The other thing is that in many cases they don't refer to the characters in the MCU by their superhero names all that often. The Scarlet Witch went like five movies and most of a TV show before anyone ever said "the Scarlet Witch" out loud right?

I think by calling what she does "enchanting" they are clearly giving a nod that this is that character from the comics. They could just as easily use hynotize or charm or entrance or other words. They chose that word for a reason.

I thinks she's very clearly supposed to be 'The Enchantress' I just think she's also very clearly supposed to be "Lady Loki."

TCTTS said:

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Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...

some interesting implications

SPOILERS:

-all the references to which loki is "the best," loki wanting to overthrow the TVA, and the TVA focus on pruning variant lokis suggests one Evil Loki Prime behind the TVA, trying to take out rivals...

— jason c. (@netw3rk) July 1, 2021

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New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?

Sure, I like it.

So Matt Damon may have been a low-key Loki?

TCTTS said:

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TCTTS said:

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Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...

some interesting implications

SPOILERS:

-all the references to which loki is "the best," loki wanting to overthrow the TVA, and the TVA focus on pruning variant lokis suggests one Evil Loki Prime behind the TVA, trying to take out rivals...

— jason c. (@netw3rk) July 1, 2021

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New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?

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and Damon's Loki appearing in the same timeline as Hiddleston's Loki would not necessarily trigger a nexus event because of Asgard's impending destruction via Ragnarok....

"What is it that makes a Loki a Loki? That we always lose?"

"No, that we always survive."

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Why?? Because a Loki is running the GD TVA!

bobinator said:

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I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

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The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.

texasaggie04 said:

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bobinator said:

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I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

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The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.

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Or he just never uses the coaster, and it was a joke because Owen wilson characters always operate a little outside the lines

I want Owen Wilson to survive because Id like to see him in more movies

jeffk said:

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When will we see a Deadpool Loki variant?

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What if we did, but he was pruned?!

texasaggie04 said:

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bobinator said:

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I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

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The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.

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I actually think it was clear that it was the exact opposite of this. The nexus event they created was so powerful that they had never seen anything like it before. Didn't Mobius say something along those lines?

Now, what exactly was going to happen? We don't know yet.

texasaggie04 said:

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bobinator said:

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I'm not 100% sure that getting zapped doesn't kill most people/disintegrate most things. There may be something unique about Lokis as to why they don't die.

If we're assuming that Mobius is alive, perhaps Loki finds another version of him on the timeline.

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The scene early on with the coffee table rings suggests that there were previous Mobiuses (Mobiii?) who worked with Renslayer. Perhaps each of them were pruned at some point in time because they also started figuring out what's going on. This would certainly fit with the idea of a time loop rather than time being linear.

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not buying this at all... i think you are looking way too far into the scene. As someone else said, I think it simply shows that he's never used a coaster in all his previous meetings with renslayer.

I saw an interesting analogy to explain the sacred timeline, which fits with what stone of us have tried to explain.

Think of the sacred timeline as a rope. A rope is made up of a lot of threads. Each thread of the rope starts and ends at the same place, though each thread could be different materials/colors /etc. Doesn't matter as long as they start and end at the same place.

This is why you can have hugely different loki variants, or any variant for that matter. As long thread stays in line with the rope and leads to the "correct" result, that thread is allowed to exist.

A nexus event is when you have a thread that frays from the rope. I guess the analogy kinda falls apart here, bc frays don't grow into a new rope, but play along. You basically prune all the stray fibers that lead away from the destination.

Aggie_Journalist said:

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What if the whole purpose of the TVA is to prevent timelines that create Kang from occurring?

That would make the overthrow of the TVA directly lead to the rise of Kang, who would then develop over his appearances in coming movies into the next big bad.

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The TVA is just the mission control in cabin in the woods

TCTTS said:

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TCTTS said:

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Just FYI, I wouldn't consider Jason's second tweet a "spoiler" at all, as he's literally taking a guess (one that I find interesting)...

some interesting implications

SPOILERS:

-all the references to which loki is "the best," loki wanting to overthrow the TVA, and the TVA focus on pruning variant lokis suggests one Evil Loki Prime behind the TVA, trying to take out rivals...

— jason c. (@netw3rk) July 1, 2021

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New idea I just had related to this, only half-jokingly...

- Matt Damon played an actor playing Loki in Ragnarok.

- We know Matt Damon is returning for Love & Thunder.

- As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Damon seemed to be shooting in Australia on Love & Thunder for a *long* time. Like, for weeks if not months.

So, knowing all that, what if Damon's Loki is somehow the mastermind Loki Jason is theorizing? Who ends up being revealed here, setting up his appearance in Love & Thunder?

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And the big reveal is in a song entitled "Loki doesn't know"

Maybe I missed it in the first episode, but just watched Avengers last night, and never realized Coulson was the first guy to tell Loki that losing was in his nature.