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Could you imagine?

Heck, as much as I look forward to finally getting something produced, the thought of the inevitable/official thread for it on TexAgs makes me shudder. For everything I've critiqued on here over the years, and all the arguments I've gotten in, I'll be shocked if the karma is not immense.
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bonfarr said:

OP should post a doc of his screenplay and let Texags provide feedback.


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Bunk Moreland said:

OP after he forces his script into the hands of TCTTS, SteadicaTm and maybe nai06's wife.
What happened to SteadicaTm? Is he still around?
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James Woods in Entourage
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TCTTS said:

Could you imagine?

Heck, as much as I look forward to finally getting something produced, the thought of the inevitable/official thread for it on TexAgs makes me shudder. For everything I've critiqued on here over the years, and all the arguments I've gotten in, I'll be shocked if the karma is not immense.
I've already written up a 25,000-word manifesto about everything that is wrong with your project. Just waiting for it to be released so I can fill in the details.
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This has been a fascinating read.
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MSFC Aggie said:

Bunk Moreland said:

OP after he forces his script into the hands of TCTTS, SteadicaTm and maybe nai06's wife.
What happened to SteadicaTm? Is he still around?

Used to be Facebook friends but after reading your post I realized I hadn't seen him post in a while. Went and looked and he's vanished. Guess he grew up and left us all behind.
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I'm sure you are aware of how competitive the industry is. It's not just talent, commitment, luck, relationships, and connections - it's perseverance. And hopefully you have a trust fund also.

Look, I don't mind mentoring young people, especially those who are hungry, humble, and don't message me every other day seeking detailed feedback. And I don't have any doubt whatsoever you are a good dude.

Problem is I am burnt out. Cynical. There are a lot of knowledge people here, and even a few in the industry I really respect - TNNCS will have a series soon, and I'm very happy for him. Where I am burnt out is in the correcting of so many hot garbage opinions. I present detailed, factual, and comprehensive takes and advices, and for what? What is the point of it all?

Let's connect next week. We'll see what we can do.
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kais77
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Thank you for your reply!

I keep hearing different things about whether or not you need to be in LA to make it writing, and it is good to hear the cold hard truth someone already working!

A little more about me - I am currently in the Texas National Guard in Houston, flying AH-64s. For my full-time job I am working as a GS12 as a flight operations officer at the flight facility here. I really think I lucked out, and have a good financial situation - saving up some cash. My commitment to the military is still 5 more years (in the National Guard) so that, on top of the job, is what ties me down to Texas at the moment. I am using my free time to continue to build up a portfolio of spec scripts. I would be lying to you if I said that leaving all that income and going to live in LA does not seem like a dauntless idea!

Nonetheless, I have always loved filmmaking which has developed into my love and craft for screenwriting! As far as formatting, I have read Syd Field's Foundations of Screenwriting on it as well as other typical books such as Save the Cat, etc. I have Final Draft 11 which seems to easily do it for you; I have been using Final Draft for all my writing.

I have read a lot of scripts as well! I have pulled some off the Blacklist to read. I was also a reader for a guy's small production company and would give him some coverage on scripts. He made his claim to fame by winning a Spielburg Short film competition back around the mid 2000s. In short, he always made a lot of promises, but but they did not come to fruition. I guess there are a lot of empty promises in the industry and you just have to keep working!

The only thing I have done with my spec script so far is submitting it to the Austin Film Festival. I have it registered with the WGA West and the Copyright Office. The whole idea of marketing, sending out query letters, etc. is all new to me. I honestly have had no guidance other than what I can find online and read. In short, I just wanted to reach out and find connections because I don't have a lot of friends or acquaintances that are into writing successfully (most my friends are military haha!)
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That's awesome to hear. It sounds like you're definitely on top of things. In a rare situation such as yours, given your current job commitment, you have an ideal opportunity to keep "honing your craft" without the pressure of having to try and "make it" and work some crappy side job as you do.

When the time comes, if and when you do choose to make the leap, I would absolutely lean into your unique background as a pilot. That's a GREAT way to market yourself as a writer and stand apart. Again, Hollywood often cares as much as the writer as they do about the writing, and you have a unique story/perspective/narrative there. I know a former undercover cop who successfully made the transition to screenwriting, and execs actively want to meet him, if only to hear his unique story/perspective. It of course helps that he's a phenomenal writer, but his unique background helps him to stand out from the pack, and yours can too, no question.

