Cool program. It's the only podcast I've ever listened to. That Alex Jones podcast is absolutely bonkers.

Never really knew who the guy [AJ] was other than being mentioned on F16 every now and then as a bit of a firebrand.

A bit of a deviation here. Joe's "hotel fire" story on This Is Not Happening is hilarious.

If you haven't discovered TINH, I would highly recommend any Joey Diaz story, Jim Breuer's "bombing in Sears", or Roy Wood Jr.'s "Golden Corral" story.

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

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What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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I'm a huge UFO buff, and want Lazar's story to be real, but after a ton of research, I finally had to come to terms with the fact that it just doesn't add up. I used to believe him, but when you really start to look into his claims/life, there are just too many inconsistencies. Ironically, I can actually believe the UFO-reverse-engineering of it all. It's everything about his story before that point that doesn't check out or hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.

Also, Jeremy Corbell, who appeared with Lazar during his Rogen interview, and appears with Fravor during his, is a bit of huckster. Rather, I think he believes everything he's peddling, and ultimately has noble efforts, but he's a little too caught up in the sensationalism and trying to be the face of this whole thing. Something about him just rubs me the wrong way, and you can tell in the interview above that Rogen is kind of annoyed by him as well. We need the Corbells of this world to step back and more people like Fravor and Luis Elizondo (and his team) coming forward...

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Please elaborate on Lazar's past. I got introduced to him via Rogan and don't know the whole story.

if you do some googling, there are lots of articles/blogs about the problems with his biographical claims.

-No one can validate any of his education claims; only that he was enrolled at one time in a California community college
-No verification that he ever worked at any of the labs he claimed

So he has no diplomas, no yearbooks, no W2's, no photos, nothing to show. Just claims.

Oh, he was arrested once for pimping.

Personally, after watching the documentary and interviews with Lazar, I just think he was kind of a fabulist who got caught up in his own lies. And now I think he uses this stuff as a kind of gorilla marketing for his business venture.

Not sure google searching for blogs is definitive proof, lol

c-jags said:

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Macarthur said:

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c-jags said:

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

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What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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Healthcare is like the climate change debate. There is no middle ground.

I can absolutely understand the argument that healthcare should be a "right". The idea that someone gets bankrupted because of something that might be out of their control just sucks.

But, there are ways to address this without doing mandatory socialized healthcare for all and destroying the country over it. It's just a maddening topic.

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Not sure google searching for blogs is definitive proof, lol

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It's not just "blogs." Stanton Friedman and quite a few other scientists/scholars/journalist have done EXTENSIVE research into Lazar's life pre-1989 (the year he gave his initial interview) and none of it adds up in any way, shape, or form. In addition to everything Social Media Influencer mentioned above, Lazar wasn't even in the top half of his high school class. Like, not even close, and yet he somehow got into M.I.T. (which, again, there is literally no record of him attending in the first place)? He was also in deep debt in the late '80s, at the exact same time he claimed to be working at Area 51, and then there was the aforementioned arrest for being a part owner of a brothel. Not a chance in hell Area 51 hires someone like him - with massive financial troubles, an arrest, and everything else - to reverse engineer flying saucers.

The most plausible explanation for all of this I've ever read comes from this piece, written last year, by a guy who has a few connections to Lazar...

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

... but before that, in 1994, he gave a pretty definitive and damning timeline of Lazar's life here...

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

Again, no one wants Lazar's story to be true more than me. And I used to believe Lazar wholeheartedly. But too many trustworthy people have uncovered too many glaring holes and irrefutable facts to take the guy seriously anymore.

Start with the second link above and then read his follow up from last year, just above that. It becomes pretty clear from those, and then they'll lead you down a whole rabbit hole if you want. Also Google "Stanton Friedman" with "Bob Lazar" and you can see for yourself everything Friedman uncovered...

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c-jags said:

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Macarthur said:

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c-jags said:

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

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What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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Healthcare is like the climate change debate. There is no middle ground.

I can absolutely understand the argument that healthcare should be a "right". The idea that someone gets bankrupted because of something that might be out of their control just sucks.

But, there are ways to address this without doing mandatory socialized healthcare for all and destroying the country over it. It's just a maddening topic.

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Hate to derail, but here is the hyperbole that plagues this debate. There are single Payor systems that are not mandatory socialized healthcare. And it most certainly will NOT destroy the country.

