Nope not just you

John Francis Donaghy said:

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Is it just me, or does every Junkhead thread Bout any tv show turn into a Breaking Bad pissing match?

Dude, I get you loved Breaking Bad, but it's been over for 7 years. Move on. It's ok to enjoy new shows without constantly whipping your Breaking Bad measuring stick.

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Fair point but so many people told me I'd love this show because I loved BB. And you have to admit there are clear similarities in the storylines.

I don't go into any new show expecting to like it like I did BB. That's a recipe for disaster. But I had enough people that know me recommend Ozark that I thought for sure I'd like it. I absolutely went in hoping to find a new show to love. It's just a big swing and a miss for me.

My last reply I said this show is incredibly overrated. That was harsh and exaggerated. I'm not a fan of the show, but its not an awful show.

I'll go a little deeper as to why I think that.

To me, Ozark showcases top notch writing, producing, cast, and directing. They (and Batemen gets credit on the development side since he produced it) take a one dimensional actor known for ridiculously dry, sarcastic, self deprecating, ironic comedy.. who doesn't act any different than any other role he's ever been in, and they build a universe around him that makes this EXACT same acting seem dark and serious. THAT is talent.

That being said, the show is polarizing for people. Not in a love it / hate it way.. more in a love it / meh way. I'm on the meh side. I just don't really care for the plight of the main protagonist / anti-hero. I didn't like Breaking Bad, but I pulled for WW. I don't pull for Bateman here. I keep hoping he gets his ass handed to him, and thats because of his one dimensional acting style that keeps me thinking that this is the same character from Horrible Bosses, Couples Retreat, and Hancock, and is merely a sequel for his character. The plot itself to me is not my cup of tea. I actually enjoyed the 1st season more than the 2nd. I felt it at least did a decent job setting up the story. After that, it just became another "detective styled show" where they conveniently find a way out of ridiculously idiotic and unbelievable situations. And the times something genuinely doesn't go the right way, it's over the top.

Just my opinion.

I think those of us that like Ozark the best can disassociate this show with Bateman's other performances and with other tv shows (namely, Breaking Bad).

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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You really need to give Dark another shot.

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This is on my radar after hearing a lot of y'all rave about it.

Chipotlemonger said:

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I think those of us that like Ozark the best can disassociate this show with Bateman's other performances and with other tv shows (namely, Breaking Bad).

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And that's reasonable. Perhaps I am guilty of being overly critical through not giving the show enough credit for its premise. Due to the sheer volume of content available, it is tough to not compare to something else in remotely similar categories. Those that love this show seem to think that season 3 starts to separate it and really form its own identity.

mazag08 said:

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Chipotlemonger said:

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I think those of us that like Ozark the best can disassociate this show with Bateman's other performances and with other tv shows (namely, Breaking Bad).

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And that's reasonable. Perhaps I am guilty of being overly critical through not giving the show enough credit for its premise. Due to the sheer volume of content available, it is tough to not compare to something else in remotely similar categories. Those that love this show seem to think that season 3 starts to separate it and really form its own identity.

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I was going to ask if you'd watched S3, because the end of that season in particular is...wow.

I though the second half of S1 was really good with the development of Ruth's character, then lost some interest in S2 but kept with it. But S3, with the admitted annoyance of one particular character that makes you repeatedly say "WHY ARE YOU SUCH AN IDIOT?" is really fantastic all the way through.

Junkhead said:

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powerbelly said:

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Junkhead said:

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powerbelly said:

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Junkhead said:

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I just don't buy the Bateman character or this plot at all. I think part of the brilliance of BB was making Walter White's transformation from nerdy science teacher to meth kingpin actually believable.

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Okay.

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Uh, did you actually watch the show? He made a **** ton of mistakes and was constantly having to dig himself out of errors Jesse and he made. Is it likely to happen IRL? No. But the writers did a great job of making it seem like it could. Ozark is just SMH stupid.

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I bailed about half way through. It never seemed realistic.

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I get that it's not likely to happen but the way they showed it didn't make you have to make a giant leap IMO. In Ozark they just jumped right in with "this average person has been laundering cartel money for a long time" like it needed no background. So ****ing dumb.

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They do a backstory episode a little later in Season 1. It helps explain some of his motivation. Before that, all I could think was "Why is this guy involved in this? He lives a frugal lifestyle and doesn't seem to have much of an ego."

Junkhead said:

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TCTTS said:

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No show is more masterful at cranking up the tension to 11, only to have the characters figure out a last-second solve.

