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***** Loki - Season 1 Discussion Thread (Wednesdays - Jun 9 - Jul 14) *****

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TCTTS said:

Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...


so i had that thought up until episode 4 and even thought Richard E. Grant would play that version of Loki.
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Quote:

I could not find this clip in the trailer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/oaz7t8/all_shot_from_the_trailers_that_are_yet_to_be/
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The other thing is that in many cases they don't refer to the characters in the MCU by their superhero names all that often. The Scarlet Witch went like five movies and most of a TV show before anyone ever said "the Scarlet Witch" out loud right?

I think by calling what she does "enchanting" they are clearly giving a nod that this is that character from the comics. They could just as easily use hynotize or charm or entrance or other words. They chose that word for a reason.

I thinks she's very clearly supposed to be 'The Enchantress' I just think she's also very clearly supposed to be "Lady Loki."
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TCTTS said:

Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...



New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?
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Sure, I like it.
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So Matt Damon may have been a low-key Loki?
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TCTTS said:

TCTTS said:

Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...



New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?
and Damon's Loki appearing in the same timeline as Hiddleston's Loki would not necessarily trigger a nexus event because of Asgard's impending destruction via Ragnarok....
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i wonder if Asgard exists in that timeline that Loki is now trapped in? lots of asgard based scenes from the trailers earlier this year that have not been used yet. If Asgard still exists, perhaps he can call on Heimdal to take him away
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"What is it that makes a Loki a Loki? That we always lose?"

"No, that we always survive."

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Why?? Because a Loki is running the GD TVA!
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I'm too lazy to go through all the replies but why was there a nexus event allowing the TVA to find them when they were seconds from being destroyed anyways?
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

"What is it that makes a Loki a Loki? That we always lose?"

"No, that we always survive."

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Why?? Because a Loki is running the GD TVA!
The more I think about this, I sort of like it.

Also, I have to imagine that the Loki in charge of it all is bored as **** with the role. Yawn, yawn, a bureaucracy pruned another event.

If I am wrong, then the TVA exists to ensure that no challenge ever arises to the rule of Kang the Conqueror.


Let's say Kang assumes rule of the universe in year 3055. He then creates this bureaucracy to manage time so that no threats ever emerge to his rule. Sort of like Terminators going back in time to kill John Connor, but his plan is more sophisticated.
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tv1113 said:

I'm too lazy to go through all the replies but why was there a nexus event allowing the TVA to find them when they were seconds from being destroyed anyways?
LOVE

But yeah it doesn't really make sense
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bobinator said:

I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.

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I'm still as confused as I ever was (in a fun way), but wonder if the idea of a multiverse still has a key role to play. Maybe it fits in with the Ms Minutes video about the different branches fighting one another. In the sacred timeline, Kang (or whoever) must have won and everything the TVA does is to ensure that timeline never overlaps with another one? I'm just putting random words together at this point.
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texasaggie04 said:

bobinator said:

I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.


Or he just never uses the coaster, and it was a joke because Owen wilson characters always operate a little outside the lines
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Yeah I said the same thing, I'm just saying that just because Loki survived (kind of?) doesn't mean everyone survives.
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I want Owen Wilson to survive because Id like to see him in more movies
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jeffk said:

When will we see a Deadpool Loki variant?

What if we did, but he was pruned?!

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bobinator said:

My guess is that Marvel is just combining those characters in the MCU. They've done that quite a bit.


What are some others?
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Champ Bailey said:

bobinator said:

My guess is that Marvel is just combining those characters in the MCU. They've done that quite a bit.


What are some others?
Villain in Iron Man 2 was a combination of a couple of villains, I believe.
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texasaggie04 said:

bobinator said:

I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.


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Yeah I don't know off the top of my head because I'm not a comic reader, but when I was listening to the Binge Mode Marvel podcast they'd talk about some of the changes from the comics.