Macarthur said:

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YouBet said:

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c-jags said:

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Macarthur said:

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c-jags said:

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

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What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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Healthcare is like the climate change debate. There is no middle ground.

I can absolutely understand the argument that healthcare should be a "right". The idea that someone gets bankrupted because of something that might be out of their control just sucks.

But, there are ways to address this without doing mandatory socialized healthcare for all and destroying the country over it. It's just a maddening topic.

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Hate to derail, but here is the hyperbole that plagues this debate. There are single Payor systems that are not mandatory socialized healthcare. And it most certainly will NOT destroy the country.

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Give me examples where I'm not paying stifling taxes and it works well in a populous, extremely diverse culture.

And then, convince we are going to kill all taxes currently committed to half-ass socialist programs that try to do this.

Macarthur said:

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YouBet said:

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c-jags said:

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Macarthur said:

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c-jags said:

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

---

What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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Healthcare is like the climate change debate. There is no middle ground.

I can absolutely understand the argument that healthcare should be a "right". The idea that someone gets bankrupted because of something that might be out of their control just sucks.

But, there are ways to address this without doing mandatory socialized healthcare for all and destroying the country over it. It's just a maddening topic.

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Hate to derail, but here is the hyperbole that plagues this debate. There are single Payor systems that are not mandatory socialized healthcare. And it most certainly will NOT destroy the country.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. We'll end up paying more for worse health care and innovation will grind to an abrupt halt. Don't be foolish, we have the best quality healthcare in the world and every other country is dependent on us for innovation. The tax increases will certainly be extremely harmful to the economy.

aggieforester05 said:

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Macarthur said:

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YouBet said:

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c-jags said:

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Macarthur said:

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c-jags said:

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Joe can be listened to at 1.5 speed most of the time.

Unlike Ben Shapiro.

But I do agree the long form interview is so much better than the sound bites we get from most media. Usually they're looking for the sound bites and we get dumb questions.

While I may not agree with Bernie on anything, I like that Joe lets him explain his entire position in a nuanced manner.

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but they really aren't as radical as the Facebook or Twitter meme world would have you believe.

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What's funny is that while I agree that letting people express their opinions is great, Bernie's opening line of "I think healthcare is a right and everybody should have it. Is that extreme Joe? Is that extreme?"

I screamed "yes it's extreme. Having a right to somebody else's time and money is extreme!" I don't want to get into a poli board argument, by any stretch because I completely think there's some rational thought behind Bernie's proposals, I just have opinions that lean the other way.

Point being that Joe just let it go (I'm pretty sure he agreed,) as he should for his form of interviewing.

I do think he challenges people on the right more but he's great at the concept of letting people get their thoughts out there for the most part and respect it.

See his interview with Dan Crenshaw, challenged him, but let him explain how he arrived at his positions.

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Healthcare is like the climate change debate. There is no middle ground.

I can absolutely understand the argument that healthcare should be a "right". The idea that someone gets bankrupted because of something that might be out of their control just sucks.

But, there are ways to address this without doing mandatory socialized healthcare for all and destroying the country over it. It's just a maddening topic.

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Hate to derail, but here is the hyperbole that plagues this debate. There are single Payor systems that are not mandatory socialized healthcare. And it most certainly will NOT destroy the country.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. We'll end up paying more for worse health care and innovation will grind to an abrupt halt. Don't be foolish, we have the best quality healthcare in the world and every other country is dependent on us for innovation. The tax increases will certainly be extremely harmful to the economy.

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You're wrong.

Don't want to derail. Maybe we need another thread.

One of the biggest load of garbage the right spews today is the best healthcare in the world nonsense. We don't. We have the best personnel, but we most certainly do not have the best system.

Take it to the politics board, fellas.

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Take it to the politics board, fellas.

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You're right. I'm out.

We shouldn't derail threads.

I recommend taking the conversation to the Politics board.

Sincerely sorry if I derailed. Was DEFINITELY not trying to. I feel like that stemmed from my post.

I tried to say it in a way that says "I have a strong opinion, but understand there are people that have different views." I appreciate that he lets people expand their thoughts even if he doesn't agree with them, and it's commendable. Sometimes it pisses me off when he lets people on the opposite side of the political aisle say, things, but that's a me problem.

I don't like to bring politics in here unless Hollywood brings it up first. I feel like JRE is as close as we're going to get to an agnostic interview.