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In reply to TCTTS • 12:46p, 7/1/21
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TCTTS said:
I'm usually the guy explaining time travel to everyone else in movies/shows, but I fully admit that in this particular instance, I have no clue what's going on. I mean, I get the basic gist, obviously, but I still don't understand how variants come into being, what exactly is destroyed when a branch is clipped, etc. Still loving the show, overall, though, and I appreciate that, ultimately, it still works despite the confusion.
I don't think we'll know the actual answers to those questions until it's finished.

And maybe not even then, but Wandavision and FWS weren't left open-ended, were they?
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:48p, 7/1/21
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Dr. Who laid out the all time explanation for when time travel doesn't make sense


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12:49p, 7/1/21
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Just want to throw out there if I met a girl version variant of myself I would absolutely smash

I'd be hot AF as a chick
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:52p, 7/1/21
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I don't know if this is exactly true, but it's the way I've made it work in my head.

First, the assumptions:

1: The whole TVA is controlled by someone
2: That someone is trying to make sure some particular thing happens
3: That person is immensely powerful for reasons that will be explained later

So it helps to not think of it as a timeline, but as a time loop. Imagine a big circle on the wall. Now imagine that time loop is a factory. And every time a loop is completed, it produces (event) that (person) wants to happen.

As long as that loop produces that event, it doesn't matter what happens inside it. Maybe in one loop Loki is a girl, maybe in one loop everyone on Asgard are gorillas, etc, etc. That doesn't matter as long as (thing) happens. And they built the TVA to monitor this.

So they only step in and clip branches and reset when it gets so far off course that (thing) isn't going to happen.

That's how I have to think of it in my head so that it makes any sense.
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In reply to Sex Panther • 12:57p, 7/1/21
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Sex Panther said:
Just want to throw out there if I met a girl version variant of myself I would absolutely smash

I'd be hot AF as a chick
Loved you in Silence of the Lambs!

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In reply to bobinator • 1:05p, 7/1/21
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I think I get most of that, and yeah, have been on board with the TVA being a nefarious entity with ulterior motives.

I guess my main question is, when we saw young Sylvie this past episode, what Asgard was that? The show seems to be saying that alternate timelines (or loops or whatever you want to call them) sprout FROM the sacred timeline. So was ANOTHER Loki - this one a girl - born in the SAME Asgard that our Loki grew up in? And her very existence was a problem, so the TVA snatched her up? Because if not, I don't understand what Asgard that was, if there is only the sacred timeline. If Sylvie was born in a different Asgard (meaning an Asgard in a completely different timeline separate from the sacred timeline, which is what I'm assuming and makes more sense than the former option), where did that timeline come from, and why was it not clipped years prior?

I just don't understand this whole alt/variant Loki concept, and how any of them come into being, when all there is is the sacred timeline (and thus, only one/our Loki). I totally get someone on the sacred timeline doing something that rocks the boat too much, so to speak, and so the TVA has to come in and course-correct. But I don't get when/where alt-versions of Loki were born, if there is only the sacred timeline.
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In reply to Sex Panther • 1:06p, 7/1/21
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Sex Panther said:
Dr. Who laid out the all time explanation for when time travel doesn't make sense



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1:09p, 7/1/21
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Putting aside everything else, it's super messed up because you'd literally share the same parents.

It's probably worse, but at the minimum, exactly as bad as hooking up with your sister
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In reply to Decay • 1:15p, 7/1/21
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Decay said:
Putting aside everything else, it's super messed up because you'd literally share the same parents. Maybe.

It's probably worse, but at the minimum, exactly as bad as hooking up with your sister
We don't actually know for sure how each Loki comes into being, like TC just said. So each one could be completely separate individual beings with no connection beyond being the God/Goddess of Mischief.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:16p, 7/1/21
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That's what was so hard for me to wrap my head around at first and it made no sense which is why I've created this whole thing in my head to make it work.

The way they present the "sacred timeline" it makes it seem like the timeline itself was the sacred thing. That the line always has to be exactly the same. But I think it's actually that the result has to always be the same, not the timeline itself.

For my factory analogy, imagine you're quality control, and your job is to make sure this factory is making widgets. You don't really understand how the factory works, you just know it makes widgets.