In the meantime, outside of writing, of course, the best thing you can do is continue to read as many scrips as possible (and pay attention to the details when you do). I'm sure you have your own sites you pull from, but this one is more of an "insider" resource that has been making the rounds, which I've found incredibly helpful, and has many scripts the usual suspects don't have...

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B98ZdIxoETG5Qk81S1YwNk1DaTQ

I would also highly recommend John August and Craig Mazin's Scriptnotes podcast. Their episode library features a vast wealth of knowledge - easily the best free resources there is - from screenwriting itself to how to navigate the business...

https://johnaugust.com/scriptnotes

Anyway, again, hit me up privately any time, as it sounds like you're well on your way to taking the necessary steps, and you seem to have a genuine curiosity/passion for potentially turning this pursuit into something real.
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In movies they always say they dont take unsolicited scripts because they can get accused of stealing ideas. Is that really how it works or do people just pass out scripts like candy in LA?
Disclaimer: Views expressed in this post reflect the opinions of Texags user bonfarr and are not to be accepted as facts or to be taken at face value.
TCTTS
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Yeah, that's actually exactly how it works. To protect themselves from liability, most companies not only have a strict no unsolicited screenplays policy (meaning scripts that don't come from agents, managers, etc), most companies are also WGA (Writers Guild of America) signatories, and are thus bound to a collective bargaining agreement, which forbids signatories from hiring non-WGA writers. So those signatories don't even entertain reading work from non-WGA writers in the first place.

It's why random Joe Schmoe writer can't just send a script to, say, Jerry Bruckheimer's office, and someone there will read it. Agents and managers are the gate keepers in that regard, and the ones who *do* read unsolicited scripts, and then it's the agents and managers who separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, and then submit the cream of the crop to the production companies and studios.

My company hasn't yet been in a position to need to become a WGA signatory, though we probably will relatively soon. Regardless, one of my three fellow partners is also a literary manager, and he can take on a client in that capacity, so we're in this gray area of basically deciding on a case-by-case basis what we read from the "outside," if anything. Other companies are in similar situations, so there are sometimes exceptions to the rules, of course, but by and large, the above is basically how it works.
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We sound semi-similar (if that's a word).

I too am in Houston. I am a software developer, but I've always been a film nut. Wife and three kids makes it hard to imagine ever making a move to LA unless I had some serious interest and reason.

I read all the books you listed, use Final Draft, etc.

Right now I have one completed original screenplay, registered the same places as you. I've entered it into a couple contests and gotten very positive feedback from the readers, although haven't won anything. I also randomly got Gwart (from Silicon Valley) to read it and she also gave very positive feedback along with notes.

I don't think TCTTS has ever read mine. I guess I've been hesitant to ask or assumed he would be busy.

TCTTS, I couldn't help but laugh at your formatting note. I read a screenplay from someone on here a couple years ago. It was actually a good idea, good story, VERY detailed, but was written in Word with damn near no formatting. I wonder if we read the same script

Anywho, I have about 60% of another screenplay (based on a true story) as well as a couple ideas that right now are just huge Notes in my iPhone where I dump random lines/jokes/ideas/imagery when it pops in my head.

Feel free to email me if you want to keep in touch or share notes. JimPike01 @ gmail dot com
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Damn it. All this talk is making me want to rewatch Entourage.
TCTTS
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I totally forgot about the Gwart thing. I still find that so hilarious (and awesome).

And yeah, we're probably talking about the same script, as one of the ones I was referring to was written in Word as well. I don't mean to sh*t on the guy at all - to complete any draft of a script is a major accomplishment, no matter the format - but that's just a non-starter, not just for me, but for anyone.

That said, I'd love to read your stuff sometime. Right now I'm juggling three projects, two of which I'll have complete mid-summer or so, at which point I should have a bit more time to read and relax and not feel so guilty procrastinating on TexAgs between scenes and bouts of writer's block.
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Bunk Moreland said:

OP after he forces his script into the hands of TCTTS, SteadicaTm and maybe nai06's wife.




Lol. If only things worked that way.


Although Disney bought the rights to her latest book.

So I got that going for me.
Bunk Moreland
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Good for yall. Congrats.
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Great to hear. Congrats, indeed.
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Are you the guy who's wife's book got made into a movie with Jennifer Aniston?
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Awesome on the book deal, congrats!

