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12:47p, 12/8/16
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Just one chilling fact ;

Thanks to Wikileaks in 2007, we know of a dozen symbols of pedophilic abuse. In recent years, several pizza parlors have changed or erased some of their logos, more than a few of which were exact matches. Including the two references above, two months ago.

Many people know, including Assange and Breitbart, who was very vocal about it before he dropped dead.

The FBI has some heroes. NYPD also. Wait.
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12:51p, 12/8/16
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Redstone really committing to this one.
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12:53p, 12/8/16
I now believe that pizza gate is a Scientology scam to deflect from thesr rel allegations and thst a certain poster may be an Operating Theton and is trying to get us to move this discussion away from his church.

There is no evidence to the contrary
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12:59p, 12/8/16
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I hate child abuse. So,

read Tony Ortega
agitate to get their tax exemption removed

read about pedophillic abuse history
recognize this evil exists beyond confirmation bias
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In reply to sanitariex • 1:09p, 12/8/16
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sanitariex said:
Reading through pizzagate for the first time and I seriously want to throw up now. How is this not a bigger story?


Could someone post a Cliffsnotes version of this. I've heard a ton about it, but know no details. A nice synopsis would be awesome
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1:13p, 12/8/16
Christ, this thread just got really stupid.
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In reply to Whoop04 • 1:13p, 12/8/16
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Yep.
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In reply to Whoop04 • 1:20p, 12/8/16
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Seriously.

Back on the thread topic, Episode 2 with Mike Rinder definitely re-tread some of the ground that Going Clear did better.
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In reply to Joan Wilder • 1:24p, 12/8/16
Yeah comments about the A&E style were spot on. It would have been great if they could have used this material as fodder for a quality show
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2:27p, 12/8/16
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Sorry everyone...my fault. The scientology got me thinking about the most recent podesta Wikileaks stuff and it's not hard to tie them all together.

Honestly, Scientology has always seemed like a store front for a Hollywood "Good Ol Boys club" and not so much an actual religion. A place for tax breaks for superstars to invest in. I need to watch this show apparently.
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5:00p, 12/8/16
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html?_r=0

Is this the crap you guys are talking about? The fake news story some people are stupid enough to believe, including one crazy who decided to shoot up the pizzeria? He thought they had children locked up on the basement, only problem was it didn't have a basement nor any children.

I hope I'm just misreading this thread and no Ags are this stupid.
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5:04p, 12/8/16
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Wish I could laugh\cry right now.
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5:08p, 12/8/16
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The circumstantial evidence is significant, no matter what a newspaper or anyone else writes.

Watch the developments and raise this thread later in the Spring to run me down...but I would bet you won't.
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5:23p, 12/8/16
Notice how a certain poster never offerd proof that counters the evidence that he is an OT.
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5:51p, 12/8/16
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I honestly can't tell if Redstone has moved on from trolling to a kind of performance art, or if he's a legit conspiracy theorist.
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6:13p, 12/8/16
2 episodes into this show and all I can say is holy ****. I knew they were "weird" but I had no idea how vile and twisted an organization this was.

This Miscavige dwarf needs an ass kicking of epic proportions.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:43p, 12/8/16
Part of me really gets a kick out of his bit.
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7:42p, 12/8/16
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as bad as Scientology is, Redstone spoiling LOST was worse by a mile.
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In reply to Tobias Funke • 9:16p, 12/8/16
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Texags should have declared him an SP for that offense.
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9:27p, 12/8/16
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Anyone who posts spoilers without warning or tag cover should be declared an out-ethics SP squirrel. They should face disconnection, the Hole, and overboarding from the deck of the Apollo.
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2:17p, 12/9/16
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Ok I just finished the two eps.

