we know how closely the cops inspected the car, or if they even inspected it at all. If I had to guess, they never got out of their vehicle and maybe just hit it with the spotlight, at most. Or they could have paused nearby for another reason entirely.

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they probably passed a light over it and saw that the snow on the car was undisturbed and figured no one would be in a car that was turned off in freezing weather. had they walked all of the way around, they would have seen the tiny section walt knocked away to see if the car was unlocked.

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Yes, but my interpretation is they wanted Jesse to get to Heisenberg. Now that he's dead, and has presumably been the one cooking the blue, the case is over.

Nobody else outside of Hank and Gomie knew about his involvement with Walt.

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Don't the Nazi's also have Jesse's confession video with Hank? I'd guess the police and DEA will find that after investigating.

I liked how the show generally ended. They wrapped everything up nicely and the ending scene was pretty good. But having said that, I wasn't a huge fan of the finale. It seemed a little rushed, and there wasn't enough intensity or emotion in it. With the previous two episodes, I was literally on the edge of my seat and feeling very strong emotions the entire time. It was perfect drama. But with the finale, nothing really hit me too hard.

For instance, I would have thought Walt's final interaction with Jesse would have been a little longer and more emotional. Walt's final interaction with Hank blew me away, but that didn't happen to me with the Jesse interaction.

Also, I think it would have been awesome and much more emotional if in the final scene Walt had cooked one last batch. Showing him going through the process one last time while we all know he is about to die and then having him look proud/content would have been AWESOME. Then they could have still had him lying on the floor to die at the end. This would have taken a couple extra minutes to show, but it would have been worth it in my opinion.

Loved the show and liked the final. There will always be things you can nit pick on. I just thought some emotional aspect of the final was missing and feel like they could have done a lot more emotional stuff (maybe they needed a two hour finale). It seemed like they were rushing to get to the end, which is a disservice to this series because it has never felt rushed at all.

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mavs,

as someone else mentioned earlier, i think the last scene shows Walt's admiration for Jesse and Todd learning the chemistry themselves. he actually got through to his "students" in a way he wasn't able to do as a true teacher.

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Intensity was probably a bad choice. Emotion is what I feel was lacking. And it wasn't that it was really lacking, I just don't think they spent enough time on it. For a show that was all about family relationships and the Jesse/Walt relationship, they basically showed a 1 minute clip of him talking to Skylar and then seeing Walt Jr and had him interact with Jesse for just a minute or two.

I felt emotion when these things happened, but it just didn't last long enough in my opinion.

Likewise, I really liked the last scene. But it wasn't long enough. The emotion was there, but it would have been GREAT if they made it last longer by showing him cook a final batch.

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and there wasn't enough intensity or emotion in it.

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That's funny. I can't remember my heart pounding during a television show like it did when Walt was reaching for the keys on the pool table while Jack was pacing back and forth. It was so agonizing that I remember thinking to myself, "Why are you so nervous about him getting the keys? You KNOW he has to get them. Relax." But to no avail.

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Why do people feel sorry for Jesse? He killed a man point blank to save his own arse. He deserved to die just like everyone one else. At the start you at least felt sympathy for Walt's cause, he genuinely wanted to save his family from hardship. In that process, is when he found his demons.

Jesse was a rich, delusional spoiled brat, who pushed Walt to keep cooking. If anyone deserved to die it was him. He introduced Walt to cooking Meth.

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were we watching the same show?

SHIVERS AND CHILLS PEOPLE!!!

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as someone else mentioned earlier, i think the last scene shows Walt's admiration for Jesse and Todd learning the chemistry themselves. he actually got through to his "students" in a way he wasn't able to do as a true teacher.

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That could be true. I took it as Walt kinda being proud and looking back on how good he was at cooking meth....he was finally really good at something in his life, etc.

The only thing I can't make out is how the police made out where to go. I presume their compound was in the middle of nowhere. Maybe that's wrong, though.

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That's funny. I can't remember my heart pounding during a television show like it did when Walt was reaching for the keys on the pool table while Jack was pacing back and forth. It was so agonizing that I remember thinking to myself, "Why are you so nervous about him getting the keys? You KNOW he has to get them. Relax." But to no avail.