Seem to remember some of them are combinations, others are just how characters are related (like Ego isn't Star Lord's dad, Hela isn't Odin's daughter, etc.)
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Decay said:

tv1113 said:

I'm too lazy to go through all the replies but why was there a nexus event allowing the TVA to find them when they were seconds from being destroyed anyways?
LOVE

But yeah it doesn't really make sense
I think they did a decent job explaining this one away when they said something about turning up the sensitivity of the readings. I took that to mean that their emotional connection probably wouldn't have triggered a normal nexus event reading since it wasn't something that would drastically change their outcome, but it was an event that strayed from the timeline a little bit.

Granted, you could argue that two variants being in any world and any timeline stray from the timeline a little bit.
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I actually think it was clear that it was the exact opposite of this. The nexus event they created was so powerful that they had never seen anything like it before. Didn't Mobius say something along those lines?

Now, what exactly was going to happen? We don't know yet.
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bobinator said:

Yeah I don't know off the top of my head because I'm not a comic reader, but when I was listening to the Binge Mode Marvel podcast they'd talk about some of the changes from the comics.

Seem to remember some of them are combinations, others are just how characters are related (like Ego isn't Star Lord's dad, Hela isn't Odin's daughter, etc.)
yeah, i'm struggling to think of examples right now, but i remember binge mode talking about it too. seems like it was primarily in secondary characters.

the Aldrich Killians/Mandarin thing in IM3 was sort of a combination, but it seems they may now just be pretending they never made him the Mandarin?

another big example of how characters are related too is how ultron was created by Hank Pym in the comics, but they made him Tony's creation in the MCU.

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texasaggie04 said:

bobinator said:

I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.


not buying this at all... i think you are looking way too far into the scene. As someone else said, I think it simply shows that he's never used a coaster in all his previous meetings with renslayer.
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I saw an interesting analogy to explain the sacred timeline, which fits with what stone of us have tried to explain.

Think of the sacred timeline as a rope. A rope is made up of a lot of threads. Each thread of the rope starts and ends at the same place, though each thread could be different materials/colors /etc. Doesn't matter as long as they start and end at the same place.

This is why you can have hugely different loki variants, or any variant for that matter. As long thread stays in line with the rope and leads to the "correct" result, that thread is allowed to exist.

A nexus event is when you have a thread that frays from the rope. I guess the analogy kinda falls apart here, bc frays don't grow into a new rope, but play along. You basically prune all the stray fibers that lead away from the destination.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

What if the whole purpose of the TVA is to prevent timelines that create Kang from occurring?

That would make the overthrow of the TVA directly lead to the rise of Kang, who would then develop over his appearances in coming movies into the next big bad.


The TVA is just the mission control in cabin in the woods
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Reading the last week or so, are many of you interpreting the "sacred timeline" as one universe? My interpretation is that it itself is a multiverse of infinite universes, but they all have the same events or lead to the same place because the TVA makes it happen and gets rid of rogue branches. The sacred timeline is just all of the universes the TVA doesn't mess with because they are going along as expected or as managed to be.
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Another analogy I heard is that the timeline is like a rope. It is made of a bunch of woven strands that all begin and end at the same place
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I think this is where most of us are now. I'm still unclear on if there's a difference between "universes" and "timelines" in the MCU or if they are the same thing.

I do think the way they explained the "sacred timeline" in the miss minutes video made it confusing though. It makes it seem like any version of a person that isn't the "sacred timeline" version gets clipped when that clearly isn't the case.
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bobinator said:

I think this is where most of us are now. I'm still unclear on if there's a difference between "universes" and "timelines" in the MCU or if they are the same thing.

I do think the way they explained the "sacred timeline" in the miss minutes video made it confusing though. It makes it seem like any version of a person that isn't the "sacred timeline" version gets clipped when that clearly isn't the case.
Whole thing is a feint most likely and everything will be resolved by the end.
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TCTTS said:

TCTTS said:

Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...



New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?


And the big reveal is in a song entitled "Loki doesn't know"
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Maybe I missed it in the first episode, but just watched Avengers last night, and never realized Coulson was the first guy to tell Loki that losing was in his nature.
 
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