Wow. That Miscavig guy needs to get his balls kicked in a thousand times over. They don't really discuss the belief system whereas Xenu goes. So I'm curious how that factors in. So far it's just interviews of ex-church members who were mentally and physically abused. This is a great show and very eye opening.
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2:46p, 12/9/16
So do we think the dwarf's wife has been just locked up in the hole for years and years, put in solitary, or killed? What a f***ed up man. Even though he was a wacky scientologist I always loved Tom Cruise in movies. His performance in Collateral is one of my favs. Not sure I can watch his movies anymore without being distracted by my hate and disgust for him.
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11:38a, 12/10/16
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That Dead Author's Podcast was hilarious!
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In reply to White Liberals=The Worst • 1:26p, 12/10/16
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Wycliffe_03 said:
So do we think the dwarf's wife has been just locked up in the hole for years and years, put in solitary, or killed? What a f***ed up man. Even though he was a wacky scientologist I always loved Tom Cruise in movies. His performance in Collateral is one of my favs. Not sure I can watch his movies anymore without being distracted by my hate and disgust for him.
I am always surprised when people talk like this about Cruise, just now"discovering "his nuttiness. Pretty well know for over 20 years that and him not being the most hetro guy around.

My wife has refused to watch anything of his since the 90s, and I'm not far behind her. Hard to get past the facade.
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In reply to Aust Ag • 2:06p, 12/10/16
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Wycliffe_03 said:
So do we think the dwarf's wife has been just locked up in the hole for years and years, put in solitary, or killed? What a f***ed up man. Even though he was a wacky scientologist I always loved Tom Cruise in movies. His performance in Collateral is one of my favs. Not sure I can watch his movies anymore without being distracted by my hate and disgust for him.
I am always surprised when people talk like this about Cruise, just now"discovering "his nuttiness. Pretty well know for over 20 years that and him not being the most hetro guy around.

My wife has refused to watch anything of his since the 90s, and I'm not far behind her. Hard to get past the facade.


I hear you. I guess I was able to look past his nuttiness because he was so good in certain movies, but I had no clue Scientology was so evil. And he knows this and willingly participates. He's not just nutty, he's a genuinely bad person. Might as be Westboro Baptist. Actually these guys are worse imo...they actually hurt people and tear families apart.
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2:29p, 12/10/16
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In terms of nuttiness, Tom cruise is in the same ballpark as Michael Jackson
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2:42p, 12/10/16
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What's weird is that Cruise is notoriously one of the nicest, hardest working guys in Hollywood. People who have worked with him always come away impressed not only by how much he devotes of himself to ensuring an entertaining product worthy of an audience's time and money, but also come away impressed by how engaging he is on set in general. He's apparently one of those guys who makes it a point to learn everyone's name on set, down to the lowest guy on the totem pole. By every account, when he's in his element - making movies or even just hanging out watching sports - you wouldn't want to be doing either with anyone else. Which makes it so bizarre that outside of that, he clearly and consciously not only turns a blind eye to these nuts, but is one of their most loyal members. And I don't think movie-making-Cruise is an act, either. That's who he is. But whatever it is that drives him to be that person also drives him to embrace whatever it is about Scientology that he finds helpful, even in the face of pure evil. I just can't figure it out.

That said, I love his movies too much to not watch them. All I know is that if our movie-watching habits were based truly on the merits/ethics of the individuals making them, trust me, there would be no movies for us to see.
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3:23p, 12/10/16
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I honestly think that Scientology has some major dirt on both Cruise and Travolta, be it criminal/personal/etc., to the point that if it came out, not only would their careers be destroyed, but their ego would be ruined. Which, to them, is even more important than their career. Their public image is who they are, and if that goes away or is destroyed, in their minds, they are done. So they keep toeing the party line and look past the insidiousness of Scientology.

And I don't think this just applies to Cruise and Travolta; they're just the two most well known faces. I believe that a lot of the famous people that are Scientologists are basically being blackmailed to stay in, and they aren't willing to do what LR is doing, since they want to keep up their public image. They keep touting how good it is, even if they don't believe it, because they don't have the courage to accept the consequences once they bail.