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Yea, that was intense. When I said intensity, I was meaning the emotional/love/family type of intensity. It was a poor choice of words, haha. It definitely had intensity, but I don't think it was near as intense as the previous two episodes.

Part of me not loving the finale may just be how great the previous two episodes were. I didn't like the final as much, but the finale was still very good.

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When I said intensity, I was meaning the emotional/love/family type of intensity. It was a poor choice of words, haha

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Fair enough. I get what you're saying, but the inevitable conclusion was that Walt had ruined those relationships to the point that he couldn't have conciliatory goodbyes. A tearful Skyler actually having a conversation with him and allowing him to see his sleeping daughter, catching a glimpse of his son and Jesse not pulling the trigger were really the most Walt could've hoped for in terms of mended relationships before the end.

It would've been unrealistic to expect Jesse to join Walt for one last cook, for old time's sake.

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The only thing I can't make out is how the police made out where to go. I presume their compound was in the middle of nowhere. Maybe that's wrong, though.

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possibly. M60's aren't know for being quiet either.

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It would've been unrealistic to expect Jesse to join Walt for one last cook, for old time's sake.

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Yea, there was not way in hell Jesse would ever joint Walt for anything. But I think it would have been great if they showed Walt cooking a batch by himself at the end. I loved the ending scene, I just thought it was too short.

I loved the scene with Skylar/Walt Jr as well. I just thought it was a little too short.

We all should have known as soon as jesse got put in chains that todd was going to get Carradine'd in the finale.

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Yea, that was intense. When I said intensity, I was meaning the emotional/love/family type of intensity. It was a poor choice of words, haha. It definitely had intensity, but I don't think it was near as intense as the previous two episodes.

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Walt and Jesse did have a knowing nod exchanged before he got in the car. But maybe they could have brought it home with an "I'm proud of you, son", or have Walt be the one who gets the keys and unchains him. Meh

walt took jesse to the ground before he fired up the M60. that's about as close to "I'm sorry" as you'll ever get from WW.

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you really have to understand the time period of when the Sopranos came to television to truly appreciate why it was so amazing.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/20/sopranos_changed_the_television_industry.html

google how sopranos changed tv and you will get a slew of articles. The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Shield and so and so likely don't happen without The Sopranos.

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My only concern when I go back to watch The Sopranos and The Wire is how well they'll hold up. I just hope I didn't miss out on the opportunity to experience two amazing shows due to waiting so long to watch them.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't want some sappy over the top moment. I liked everything they did. It just felt rushed to me. I wish each scene could have been a little longer.

But I was a little tipsy when I watched last night, so maybe my perspective will change when I rewatch it.

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Why do people feel sorry for Jesse? He killed a man point blank to save his own arse. He deserved to die just like everyone one else. At the start you at least felt sympathy for Walt's cause, he genuinely wanted to save his family from hardship. In that process, is when he found his demons.

Jesse was a rich, delusional spoiled brat, who pushed Walt to keep cooking. If anyone deserved to die it was him. He introduced Walt to cooking Meth.

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This is all wrong.

1. He killed Gale to save Walt's ass. Jesse was perfectly okay with being dealt whatever cards were coming to him. It was Walt that implored Jesse to kill Gale "for the both of them" when in reality it was to save Walt's ass more than anything. He tried to do the same thing by imploring him to kill Gus with that ricin.

2. If anything, Jesse was pretty content with the early money they were making. He tried to get out numerous times literally asking Walt why he needed that much more money. Jesse tried to walk away after his girl choked on her vomit, after killing Gale, after the buyout proposition with the other dealer in NM, etc, etc. It was Walt that kept pushing Jesse to cook, not the other way around.

3. Jesse "introduced" Walt to cooking meth after Walt literally tracked him down to proposition the partnership. This was after Hank told Walt how much money could be made in the meth business.