And I guess I can chime in on this topic as I've got a bit more than a passing interest, my day job is in design but I studied animation for a few years as well and started working on an animated short a few years ago. My co-director is an animator and pre-viz artist in Hollywood and we're hoping to pitch this as a series to Netflix, we've had a pretty sizable team working on it with lots of artists who work in feature animation and VFX as well as some AAA game studios.

Bits and pieces of concept art, stills, and animation can be found at http://instagram.com/keedtv/ if anyone is interested.
TCTTS
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Looks awesome.
fig96
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Thanks, it's coming along.
Jim01
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Looks cool.

If it gets picked up and you need writers, remember this thread.
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Drawkcab said:

Are you the guy who's wife's book got made into a movie with Jennifer Aniston?
yeah thats me. To be completely honest, there is no guarantee the movie gets made, especially with the way things are now. I just assume its not going to happen until its actually completed. Its still a fun thing.
fig96
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Haha, will do.
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TCTTS, Howdy! I am also a pilot in the National Guard and aspiring screenwriter (and a close friend, collaborator and former roommate of the OP) though I am working on a PhD on the civilian side. You've provided a lot of useful insight on this thread, thanks for that. I am wondering about the emphasis you've placed on LA specifically. I certainly understand the importance of physical presence for integrating into the community and industry, however, what would you say about other cities in the US that are growing film industries of their own (Atlanta, Austin, New York)? I know its no comparison to the City of Angels but would you still consider LA the only serious option? I am currently in DC, though from TX, but would be prepared to move to a city that would afford the most concrete opportunities.
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First post, welcome aboard.

I'm sure TCTTS will respond but, look at it this way, are you trying to get to "The Show" or would you rather grind it out in the bus leagues for decades?

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Hey, no problem. And welcome.

I'll try to explain this as best as I can, from what I've seen and experienced firsthand. I'm sure there are a bunch of articles you can find that touch on the broader advantages of being a screenwriter in LA, but as someone who's been both indirectly involved with the behind-the-scenes of multiple screenwriting competitions, and also has a business partner who did the whole write-from-another-state thing, here's what insight I can offer...

At least for the immediate, foreseeable future, an aspiring screenwriter simply cannot become a professional/successful screenwriter without representation, meaning an agent and/or a manager. And LA is, of course, where all the agents and managers are (though, yes, they are also in New York, but not nearly to the extent they are in LA). These are the people who not only guide your career, but get you the meetings. And the meetings are what result in the writing assignments, and the writing assignment are obviously how a writer makes a living. Very few screenwriters make a living writing on spec, meaning writing an original script before receiving payment, or before even knowing that someone might want to buy it. The way most screenwriters make a living is by taking meetings with production companies and studios, and either pitching to get hired to write a project a company already has in mind (an "open writing assignment") - or - pitching an original idea of your own that a company will then pay you to write.

Either way, the writer is getting paid (at least a portion of their fee) before they commence writing. In other words, it's what separates a career from a series of gambles.

So, the process of not only acquiring representation, but then taking meeting after meeting after meeting - for basically the duration of your career - is made infinitely easier by actually living in LA, where all of the studios and most of the production companies are as well. For instance, if you're a writer writing in your apartment in LA, your agent calls and says so-and-so loves your writing, wants to meet Tuesday at their office in Burbank, you say "great," hang up the phone, and then simply drive to that office at the scheduled time. If you're even halfway successful, this is likely going to happen multiple times a month, if not multiple times a week in some cases. And it's so much easier when you can just say ok and be wherever whenever someone asks you - when it accommodates THIER schedule.

But let's say you've somehow managed to land representation while still living in Texas or DC or even New York or wherever, and you get that same call from your agent. Now that meeting suddenly requires booking a plane ticket and a hotel room that you are almost assuredly paying for (unless, of course, you're big time/being courted). But writers in this instance never fly out for just one meeting. Your agent is going to have to bend over backwards to try and schedule a bunch of other meetings over the course of the five days or so they're going to want you to be in LA in order to maximize the trip and squeeze in a couple months worth of meetings. So you not only have to marathon these meetings, zipping all around town for five straight days, you're only meeting with the companies that can accommodate YOUR very limited schedule. And because meeting times are sparse, and execs are always cancelling last minute anyway because of some on-set emergency or a bigger name was available to meet in your time slot, you're severely handicapping yourself in terms of potential job opportunities that you would have otherwise been available to meet for had you been living in LA.