Kind of like selling your soul to the devil.
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3:47p, 12/10/16
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Tom cruise makes good movies. Sure he belongs to a creepy cult, but unless he's actually hurting people, I'll keep watching.
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In reply to Log • 6:11p, 12/10/16
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Log said:
WI honestly think that Scientology has some major dirt on both Cruise and Travolta, be it criminal/personal/etc., to the point that if it came out, not only would their careers be destroyed, but their ego would be ruined. Which, to them, is even more important than their career. Their public image is who they are, and if that goes away or is destroyed, in their minds, they are done. So they keep toeing the party line and look past the insidiousness of Scientology.
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And I don't think this just applies to Cruise and Travolta; they're just the two most well known faces. I believe that a lot of the famous people that are Scientologists are basically being blackmailed to stay in, and they aren't willing to do what LR is doing, since they want to keep up their public image. They keep touting how good it is, even if they don't believe it, because they don't have the courage to accept the consequences once they bail.

Kind of like selling your soul to the devil.
I saw the first sentence of this and this was exactly how I was going to respond to TCTTS.

I have doubts that Cruise is a hard working actor,that gives his all. He's damn good. But they've got him over a barrel.
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1:18a, 12/11/16
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Plus, it's hard to admit (to yourself or anyone else) that you've been so utterly duped, wasting years of your life.
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In reply to Aust Ag • 9:22a, 12/11/16
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Aust Ag said:
Log said:
WI honestly think that Scientology has some major dirt on both Cruise and Travolta, be it criminal/personal/etc., to the point that if it came out, not only would their careers be destroyed, but their ego would be ruined. Which, to them, is even more important than their career. Their public image is who they are, and if that goes away or is destroyed, in their minds, they are done. So they keep toeing the party line and look past the insidiousness of Scientology.
CTS
And I don't think this just applies to Cruise and Travolta; they're just the two most well known faces. I believe that a lot of the famous people that are Scientologists are basically being blackmailed to stay in, and they aren't willing to do what LR is doing, since they want to keep up their public image. They keep touting how good it is, even if they don't believe it, because they don't have the courage to accept the consequences once they bail.

Kind of like selling your soul to the devil.
I saw the first sentence of this and this was exactly how I was going to respond to TCTTS.

I have doubts that Cruise is a hard working actor,that gives his all. He's damn good. But they've got him over a barrel.


From what I gathered from "Going Clear" I am Convinced that this is the case with Travolta. His handler, who has since left the religion, just comes straight out and admits it. After his kid died, I've heard that he tried to leave and they had so much on him he was forced to stay.

That's what those auditing sessions are. Just pure blackmail material. You get in there and tell them your darkest secrets and they record it.

Cruise seems like a different story to me. He appears to have bought in completely. Something about him just seems to be more genuine about his Scientology experience, which is odd because he commonly associated with one of the most spineless pieces of human dung on the planet
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In reply to TresPuertas • 12:15p, 12/11/16
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This.

Watch those weird-as-hell award-show-looking rallies/gatherings from Going Clear and Cruise is ALL IN. I've never got the sense that he was being blackmailed. Dude has bought in completely, something I should have been more clear about in my earlier Cruise post.

Travolta, on the other hand, likely has tried to get out and is definitely being blackmailed. That much is obvious.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:19p, 12/11/16
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TC, there have always been rumors of Cruise being gay, but have you ever heard anything to substantiate that?

I'm actually not sure I buy that unlike Travolta, which is pretty much the worst kept secret in Hollywood... Just curious if you've ever heard anything regarding it or if it was something well known out there behind closed doors.




Also, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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In reply to Sex Panther • 12:31p, 12/11/16
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Yeah, I've heard all the rumors as well, but I've personally never heard a single peep to substantiate any of that. I honestly don't think he's gay.

That said, the stories about his wife auditioning process over the years are pretty weird. It's like this team of people selecting a cabinet member or something. These women (most of them famous) are chosen out of the blue, contacted and vetted, told they have to join Scientology, and then, after X number of hoops to jump through, they finally get to meet Cruise. Granted, none of us have any idea what it's like to be that insanely famous - maybe it's just impossible for him to meet someone normally without dealing with crazies, but still.

Frankly, I think he's more asexual than anything. The combination of that kind of fame, Scientology, and his already ultra intense personally may almost make for a person that's beyond sexuality, if that makes sense. Like, I'm sure he finds women attractive, but I think those desires for him aren't at the forefront like they are for most people. It's like they're buried by ego, drive, and whatever the hell Scientology has done to him over the years.
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