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*) As pointed out on the Internet earlier in the week, the title can be read as the chemical symbols for iron, lithium and sodium (aka "blood, meth and tears") or as an anagram for "finale." It could also be referring to the Marty Robbins' song "El Paso," which plays in the tape deck of the stolen New Hampshire car, and which features a Mexican girl by the name.

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Don't get me wrong, I didn't want some sappy over the top moment. I liked everything they did. It just felt rushed to me. I wish each scene could have been a little longer.

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I agree with this. I think they could have spread out some of the resolutions over the past two episodes (resolutions as in revenge moves). I thought the scenes in New Hampshire during "Granite State" dragged a bit and the climax with the Nazis was a little quick.

The first half of the finale episode was a 10/10. The second half of the episode was a 7/10.

That blood, meth, and tears thing really seems like a stretch to me, like someone was trying too hard to find clues. Of course I could be wrong. If Gilligan really planned that, then props to him.

Still falls behind "The Shield" for all time favorites for me, but thought it was a great finale. Not action packed, but didn't really need to be. The shootout in the desert was the "action" finale of this show.

I loved the talk with Skylar and Walt finally admitting that it wasn't "for the family" like he always claimed, but that it was for him and his ego. Finally telling the truth, Skylar forgave him.

Ditto the scene at the end with Jesse when he told him "shoot me, you know that's what you want", and then admitted that it's what "he wanted it" -- finally acknowledging the relationship he had with Jesse (and that Jesse brought up in the desert) -- that their whole relationship revolved around Walt manipulating Jesse to get him to do things that Walt wanted under the guise of it being the best for Jesse or the collective good. I feel like with that admission -- that HE wanted Jesse to shoot him and consequently that over the past year it was always trying to get Jesse to do what HE wanted -- Jesse finally forgave Walt as well.

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That blood, meth, and tears thing really seems like a stretch to me, like someone was trying too hard to find clues. Of course I could be wrong. If Gilligan really planned that, then props to him.

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Agreed, but simply going back for his fair maiden "Felina" (the blue meth) and dying with a gunshot wound while he lay there with her is pretty fitting.

this thread reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhzMUKznZo0

chic....chica chicahhhhhhh

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That part is easy to understand. My question is how did he get it in the packet in the first place?

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Simply get a Setiva packet, steam it open, put in the Ricin, and glue it back closed.

What a great finale. It's pretty pointless to try and compare shows because everyone has different tastes. This was the right finale for this show.
Walt saying goodbye to Holly was a really powerful moment. I noticed he gave her a pat on the head, and a later a similar pat to his meth tank. Saying goodbye to all his babies.

I don' think Jesse gets very far. Cops are looking for him, he has no money, and no education. His best bet would be to call the vacuum guy, but he can't afford it. Maybe he could make it to Alaska, but I doubt it.

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Pickem results:
there is a tie for first place (with 24/24 points correct and the tiebreaker question correct) between FL_Ag1998 and MW03

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At least no one is trying to compare Walt to Christ because of the pose he died in with blood on his palms. Anyone making those comparisons should not be listened to.

Are the cops looking for Jesse?

Hmm. My top 5 "dramas"...

1. Breaking Bad
2. Lost
3. Mad Men
4. The Wire
5. Fringe

(DISCLAIMER: I've never seen the Sopranos or The Shield. I've been "saving" both, but just haven't found the time to start either.)

As for the Lost/Breaking Bad/Wire triumvirate, I would say the following...

- I enjoyed watching Lost more than either Breaking Bad or The Wire the first time around. The websites/commercial clues and the speculation during Lost was half the fun.

- Season 4 of The Wire is my favorite season of any show ever.

- Breaking Bad is a more complete series than either Lost or The Wire. It was consistently great from the first shots of the pilot to the last shots of the finale. I rewatched the entire series again this summer getting ready for the last season, and even still I found myself nervous when the cousin drags the ax to come for Hank in the parking lot. There were a ton of scenes like that which didn't age at all. That's why it gets my top spot.

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Aaron Paul ‏@aaronpaul_8 8m
Jesse,

I love you and you will always be a part of me. Thanks for the memories.

Your friend,

Aaron

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