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Uh, Breaking Bad?

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Currently airing.

Interesting that people on here are saying the thread is too overly critical. The most blue starred posts are the ones saying it's good.

Ozark is really good imho. Is it one of the best shows ever made? No, certainly not in my opinion but its a good watch.

Sometimes certain shows just don't resonate with certain people. For instance Dexter...

I love anything relating to serial killers
I love anything relating to forensics
I love anything relating to cops (or cop shows)
I love anything relating to Julie Benz


Yet, I'm having the hardest time relating to Dexter right now even though it involves all of the above. I'll stick with it a bit longer and see what happens.

Chipotlemonger said:

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I think those of us that like Ozark the best can disassociate this show with Bateman's other performances and with other tv shows (namely, Breaking Bad).

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Sandy Duncan is very disappointed with what Jason has gotten himself into. Drug cartels?

Good show. Not at Breaking Bad level, but still good. I probably am in the minority, but Bateman's acting is too wooden to me. It's like his character doesn't care if he lives or dies.

Junkhead said:

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powerbelly said:

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Junkhead said:

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I just don't buy the Bateman character or this plot at all. I think part of the brilliance of BB was making Walter White's transformation from nerdy science teacher to meth kingpin actually believable.

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Okay.

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Uh, did you actually watch the show? He made a **** ton of mistakes and was constantly having to dig himself out of errors Jesse and he made. Is it likely to happen IRL? No. But the writers did a great job of making it seem like it could. Ozark is just SMH stupid.

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You're going to see this happen alot in S1 of Ozark. Same in S2

I guess my biggest problems are we jumped right in with this guy being a big time money launderer for the cartel and for me Jason Bateman does not fit the role at all. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

I just started Breaking Bad and just finished episode 2. I'm a former chemistry teacher and now compounding pharmacist. I don't know where to begin to start making meth except I need Sudafed

Junkhead said:

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I guess my biggest problems are we jumped right in with this guy being a big time money launderer for the cartel and for me Jason Bateman does not fit the role at all. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

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How does he not fit the role?

That's why you need a Jesse

delete op, ban thread

John Francis Donaghy said:

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Junkhead said:

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I guess my biggest problems are we jumped right in with this guy being a big time money launderer for the cartel and for me Jason Bateman does not fit the role at all. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

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How does he not fit the role?

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It's hard for me to put into words. I just don't buy that he's this big time money launderer guy. When everyone was getting whacked around him he seemed way too composed for me. I don't dislike him as an actor at all so it's not that.

I understand what you mean. He's a little too unflappable.

Junkhead said:

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John Francis Donaghy said:

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Junkhead said:

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I guess my biggest problems are we jumped right in with this guy being a big time money launderer for the cartel and for me Jason Bateman does not fit the role at all. Obviously most people seem to disagree.

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How does he not fit the role?

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It's hard for me to put into words. I just don't buy that he's this big time money launderer guy. When everyone was getting whacked around him he seemed way too composed for me. I don't dislike him as an actor at all so it's not that.

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Do you think he should cower and shudder in fear instead?

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ozark is really good imho. Is it one of the best shows ever made? No, certainly not in my opinion but its a good watch.

Sometimes certain shows just don't resonate with certain people. For instance Dexter...

I love anything relating to serial killers
I love anything relating to forensics
I love anything relating to cops (or cop shows)
I love anything relating to Julie Benz


Yet, I'm having the hardest time relating to Dexter right now even though it involves all of the above. I'll stick with it a bit longer and see what happens.

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What season of Dexter are you on? I hope you make it to season 4 before bailing. (Bail anytime after that if necessary!)

I expect some kind of reaction when someone like his character sees everyone around him getting murdered knowing he's next. It's not something he's used to seeing on a regular basis.

Almost done w season 1. Dont think I'll bail though just yet.

Counterpoint said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ozark is really good imho. Is it one of the best shows ever made? No, certainly not in my opinion but its a good watch.

Sometimes certain shows just don't resonate with certain people. For instance Dexter...

I love anything relating to serial killers
I love anything relating to forensics
I love anything relating to cops (or cop shows)
I love anything relating to Julie Benz


Yet, I'm having the hardest time relating to Dexter right now even though it involves all of the above. I'll stick with it a bit longer and see what happens.

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What season of Dexter are you on? I hope you make it to season 4 before bailing. (Bail anytime after that if necessary!)

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bail immediately after season 4.