Yep. Almost as bad as a guy I went to high school with who had the last name "Tittsworth."

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Drew McWeeny? That's his real name?? Holey carp, I bet his childhood was miserable.

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There's a lady running for office where I live with the last name Growc o c k.

And I find your blanket statement dismissing all your non-trusted critics baffling as well.

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Most film critics worth listening to, who know their stuff, either went to film school or have been doing it long enough to know exactly what they're talking about. This Jeremy Jahns dude is clearly more of performer than anything else (if not incredibly annoying).

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You're basically saying nobody on youtube is worth listening to, and that their opinions are worthless, because they haven't been doing it long enough yet or because they didn't go to film school. And then getting after me simply for posting his video. Of course that's condescending.

I don't put a lot of stock into ANY single review, critic or not. Just wanted to post a positive review to show the other side of the reactions.

At the end of the day, opinions are just that. I don't know about anyone else, but all the reviews go out the window for me once I see the movie for myself.

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Why anyone would ever listen to someone like that for an opinion on a movie is beyond me.

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I suspect your generalization of "someone like that" is what bothered people. If you had said "This guy right here sucks!", then I doubt anyone would care. Not that this is a big deal either way.

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Didn't they learn their lesson with BvS? Let the damn director cut their own damn movie how they want to do it.

This is two consecutive movies that the WB has screwed up because of this garbage. This also confirms that Snyder is not the problem.

This doesn't necessarily absolve Snyder. The longer cut of BvS was still a jumbled poorly paced mess. Admittedly, it was better than the theatrical cut, but it still wasn't a good movie and it was longer on top of that.

The ironic thing in all of this was the thought that by many that WB didn't take a firm enough hand in guiding BvS. Now it appears they've overreacted and swung the pendulum too far the other way.

I know they're rivals, but I wish the Marvel production team would get together with WB to figure this all out. Having better movies from both universes will prolong the superhero genre from dying out. But that's just a pipe dream that'll never happen.

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I know they're rivals, but I wish the Marvel production team would get together with WB to figure this all out. Having better movies from both universes will prolong the superhero genre from dying out. But that's just a pipe dream that'll never happen.

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at a minimum it is just the death of the DC universe.

Then again, DC likes rebooting their comics every few years, so no biggie there.

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This doesn't necessarily absolve Snyder. The longer cut of BvS was still a jumbled poorly paced mess. Admittedly, it was better than the theatrical cut, but it still wasn't a good movie and it was longer on top of that.

The ironic thing in all of this was the thought that by many that WB didn't take a firm enough hand in guiding BvS. Now it appears they've overreacted and swung the pendulum too far the other way.

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Bingo.

Even the recut of BvS still had some big issues with character motivation and general story flow and logic. Ayers has shown much more competence as a storyteller than Snyder, however, so there may be a bit more validity to the director's vs theatrical cut for SS.

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at a minimum it is just the death of the DC universe.

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Just the cinematic version of it. I still think the comic universe for DC is much better than Marvel's

Maybe Disney will take all their Marvel & Star Wars money and buy the rights to DC one day. God knows they'll be able to afford it.

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at a minimum it is just the death of the DC universe.

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Just the cinematic version of it. I still think the comic universe for DC is much better than Marvel's

Maybe Disney will take all their Marvel & Star Wars money and buy the rights to DC one day. God knows they'll be able to afford it.

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DC has ruled the animated universe for a long time IMO. Marvel has had animated shows sure, but I don't anyone would say they're as memorable as say the Timm-verse shows or the more recent Young Justice (which IMO was the spiritual successor to the Timm-verse) that was cancelled.

One thing that DC seems to have an issue with is how their TV universes share and play with the same characters in contrast to how Marvel is handling it. Even if the MCU and Marvel TV don't really play that well together, they're normally on the same page (except for maybe the Inhumans, I think AoS pretty much gave the MCU the finger there) and what happens in the movies has an impact on the show. DC's shows are entirely separate from the DCEU, and Arrow's plans were some what derailed with Deadshot because of DC apparently didn't want there to be any confusion or overlap in characters.

That's likely why we aren't going to see a Green Arrow or Martian Manhunter in Justice League.

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That's likely why we aren't going to see a Green Arrow or Martian Manhunter in Justice League.

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And yet, Flash.....

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That's likely why we aren't going to see a Green Arrow or Martian Manhunter in Justice League.

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And yet, Flash.....

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I never said they made sensible decisions in that regard.

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You're basically saying nobody on youtube is worth listening to,

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Actually a pretty decent policy, I may adopt it

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This is smart for about 97% of youtube.

No idea where to put this, but this thread should do:

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Why is his opinion any less valid?

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Personally for me, it's not that I didn't like his opinion, he's certainly entitled to it. It's just that it was clear that he's trying to put himself over just as much as he's reviewing the movie.

And someone clearly told him "look, it's only a headshot so you gotta move your hands a lot to get some movement in the screen!"

Another. This one's middle of the road. One of my few trusted "non-critic" review channels.

I can definitely see where people find him and his style of review annoying. But he has no problem admitting when he doesn't like a movie he wanted to like.

I like these guys (and their Collider friends). I tend to agree with Mark Ellis on the majority of movies.

Seems like its another BvS where nothing makes sense like how Lex wants to suddenly destroy the entire world with doomsday and goes insane.

