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*** The Gray Man *** Ryan Gosling & Chris Evans in Russo Bros directed Netflix film

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Looks like **** and way too colorful and digital.
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Exactly. It looks like the movie within a movie that the movie star character starred in.
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oragator said:

I think it helped that' after the trailer I went in with zero expectations. It was pretty much what I thought it would be.
But I am looking forward to the post after the movie, because outside of Chris Evans it doesn't get better, if anything it gets more towards what you already don't like.


Ha, assuming I make it to "after the movie."
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Can't wait for Generic Netflix Spy Movie 2!

Here's to another ridiculously conventional plot that feels like it was written by an algorithm, with even more terrible yet confidently delivered one-liners!

Can't wait to see which run-of-the-mill international locations we get to visit! Especially ones that have no relation to the characters inhabiting them or connection to the story as a whole.

Oh, and cliched, corrupt officials with no discernible motivations? Yeah, I'm going to need even more of those for sure. In fact, while you're at it, I'm also hoping we get at least three additional retired officials willing to blow themselves up to save the day, because two in one movie wasn't nearly enough.

I don't know about you, but maybe another evil assassin with an incomprehensible moral compass as well?

What about a flatter, even-more-digital aesthetic? Preferably one that looks even worse than a CW show this time, as opposed to an aesthetic on par with one?

Also, the more bland, cheap-to-option classic rock songs, the better. Thank you!

And last not but least… drone shots! So. Many. Drone. Shots. Hell yes!!!!!
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You know what to do Hansen Government Services.

I think you're doing a disservice to how tongue in cheek and fun Evans' performance was, and Netflix released it on the big screen a week before it streamed, so it can't be that, Shirley.
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TCTTS said:


Here's to another ridiculously conventional plot that feels like it was written by an algorithm,...
And not just any algorithm, the original Netflix algorithm - the one that would make recommendations like "since you like movies with chase scenes in Prague and off-the-books super spies who aren't slowed down by multiple deep stab wounds, give Gray Man a try"
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Haha, the rant didn't disappoint, this looks like my west world one a few weeks ago!

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The movie was fine, it's the result of the Netflix formula. Hello director, would you like a lot of money to make a movie for Netflix with no oversight or strings attached? Seeing stuff like this is good because it clearly separates Netflix from what we see in theaters. Netflix is much better at series than features. Directors think they want creative control and a limitless budget, but ironically that rarely works out. I think it would be better if Netflix gave them creative freedom but tightened the purse strings. There are so many films that will never see the light of day because of the fact they'll never turn into perpetual blockbuster IP. There's a missing niche Netflix could fill if they wanted to, but don't appear interested in. Financial constraints could lead them to some creative films that a bottomless budget will never bring them to.

The fact I didn't hate it puts it in the top 1% of Netflix original films.
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double aught said:

Just trying for James Bond level success, no pressure.

This is the first I've heard of it, btw.
Bond is so far superior in every aspect it's not even close!

this was your classic

"let's make CGI in every possible scene and have the good guy escape from situations which are impossible in the world of physics and gravity"
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TCTTS said:

Can't wait for Generic Netflix Spy Movie 2!

Here's to another ridiculously conventional plot that feels like it was written by an algorithm, with even more terrible yet confidently delivered one-liners!

Can't wait to see which run-of-the-mill international locations we get to visit! Especially ones that have no relation to the characters inhabiting them or connection to the story as a whole.

Oh, and cliched, corrupt officials with no discernible motivations? Yeah, I'm going to need even more of those for sure. In fact, while you're at it, I'm also hoping we get at least three additional retired officials willing to blow themselves up to save the day, because two in one movie wasn't nearly enough.

I don't know about you, but maybe another evil assassin with an incomprehensible moral compass as well?

What about a flatter, even-more-digital aesthetic? Preferably one that looks even worse than a CW show this time, as opposed to an aesthetic on par with one?

Also, the more bland, cheap-to-option classic rock songs, the better. Thank you!

And last not but least… drone shots! So. Many. Done. Shots. Hell yes!!!!!

100% Agree!!

what's simply mind boggling is that average Americans can all see this is the case- but Hollywood is thinking

"you know what we need now?? a former agent whose agency turns against him,

with evil government caricature figures who you wouldn't hire at a McDonalds

(we need 3 HARVARD geniuses who throw coffee cups at glass windows and have the impulse and anger control of Vladimir Putin but are the top officials in the CIA!!!)"
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oragator said:

Maybe it will be great, but it looks like about a dozen other similar movies.
I was literally thinking "this is just like that OTHER movie with a spy who is being hunted by his own agency with evil government officials in on a vast conspiracy"

is there any other type of movie out there anymore?
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TCTTS said:




I'm no expert. Can you explain what makes these shots bad?
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This movie didn't do anything really original, but it was more just a run of the mill action movie. I found it mostly enjoyable and appreciated it for what it was. Certainly not "bad" but not "must see" either. I think most people forget about it in a year or two much like most direct to streaming movies.
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What the hell was that ending? I was putting this in the "indifferent" category for the first 99% but that finale was so… sudden and inconsequential. There were 14 minutes left, I thought surely the drive would matter or the head ****** would be taken down or something. But nope! Just another getaway like the other 30 getaways we'd already seen. Credits.
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JayHowdy! said:

If this is a movie based on the Mark Greaney novels (The Gray Man Series) count me in. I have been a fan for ten years.