So one day, some part of the machine does something different, but the widgets still come out and are the same as they usually are. Well you don't really care, your job isn't to make sure the machine runs the same way every time, it's just to make sure it's making the widgets.

That's what the TVA does.

So, one time through the loop, Loki is born a girl on Asgard. But since this doesn't change the end result, it hasn't upset the "sacred timeline." The thing that's supposed to happen still happened. Another time they're all black, or reptiles, or whatever. It doesn't matter because at the end "thing" still happened.

Now, another time through, that girl does something that did change the end result. The machine didn't build a widget. So the TVA goes in, removes that time branch, and hits reset.
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1:16p, 7/1/21
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Have we talked yet about how sylvie bombing the sacred timeline made no sense?

The time bombs are used to erase diverging timelines. So. If you dropped one in the sacred timeline, wouldn't that just erase the sacred timeline in an instant?

Additionally, why would erasing timelines lead to *more* nexus events? An item that erases timelines is suddenly creating new ones? Addition by subtraction?
Thanks and gig'em
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1:17p, 7/1/21
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I think some recap breakdown podcasts like the New Rockstars made a great point. You have Sif telling him he will be alone and no one loves him and he pretty much hates himself. His emotions to Sylvie is more like him learning how to love himself first before truly caring for others
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In reply to Aggie_Journalist • 1:20p, 7/1/21
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I think they kind of semi-explained this. The little time bombs only work because those branches aren't big enough yet. Presumably if dropped on an established timeline they're going to erase everything in a given area, but not everything in existence, thus creating nexus events.

She also, presumably, dropped each of these in a location where something important was going to happen to ensure they created a nexus event.
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In reply to Decay • 1:20p, 7/1/21
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Decay said:
Putting aside everything else, it's super messed up because you'd literally share the same parents.

It's probably worse, but at the minimum, exactly as bad as hooking up with your sister
Loki was adopted. Could be that Odin just happened across a different orphan in a different timeline and raised her as the God of Mischief. Growing up in Thor's shadow still drives them to be crazy, narcissistic a-holes.

We know that Thor is 1500 years old, they have never really mentioned anything about Loki, though we know that when they were both children, they used to do "get help" and loki pretended to be snake once and stabbed Thor, so he is probably around the same age.

we don't really know how old sylvie is. how long do asgardians (or orphaned frost giants) stay in adolescent form? Is Sylvie 12 in the flashback or 100? Has she been running from the TVA for 1,000 years, or is she like 50 right now since time is irrelevant when you are time traveling?

anyways, maybe there are a few multiple timelines that are allowed to exist, so long as they reach a set end goal. Male or female, loki is supposed to be the big bad that brings the avengers together. In this particular case, Sylvie is playing with toys by herself, but instead of ruling over the viking action figures, she plays the hero that saves asgard, which causes a nexus event that creates a good loki. TVA needs a bad loki, so she is pruned.
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 1:33p, 7/1/21
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To build on this, she's not Loki IMO. A quick internet search clearly shows her to be the Enchantress and that's just looking at the Marvel wiki and not perusing any theory sites
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In reply to YouBet • 1:40p, 7/1/21
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At this point I think she has to be a Loki. She might also be something else, but they can't undo everything they've done.
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1:43p, 7/1/21
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I'm leaning towards a multiverse already existing, it's just kept under control by the TVA/Kang/Mephistoconfirmed
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In reply to bobinator • 1:47p, 7/1/21
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bobinator said:
At this point I think she has to be a Loki. She might also be something else, but they can't undo everything they've done.
I don't think they have to. TVA assumes she is and she doesn't really remember who she really is other than she lived on Asgard as a kid. She may just assume she's Loki because TVA assumes that.

Her power set, background, and look leads you away from a Loki. If she is a Loki, then they've done a blatant reverse diversion if you look at what I posted.

We will find out though! I'm good either way.
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In reply to bobinator • 1:59p, 7/1/21
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bobinator said:
That's what was so hard for me to wrap my head around at first and it made no sense which is why I've created this whole thing in my head to make it work.

The way they present the "sacred timeline" it makes it seem like the timeline itself was the sacred thing. That the line always has to be exactly the same. But I think it's actually that the result has to always be the same, not the timeline itself.

For my factory analogy, imagine you're quality control, and your job is to make sure this factory is making widgets. You don't really understand how the factory works, you just know it makes widgets.

