Champ Bailey said:

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Just caught up thinking the show was over. Oh well, can't say I'm mad that there are four more episodes to go. This season has been absolutely incredible.

What do you guys think the blue light with Tyrell is about?

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Based on this preview we might get answers on Sunday!

coastalAg said:

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Episode 407 was an absolute master piece. One of the best episodes of television I have seen. Still blown away. Wow.

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Came here just to say this. I mean...wow.

Well that was a lousy episode

Yeah filler episode. I'm all for character backstories and development, but not much happened. Just a bunch of random connections all to tell us that the Dark Army has moved on. And everything regarding Whiterose experiment and Elliot playing detective was covered in the preview I posed.

Very lame.

Hopefully the next episode gets things back on track. I'm starting to fear this is going to be a letdown.

Turns out the 100 richest people in the world all keep their entire net worth in cash in one bank account. All at the same bank. Now they are all broke. it only takes a tiny thread of plausibility to allow the suspension of disbelief but that was lazy writing.

I just finished 408. Should I just skip 410?

It wasn't bad, but wasn't great either. That said, I'm of the mind that if you choose to watch something, you shouldn't skip any of it, and there *are* a couple of semi-significant plot developments. It's mainly a character episode, though, that I would argue is "vital" in terms of where Darlene's and Dom's emotional arcs are by the end of the episode.

NASAg03 said:

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Excellent action packed heist-type episode. So much going on, a few questions got a little more clarity, but still lots of mystery with 4 more episodes to go. Sam is really dragging this out, but it hasn't gotten boring so I'm okay with that and digging deeper into the various characters.

Gotta find out what happened to Tyrell though. That's an outlier that might be related to time parallel universe machine or whatever that is. I don't think it's a time machine. I'm starting to feel it's something like Event Horizon.

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When did they mention a parallel universe machine?

That's what this whole thing has been building toward. White Rose has built either a time machine or a parallel universe machine. It's the project in the Congo mentioned time and again, and there was even a shot of her either this season or last observing a massive, Hadron Collider-like structure.

FINALLY we get some real answers and see what this whole thing is about. Great episode and pretty fascinating. Can't wait until the 2 hour finale next week!

A few journalists / blog writers included some meaningful quotes from Tolstoy's Ressurrection and Konigsburg's From The Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler, and as expected, those little references provide a lot of insight into this show, which sadly I don't fully understand as I haven't read either novel. But they are now on my list!

"I didn't run away to come home the same." -E.L. Konigsburg, From The Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler

"All were happy plants, birds, insects and children. But grown-up people adult men and women never left off cheating and tormenting themselves and one another. It was not this spring morning which they considered sacred and important, not the beauty of God's world, given to all creatures to enjoy a beauty which inclines the heart to peace, to harmony and to love. No, what they considered sacred and important were their own devices for wielding power over each other." Leo Tolstoy, Resurrection

"The whole trouble lies in that people think that there are conditions excluding the necessity of love in their intercourse with man, but such conditions do not exist. Things may be treated without love; one may chop wood, make bricks, forge iron without love, but one can no more deal with people without love than one can handle bees without care." -Leo Tolstoy, Resurrection

It's weird to see this show finally "answer" at least a portion of the end game mystery, but that was pretty good. So curious to see how they wrap it up next week.

Interesting episode that had me on the edge of the seat. Did anyone else find the music throughout the episode uneasy? Every scene seemed like an odd choice.

Anyway, not how I expected things to end for Whiterose. In the alt universe, Mr Robot knew what was going on too, right?

It's hard to tell what this alt universe is. Could be an integrated AI computer simulation like The Matrix. But then how are there multiple Elliotts? Or is this another one of his personalities?

And does each person get their own unique world separate from everyone else, with the others actually AI characters?

Angela was able to get a glimpse into the machine. How? Is Elliott even dead?

Yes we got answers, but many more questions!

Quinn said:

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Interesting episode that had me on the edge of the seat. Did anyone else find the music throughout the episode uneasy? Every scene seemed like an odd choice.

Anyway, not how I expected things to end for Whiterose. In the alt universe, Mr Robot knew what was going on too, right?

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They played the same song twice while he was in the simulation. The lyrics were saying to stop thinking and just turn the radio up.

I'm thinking the Elliot in the simulation is the last part of Elliot that is missing

I hope this is all psychological in keeping line with the series. To introduce scifi elements such as alternate realities or time machines in the final 2 episodes seems a little ridiculous and out of character with a show mostly grounded in a real world setting with psychological twists.

I know we have all been waiting to see what white rose has been working on all this time, but a machine like that still feels out of left field for an ending.

I loved the choice of the Beach Boys' "Heroes and Villains" for the opening montage when Elliot is heading to the nuclear plant.

I thought during the episode that this was the season finale. I'm glad we have 2 more episodes. Curious where it goes.

Also, when Mr Robot was in the executive's meeting room with Elliot's mom and boy Elliot, didn't they mention there is another personality we haven't met?

So what'd y'all think? Kind of a nuts episode that changes everything and nothing. Doesn't affect how I saw that story since I was interested in what our protagonist was doing all along. Glad that I stuck with it for the final season.

Just finished Part I and my mind is already completely blown. Not reading anything until Part II.

Another amazing episode with the music, sound effects, camera, everything. Such a mind ****.

Damn not what I expected, but honestly better. Big spoilers below, as should be expected. I would black out it out, but instead I'll quote using the reference from Part II: "I see the spoiler and I want it painted black."



