I've always assumed that KGB had AA again since he said the river A couldn't have helped Mike....a bit of poetic justice if you will...

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this is the only part of the movie I can't buy


No way Mike doesn't double and triple down on that azz when its offered.

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Agreed. Famke Janssen throws herself at him, and he's like, "Nah, I'm good". C'mon...

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I've always assumed that KGB had AA again since he said the river A couldn't have helped Mike....a bit of poetic justice if you will...

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That's the common assumption, which is why I would have preferred that hand have been showed instead. On the river, AA is the second nuts, and KGB assumes he is good. Would have been a shock for the audience for Mike to then flip over the nuts after stating, "you're right, the Ace didn't help me".

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ok wait can someone explain what was going on all the times they played poker? like what was going on with the cards and chips and all the checking raising etc.

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Do you even pokerstars bro?

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The hole in the story was that they didn't take advantage of Gretchen Mol's naked talents while she was still in her prime vs. letting Boardwalk Empire do it after she'd slipped a little.

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She went full frontal in The Notorious Bettie Page.

Worm originally got $2k at the Chesterfield on Mikey. He cashed out with the "white meat" at $6k.

Last hand with KGB, Mike of course hit the straight on the river and checked to KGB's two pair. KGB had AA earlier to trap Mike's Anna Kournikova with Aces full of Kings.

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Last hand with KGB, Mike of course hit the straight on the river and checked to KGB's two pair. KGB had AA earlier to trap Mike's Anna Kournikova with Aces full of Kings.

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On the last hand Mike flopped it, then checked on the river where it's assumed KGB made a set of Aces, the second nuts on a rainbow board of 6,7,10,2,A.

I think Worm cashed out $10k. Winnings + the $2k marker he got "on the finger".

Ok, so Rounders is making the nightly rounds on Showtime, Encore, etc. and I watched last night to clear up confusion about Worm's debt to Gramma. During the scene where Mike and Worm go to Gramma to work out a plan, Gramma first says that Worm owes "$25 grand", then he gets distracted by the dog and disciplines him, then they discuss a plan, Worm pops off about not needing his charity, Mike intervenes and says it is on him too, then Gramma says "you owe 15 large in 5 days or I start breaking things." So Worm didn't get seem to get credit for the roll that Gramma took earlier.

So did Worm still owe $25k total and $15k was the first installment? Was Mike only on the hook for the first 15? Otherwise, whey didn't Gramma insist on taking $25k out of the winnings on the final hand? Does Worm still owe Gramma / KGB $10k? He did say in that "as for Worm, I guess we are even" or something like that.


Oh, and the final hand was not made on the river, he "flopped the nuts straight", which he told KGB and which also was exactly what his hero Johnny Chan did to win the WSOP against Slidell. Mike played it exactly the same as Chan, checking all the way to bait his opponent into going all in.

discussion of the last hand in rounders

Yes I knew my recollection of when the straight hit was wrong as I pushed 'Post Reply.' I've been wrong a couple of times here and there.

Can somebody run the numbers at the end of The Gambler?

I keep missing an amount or two here also.

Yes!
Then. ..

Let It Ride
Hard Eight

I like how Teddy, after being told that he can reload any time by mike, mutters "Go ______ your mother" in Russian.

Guys, I don't want to seem unhumble, but I believe I have the definitive statement on the math for that last hand:

WGAS.

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Can somebody run the numbers at the end of The Gambler?

I keep missing an amount or two here also.

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This.

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I think Worm cashed out $10k. Winnings + the $2k marker he got "on the finger".

Ok, so Rounders is making the nightly rounds on Showtime, Encore, etc. and I watched last night to clear up confusion about Worm's debt to Gramma. During the scene where Mike and Worm go to Gramma to work out a plan, Gramma first says that Worm owes "$25 grand", then he gets distracted by the dog and disciplines him, then they discuss a plan, Worm pops off about not needing his charity, Mike intervenes and says it is on him too, then Gramma says "you owe 15 large in 5 days or I start breaking things." So Worm didn't get seem to get credit for the roll that Gramma took earlier.