DC seems be to doing horrible with character motivations and making the story make sense whereas marvel keeps things pretty simple and straight forward.

Umm...

'Suicide Squad' Fans Petition To Shut Down Rotten Tomatoes Over Negative Reviews

Step 1: Have some loose understanding of what a site actually does before protesting it.

The whole Schmoes / Collider crew are great. The difference is, those guys all have a deep understanding of the industry and the players/mechanics within. They've also been writing and publishing news & reviews for years on end. Sure, they're a little rough around the edges at times, but the point is, there's a distinct difference between what those guys do and what a guy like Jahns does. I know it might be indistinguishable to some, but trust me, there's a very wide gap there.

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A deep understanding of the industry doesn't impress me when someone is giving their opinion of a film. If anything, it could introduce bias.

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FTR, I am not a Jahns fan myself, and I don't watch many of his videos. I think one of the first times I watched a video by him was a trailer reaction for TFA (maybe?), and he was wearing a blanket like a "cape". I checked out right away.

Collider is good, but I don't really view them in the same light as a "fan" review. I guess when I said fan review earlier, I really meant amateur reviewer perhaps.

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That's not how I took TC's statement. I took it as meaning those who "live" in the industry and do it for a profession, with legitimate interest in how movies are made and what MAKES a good movie (the technical aspects of directing, scriptwriting, cinematography, etc.), tend to have reasons for liking/disliking a movie that are more grounded and legitimate than just the typical fanboy, and therefore give "better" reviews overall.

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Yeah about that, there has been more than one discussion about how critics and audiences view a film through a different lens. Look at TCTTS' reviews after some movies. I don't doubt that he enjoys the movies he sees occasionally, but they do come across as looking at them from mainly how they are constructed. Which there isn't anything wrong with, but most people aren't looking for an in depth discussion as to how and why a movie doesn't work due to how it is constructed.

I think some of issue stems from how the reviews are put out, and also how they come across. I'll say that Jahns' style for his videos can grow tiresome, but a video is much easier to consume (you don't even have to watch it, you can effectively just listen to it) as opposed to reading a wall of text dissecting the movie over it's flaws and how the film either did or didn't live up to expectations.

One thing that is also different from how Jahn's and Chris Stuckman do their video reviews from say Collider's videos are that they are much shorter and concise in what they either did or didn't like. I don't have time to sit down and watch Collider's videos that are between 50 and and hour in length. Jahns and Stuckman can sometimes (Stuckman probably is better IMO) give you a bottom line review in under 10 minutes.

Here is Stuckman's review, but be aware that he does go into some detail and he does go into spoiler territory a little after the 5 minute mark which he notifies you of.


Personally, I found Stuckman's review to be a little more informative than Jahns' this time.

Well, I have my tickets for 6pm tonight.

I asked my two boys if they wanted to see it and they are excited. Needless to say, I will do nothing to dim their anticipation. The screening (the XD screen at the CS Cinemark) is almost full, but it's worth it to get the reserved seats so we won't have to get there an hour ahead of time.

I'm going in with tempered expectations about certain things (pace, tone and worthiness of the "bad guy") but am hopeful that the performances are as good as reviews have said and that we at least are entertained.

I understand where you're coming from, and obviously Collider crew is a lot more experienced/polished. Those differences are fairly easy to spot. I just don't particularly put a lot more stock into their opinions over others like Jahns. (But I like them a lot better for sure.)

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't always want an in-depth breakdown of what was right and wrong with a movie. And I can go into a movie like Expendables without giving a damn what the critics think about it, because my only expectation in movie like that is to have fun and see things blow up. In that case, I'll ignore the critics and see what the casual viewer (like here on Texas) thinks about it.

But there are times when I do have expectations for a movie - I like the source material, or I like the director, or the plot really grabbed me. And in that case, I do have some interest in the opinions of critics who study movies for a living. For example, I loved the video that was posted on the BvS thread, in which the presenter broke down how Snyder fails to develop his movies and simply aims to deliver "epic moments" in his movies. And I don't think diving into a movie to that extent is elitist (not implying you think that, I just know that label gets thrown around here from time to time).

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But there are times when I do have expectations for a movie - I like the source material, or I like the director, or the plot really grabbed me. And in that case, I do have some interest in the opinions of critics who study movies for a living. For example, I loved the video that was posted on the BvS thread, in which the presenter broke down how Snyder fails to develop his movies and simply aims to deliver "epic moments" in his movies. And I don't think diving into a movie to that extent is elitist (not implying you think that, I just know that label gets thrown around here from time to time).

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Based on what we have seen from the DCEU so far and to quote Dante, I'd "Abandon all hope" when you enter the theater.

Snyder fails to just simply understand the characters that he is using in his films, and to give them any sort of characterization development. Even the ultimate cut of BvS, while an improvement, didn't really help the characters much. Especially Wayne's motivation for wanting to take on Superman IMO. Obviously the flashy approach works, because the Transformers franchise is still alive and kicking (please let the next one fail).

And I think the elitist tag is thrown around when people dismiss a review or reviewer because of either their approach or they say that the reviewer hasn't worked in the industry or hasn't worked in it long enough. After all opinions are like *******s, everyone has them. And the you don't necessarily have to have a background in film to have that opinion of a film.

I mean hell, I haven't worked a day in the industry beyond working on a friend's short film for a couple of days and even I could tell there were issues with the film and noting that there were problems with characterization and plot in BvS.