*** PAINT IT BLACK ***




I feel like the black Escalade, Elliott in a box, and the parking lot totally gave away who the real Elliott was: Tyrell. Which is what a number of people have been saying all season. He's the real Elliot, and when he got shot and later died in the woods, and saw the light, that was the recursive dream. His happy dream. Which kind of makes sense as he was always a bit passive. And he looks kind of like Christian Slater.

Might also be why he was into that kinky stuff with his wife - due to his family issues.

The other idea is that he's the drug addict, but I'd need to rewatch it all to see when the transition happens, and watch the interactions between the two. But thinking about them interacting in the SUV, that might have been a mental discussion.

When the hacker personality walks toward the red door, all I could think of was the Rolling Stones song, which is very appropriate considering hacker Elliott says to Mr. Robot "I always thought it would just be black."

Either way, great ending, amazing show, and one of my all time favorites.

The dream world also has Tyrell and Elliott changing positions, both in personality and style of dress. And think back to hacker Elliott's interaction with Tyrell's wife and the baby.

That's the only explanation.

What about the fact that Darlene calls him "Elliot" when he opens his eye in the last scene? Was that Rami Malek's eye?

Re-watched the S1EP1. Mastermind Elliott doesn't know Mr Robot, Darlene, or Tyrell. The mother and child are both introduced as well.

Based on how Mr Robot interacts with Elliott and others, and how they interact with both of them, I still think Elliott and Tyrell are the same. I think his ghetto apartment is a cover for where Tyrell pretends to live.

I'm still a bit confused because for most of the series, Mr. Robot was the aggressor / Mastermind, so maybe each personality shows traits of the others (boy Elliott getting aggressive with his dad in the theater). That might also be why Tyrell struggles with bouts of violence.

Now I've got to decide if I'm going to re-watch the entire series to find more clues. Damn.

Just finished. Im not convinced Tyrell is Elliot. I want to think we never saw the "real" Elliot the entire series. Mostly bc I don't like Tyrell. Also, at the end they make it very clear that his real name is "Elliot Alderson". Great finale and dammit now I want to rewatch it all. With a 3 year old and 2 babies I should have it rewatched by 2030.

I agree that we never saw the "real" Elliot. Everything we saw was from "mastermind" Elliot's point of view.

It was weird and not sure how I feel about it. White rose's machine Was never truly explained but I understand that the show is more about the psyche of Elliot versus focusing on the machine.

Not sure how I feel about the Elliot we all know now never being the true Elliot, but it's better than it actually being some time machine alternate reality garbage randomly thrown in there. For there to be another twist on his psychological state is more in line with the overall themes and story of the show.

I've loved the vast majority of this series, and when it was good it was really good, but the two-hour finale was probably the worst finale I've ever seen. Just utter, excruciating nonsense. Esmail basically did the Dallas/it-was-all-a-dream thing, and I could not be more disappointed. Seriously, how the heck was that the finale to the series we've been watching for four seasons? It almost felt like a completely different show, and I honestly don't know that a finale has ever made me retroactively dislike a series as much as this one just did.

I've heard and read Esmail say so many times that he "hates plot" and that it's all about character for him, and I love that in theory, but the convoluted layers upon layers of plot he used to reveal character in the end seemed to be in direct opposition to his credo. Also, I get that the alternate world was supposed to be this perfect, Stepford-esque version of reality, and thus the cookie cutter iterations of the characters, but still... the dialogue was sooooo bad. That, and all the reveals ultimately came across as over-the-top nothingness.

But more than anything, I just found it incredibly boring, which was its greatest sin, IMO.

What a past couple of weeks it's been for massively disappointing final installments of properties that kicked off in 2015 and then spent four years building to I-can't-believe-THAT'S-how-they-chose-to-end-this crescendos...

You're not wrong

Sam Esmail expressed his disdain for plot in general in his appearance on The Watch podcast last week.

Guess he wasn't bluffing.

TCTTS said:

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I've loved the vast majority of this series, and when it was good it was really good, but the two-hour finale was probably the worst finale I've ever seen. Just utter, excruciating nonsense. Esmail basically did the Dallas/it-was-all-a-dream thing, and I could not be more disappointed. Seriously, how the heck was that the finale to the series we've been watching for four seasons? It almost felt like a completely different show, and I honestly don't know that a finale has ever made me retroactively dislike a series as much as this one just did.

I've heard and read Esmail say so many times that he "hates plot" and that it's all about character for him, and I love that in theory, but the convoluted layers upon layers of plot he used to reveal character in the end seemed to be in direct opposition to his credo. Also, I get that the alternate world was supposed to be this perfect, Stepford-esque version of reality, and thus the cookie cutter iterations of the characters, but still... the dialogue was sooooo bad. That, and all the reveals ultimately came across as over-the-top nothingness.

But more than anything, I just found it incredibly boring, which was its greatest sin, IMO.

What a past couple of weeks it's been for massively disappointing final installments of properties that kicked off in 2015 and then spent four years building to I-can't-believe-THAT'S-how-they-chose-to-end-this crescendos...

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I liked the ending, but i don't disagree with most of what you said.

Homecoming ending fit very well and wrapped up the series appropriately. But that was one season.

To go from movie to 4 season series, yeah that's a lot of filler and confusion. But...Istillthinktyleriselliott

HotardRat said:

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Sam Esmail expressed his disdain for plot in general in his appearance on The Watch podcast last week.

Guess he wasn't bluffing.

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what does that even mean, disdain for plot? Sounds like the kind of thing you say when you arent capable of crafting a tight narrative. I still really enjoyed the show as a whole, but I found myself fast forwarding a lot when I binge watched this last season. Maybe I wouldnt have if I watched it in real time.

Janice is an all time villain. He created some very great characters and moments throughout this shows life