FYI - Greaney was the best ghost writer that took over for Tom Clancy after his death. Great writer, and material to make a movie.




I thought that name sounded familiar.
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I think just so much grey and drab in that first one, way too dark in the second one, sloppy CGI like a PS2 cinematic in the falling scene.

Maybe Markus and McFeely were the real geniuses?
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This is possibly the worst adaptation of a novel ever. I had such high hopes for this with the casting and directors. What an utter piece of crap.

The Terminal List was a horrible adaptation of a great book, but still managed to be entertaining.

I doing know why I ever thought this would be a faithful representation of the story.
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LMCane said:

oragator said:

Maybe it will be great, but it looks like about a dozen other similar movies.
I was literally thinking "this is just like that OTHER movie with a spy who is being hunted by his own agency with evil government officials in on a vast conspiracy"

is there any other type of movie out there anymore?


I think a better movie would be a spy being hunted by his own agency because he thinks evil government officials are in on a vast conspiracy but he's really just a spy turned paranoid schizophrenic, but the big reveal isn't made until the end.
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9 edits and your last, "Drone," is still, "Done."
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ABATTBQ11 said:

9 edits and your last, "Drone," is still, "Done."
As I've explained countless times, I edit. A lot. Deal with it.

And now, because of your attentiveness, I get to edit once more. Much appreciated.
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rhutton125 said:

What the hell was that ending? I was putting this in the "indifferent" category for the first 99% but that finale was so… sudden and inconsequential. There were 14 minutes left, I thought surely the drive would matter or the head ****** would be taken down or something. But nope! Just another getaway like the other 30 getaways we'd already seen. Credits.
setting up for a second season to take down the Harvard educated anger management CIA director
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oragator said:

Pretty much what I expected above. Standard fare, ok for what it was trying to be. Couple of good lines, the Ken doll reference for one. The Prague scene was massively over the top, and there wasn't much of a plot, but wasn't expecting one going in.
And was fun to watch Chris Evans go against type, thought he did well.
Yes! The Ken doll!

Chris Evans rocked his part, imho.
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LMCane said:

rhutton125 said:

What the hell was that ending? I was putting this in the "indifferent" category for the first 99% but that finale was so… sudden and inconsequential. There were 14 minutes left, I thought surely the drive would matter or the head ****** would be taken down or something. But nope! Just another getaway like the other 30 getaways we'd already seen. Credits.
setting up for a second season to take down the Harvard educated anger management CIA director
They definitely said Harvard more than any other action movie that I can remember.
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You forget Harvard's trio of S movies, which are admittedly mostly forgettable:





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Max Power said:

LMCane said:

rhutton125 said:

What the hell was that ending? I was putting this in the "indifferent" category for the first 99% but that finale was so… sudden and inconsequential. There were 14 minutes left, I thought surely the drive would matter or the head ****** would be taken down or something. But nope! Just another getaway like the other 30 getaways we'd already seen. Credits.
setting up for a second season to take down the Harvard educated anger management CIA director
They definitely said Harvard more than any other action movie that I can remember.
it's the Russos trying to make people think that going to college is a waste of time
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You're welcome
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From the MCU thread:

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Wait, Markus and McFeely wrote this turd?

Man… now I don't know what to believe.
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This is why Netflix can't spend money on big movies.
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perhaps the CGI would have looked better if the artists actually worked instead of just complaining on twitter
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I thought this movie was a big bag of "meh." The CGI was horrible. For reference, MI: Fallout had a budget that was 75% of this movie and looked exponentially better.

In terms of Netflix action films, I'm way more optimistic about the Extraction sequel.

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My issue is everyone else's. It was generic, cliche, packed with one liners, and way too long. I remember at one point thinking, "How is this not over yet?" Also, there were just so many places where the plot seemed idiotic. The whole Prague scene had me thinking, "Where do all these guys come from, and how do they get here so far with ask of these guns?" And then you have Suzanne who is supposed to be babysitting Lloyd, but she spends 95% of the movie complaining about how crazy he is and how he's ****ing things up before she finally kills him. If he was that bad, you have a gun, *****. It's almost like everyone involved with this tried to make it a caricature of a spy action thriller without overtly making it a caricature of a spy action thriller.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

My issue is everyone else's. It was generic, cliche, packed with one liners, and and way too long. I remember at one point thinking, "How is this not over yet?" Also, there were just so many places where the plot seemed idiotic. The wipe Prague scene had me thinking, "Where do all these guys come from, and how do they get here so far with ask of these guns?" And then you have Suzanne who is supposed to be babysitting Lloyd, but she spends 95% of the movie complaining about how crazy he is and how he's ****ing things up before she finally kills him. If he was that bad, you have a gun, *****. It's almost like everyone involved with this tried to make it a caricature of a spy action thriller without overtly making it a caricature of a spy action thriller.
100% spot on

what is insane is that we, the random human being American males on the internet, can see all the flaws immediately in these crappy movies

and yet Millionaire PAID HOLLYWOOD EXPERTS can't see it before they release this @#$@#?~
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