So one day, some part of the machine does something different, but the widgets still come out and are the same as they usually are. Well you don't really care, your job isn't to make sure the machine runs the same way every time, it's just to make sure it's making the widgets.

That's what the TVA does.

So, one time through the loop, Loki is born a girl on Asgard. But since this doesn't change the end result, it hasn't upset the "sacred timeline." The thing that's supposed to happen still happened. Another time they're all black, or reptiles, or whatever. It doesn't matter because at the end "thing" still happened.

Now, another time through, that girl does something that did change the end result. The machine didn't build a widget. So the TVA goes in, removes that time branch, and hits reset.

Ok, gotcha. This is making bit more sense. Thanks for taking the time explain.
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In reply to YouBet • 2:05p, 7/1/21
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What post are you referring to? I think by look she absolutely has to be a Loki. Horn crown thing, green accents, what else do you want? Her powers are different because she didn't learn them from the same person.

And the TVA would know shes a Loki because they can see all of time. They don't have to assume or guess.

Her not being a Loki would be pretty wild to explain at this point I think.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:08p, 7/1/21
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I like typing out posts like this because it helps me organize my own thoughts also. I have no idea if this is even right, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me. You can look back a few pages and see the "where are these extreme variants coming from" was also one of my big issues.
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In reply to YouBet • 2:14p, 7/1/21
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To build on this, she's not Loki IMO. A quick internet search clearly shows her to be the Enchantress and that's just looking at the Marvel wiki and not perusing any theory sites
she certainly could be, but it wouldn't be the first time the MCU combined different characters into a new MCU character.
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2:17p, 7/1/21
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Also, she's called Sylvie, not Loki. Shouldn't that be significant somehow?
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 2:20p, 7/1/21
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Also, she's called Sylvie, not Loki. Shouldn't that be significant somehow?
didn't she say Sylvie is an alias though?
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2:25p, 7/1/21
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When will we see a Deadpool Loki variant?
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In reply to jackie childs • 2:28p, 7/1/21
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Yeah she said she changed her name.
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In reply to bobinator • 2:31p, 7/1/21
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bobinator said:
What post are you referring to? I think by look she absolutely has to be a Loki. Horn crown thing, green accents, what else do you want? Her powers are different because she didn't learn them from the same person.

And the TVA would know shes a Loki because they can see all of time. They don't have to assume or guess.

Her not being a Loki would be pretty wild to explain at this point I think.


My spoiler tag. Her look is also identical to that character from Asgard. Her powers are also the same as that character and not Loki.
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2:32p, 7/1/21
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So thinking more about how she could be female. If you go back in time before you are born, when your parents have sex, your dad could deposit an X chromosome.

I'm not sure how the same 2 parents could change species or ethnicity, though.
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2:33p, 7/1/21
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Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...

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In reply to YouBet • 2:35p, 7/1/21
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My guess is that Marvel is just combining those characters in the MCU. They've done that quite a bit.
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 2:36p, 7/1/21
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TexasAggie_02 said:
The Shank Ag said:
I mean, they wouldn't bring in Owen for just 2.75 episodes. Have a feeling he and Hiddleston will still play major roles going forward


There are still unused scenes from the trailers earlier this year. one trailer scene has mobius driving a truck towards the pyramids


I could not find this clip in the trailer. But, it would be interesting. In the comics, Kang started out as a human time traveler. His first journey? Ancient Egypt. Why? He wanted to influence the first known X-gene mutant. He became Pharoah, failed to gain influence over the mutant and the result was the mutant gaining access to celestial technology. The mutant became known as Apocalypse.

It would be really neat, considering how Marvel now owns the rights to F4 and X-Men if they will spin him into the universe and explain those 20th Century Fox films were part of canon, just in different timelines. Would also explain the lack of those groups in the Infinity War saga.

And also in the comics, Renslayer worked for Kang.

We already know Kang is going to show up in the next Ant-Man movie.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:37p, 7/1/21
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TCTTS said:
Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...


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In reply to TCTTS • 2:37p, 7/1/21
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Hm, that would be interesting.
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In reply to bobinator • 2:41p, 7/1/21
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bobinator said:
My guess is that Marvel is just combining those characters in the MCU. They've done that quite a bit.


Probably.
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