So did Worm still owe $25k total and $15k was the first installment? Was Mike only on the hook for the first 15? Otherwise, whey didn't Gramma insist on taking $25k out of the winnings on the final hand? Does Worm still owe Gramma / KGB $10k? He did say in that "as for Worm, I guess we are even" or something like that.

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Gramma paid 10 on the dollar for the debt. He starts at $25k and then drops it lower, probably because he likes Mikey. After making back the $15k, he still makes 90% of that as profit.

KGBs cards can be seen if you pause frame by frame to see them as they fly through the air. He had pocket 10s or top set.

It''s a CASH game...... not a tournament.

The amounts they play with do not have to be equal to start (although they were here). But you can technically add on anytime. Typically you cannot add on to exceed the amount of the biggest stack at the table because that's poor etiquette. Basically buying the biggest chip stack. That's a rule many places, even house games, and typically a gentleman's agreement.

Now in heads up it simply has to be an agreement between the two people - and Mike said at some point you can add on whenever you want.

We were not necessarily shown every time KGB added chips. Especially in his own club he is the house effectively so he can add whatever chips he wants - but Mike can stop playing whenever he wants. KGB just has to pay him off whatever he has when he leaves.

Eventually KGB quits and pays him off and Mike walks and narrates what he has.

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KGBs cards can be seen if you pause frame by frame to see them as they fly through the air. He had pocket 10s or top set.

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until the river, the A made a higher set (of As) possible. But only that and the nut straight beat him because the board had nor more than 2 of any suit and was not paired (no flush or full house possible).

board is 6 7 10 2 A with no more than 2 of any suit.

Best possible hands are:

89 for a straight 6-10 which Mike had from the flop
AA for set of A's
10-10 for set of 10's which is what KBG had

Mike dodged so many trouble cards.

a 6,7,10 on the turn or river or 2 on the river makes KGB win with a full house. That's 12 possible.

an 8 or 9 does not help Mike at all and also increases the chance of KGB getting a straight too and possibly a higher straight. Thats 6 more.

3 of one suit in those 5 cards makes a flush possible but after the turn it was impossible as it was "rainbow" meaning all suits represented in 4 cards.

At the turn he dodged 15 cards = roughly 60+% chance for KGB on turn or river
At the river he dodged 18 cards = roughly 36+% chance on the river

But KGB being aggressive and Mike checking the whole way meant the only likely hand to beat KGB is that straight and he slow played him perfectly.

didn't realize it was so old...

So why was Mike's life in danger if he lost that hand. He still had plenty of money to pay back the dangerous folks?

Where can I buy a Teddy KGB tracksuit?

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So why was Mike's life in danger if he lost that hand. He still had plenty of money to pay back the dangerous folks?

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I actually don't think Mike was in danger of being killed by Teddy KGB, even if he lost everything. He's a guy that is smart, resourceful, honorable, and can be valuable to him going forward. He's the opposite of Worm. Worm is untrustworthy, will to go on the run for the rest of his life, will borrow money with no intention of paying it back, say the wrong things to the wrong people, etc. Worm is a guy they kill and make an example of, Mike has way more value alive and in his debt than he does if he's dead.

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So why was Mike's life in danger if he lost that hand. He still had plenty of money to pay back the dangerous folks?

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I actually don't think Mike was in danger of being killed by Teddy KGB, even if he lost everything. He's a guy that is smart, resourceful, honorable, and can be valuable to him going forward. He's the opposite of Worm. Worm is untrustworthy, will to go on the run for the rest of his life, will borrow money with no intention of paying it back, say the wrong things to the wrong people, etc. Worm is a guy they kill and make an example of, Mike has way more value alive and in his debt than he does if he's dead.

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Mike still would have been out of their debts. So they wouldn't own him.

He went all in but he had KGB outstacked, no? Not sure by how much so he may or may not have still had enough to pay off his debts had he lost that hand.

What makes you believe he had KGB out stacked?

Well after that hand he had all the chips, right?

No.