This speaks nothing then of actually having written a film that's in production, collaborating with execs, producers, and directors during development, working with other writers, etc - most of which is happening in LA. Or writing for TV. Again, certain successful screenwriters *do* find ways to live/write outside of LA. But no matter your level of success in the TV world, if you want to write for TV, you HAVE to live in LA (or New York, in some cases, if that's where your show is located) because of the nature of writers rooms and how all of that works. You simply can't write TV apart from your writing team, and that team is almost assuredly located in LA.

As for Atlanta, Austin, New York, Toronto, etc, if you want to be on a production crew or a featured extra, sure. Those are great cities to live in and still be a part of the film world. But I would venture to guess that, say, 90% of the projects filming in those cities are still written in LA (unless, again, the show you're working on is filming in New York, and even then, most of those are written in LA), or you're Tyler Perry living and writing in Atlanta.

If anything, at the very least, even just the willingness to live in LA shows everyone that you're serious, but actually moving here cements your dedication in the eyes of the gatekeepers. And you're going to need every advantage you can get in that regard. Again, you'd have to be an immensely talented aspiring screenwriter to insist on not living in LA and yet still have someone willing to take a chance on you. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, and either you or kais77 may very well be that good. I have no idea. Generally speaking, though, the chances are slim.

That said, both of you seem to have the necessary dedication, or at least level heads about the whole thing, and that's a good chunk of the battle right there.
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HollywoodBQ said:

First post, welcome aboard.

I'm sure TCTTS will respond but, look at it this way, are you trying to get to "The Show" or would you rather grind it out in the bus leagues for decades?



Far more succinctly put, and likely more effectively makes the same point.
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TCTTS said:

Far more succinctly put, and likely more effectively makes the same point.
What you wrote was awesome!

Especially the bit about taking meetings over the hill, etc.

Now that I'm back in "The Valley", all the memories are flowing back about neighbours taking meetings, going to auditions, etc.

And that's the way it happens. If I had a nickel for every time I had a friend who said - hey, can you watch my kids, that was my agent on the phone and I've got an audition at 4pm this afternoon in Santa Monica, I need to leave now.

Even when I moved back into my house at the end of February, I met one of my neighbours who is a commercial actress and her husband was out late that evening, shooting a commercial for something or another.

It's just part of the local culture and everybody is setup to support it. In the same way that the Bay Area is setup for people bouncing from one tech start-up to the next.
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Yeah, the actor world is even crazier. Writers at least get the courtesy of a meeting being scheduled days in advance. But for so many aspiring actors they get little to no warning in some instances and have to drop everything to make a last-minute or next-day audition. Writers also get the pretense in meetings of everyone saying they love them, even if nothing ever comes of it. But actors have to drop everything to more often than not be bluntly told no either to their face or by their agent after the fact. No thanks.
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TCTTS said:

Yeah, the actor world is even crazier. Writers at least get the courtesy of a meeting being scheduled days in advance. But for so many aspiring actors they get little to no warning in some instances and have to drop everything to make a last-minute or next-day audition. Writers also get the pretense in meetings of everyone saying they love them, even if nothing ever comes of it. But actors have to drop everything to more often than not be bluntly told no either to their face or by their agent after the fact. No thanks.
Did that for a number of years (hence the username). Life and responsibilities, like twins, made me exit that game. It's definitely a grind. Many of my friends are showing up in little things here and there which is awesome to see, but man did it take them a long time to get there. And even when you think you've gotten there you aren't really there.

Friend of mine has done a few broadway shows, took over for lead roles in them, and done a bunch of the usual NYC actor things (like SVU) and still waits tables and does odd jobs like that between gigs. He's also a musician so that helps a little but it's not an easy life by any stretch. And the last minute thing, like you said, makes it almost impossible to do anything but service industry stuff because you have to be able to take a call at 9am and be at an audition that same day.

The rejection and the self doubt that comes with it is something you have to constantly fight. Sometimes being told no to your face is a mercy because there are times when you do the audition and hear nothing for months. Or you get cast in projects that ultimately fall through. I had a bunch of those. Films that were going to get made where I got cast in decent roles only to hear back a few weeks later that the money didn't come through like they hoped and the whole thing is scrapped.

The ones that hurt the most are the ones that you were in the final couple options for and ultimately it was about something out of your control. I would get rejections where they said things like "you were great but we wanted someone ______" Fill in the blank with whatever you can think of - fatter, taller, shorter, blonde, older, younger.

That ended up being longer than I meant it to be. Apologies for derailing the thread but TCTTS's post took me down memory lane for a minute.
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https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/2735053/5
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Don't apologize. Very interesting to hear stories like these.
 
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