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rhutton125 said:

That's good and all but I guess 1) I'm not sure where it leaves him going forward, and 2) I don't recall how that plays out during the finale, aside from refusing to kill his father.

In Iron Man, you see Tony's transformation culminate with him sacrificing himself to stop Stane. We know he's going to use his tech for good going forward. In Thor, he destroys the bifrost to protect the people he wanted to kill in Act 1 even though he may never see Jane again. He's the protector of the nine realms that he should have been all along.

In Shang-Chi, I feel like he uses this newfound balance to explode a demon from the inside, then brag about it to his friends? Then I guess wait around until Wong or the next movie calls him back? I dunno. I still don't really know what kind of hero he'll be, I guess.
I think you're using hindsight to make unfair comparisons. You compare Shang-Chi to Tony and Thor, the latter two who have a ton of screentime to flesh out their stories. In this individual movie, I think Shang-Chi had a good arc. He saw his mother killed, sought his father's approval, ran from him, had to come to terms with killing his father, and ultimately did so. I think that's a good arc for him. I do wish the fight with his father was longer than it was.

I agree with FL_Ag1998, I really enjoyed this movie. But I wouldn't put it among the top MCU movies. I certainly wouldn't put it at the bottom, though.
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It was middle tier for me. Got slow in the middle and the whole mystical dimension was a little too fantastical to me. Went from a relatively normal Kung fu setting to Dragon Ball Z in 10 minutes. And I say that as a Dragon ball Z fan.

I also wasn't a fan of the constant flashbacks. I think a couple would have been good. But it felt like half the movie was in disjointed flashbacks. This isn't Memento.
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We just got back from seeing this. The title is a mouthful, certainly, but that doesn't detract from what is a good time at the movies. Several laugh-out-loud moments, most notably for the wife and I the faceless thing playing dead along with Trevor Slattery but also the karaoke with Wong. Really liked the characters, particularly the dad and Katy.

Solid movie, but not one that will challenge for the upper ranks of the MCU. I'd put it in the same area as Doctor Strange, Thor, the last two Iron Mans, and Black Panther.
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This was lower tier Marvel movie for me... down there with Hulk, Iron Man 3, etc. I did like the humor that Awkwafina brought. (I have a hard time typing that goofball name for some reason) The overall story arc was good, but it got ridiculous at the end... similar to the CGI rhino battle at the end of Black Panther.

*CGI dragons ... ugh. The Luck Dragon from the Neverending story vs. a Kaiju from Pacific Rim? The similarities are uncanny.
*The little headless furry winged thing felt like a George Lucas addition to sell merchandise to kids.
*As others have mentioned, very slow in the middle... found myself tuning out.

Regarding the 10 rings... there are 10 Eternals, right? Connection or coincidence?
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Apache said:

This was lower tier Marvel movie for me... down there with Hulk, Iron Man 3, etc. I did like the humor that Awkwafina brought. (I have a hard time typing that goofball name for some reason) The overall story arc was good, but it got ridiculous at the end... similar to the CGI rhino battle at the end of Black Panther.

*CGI dragons ... ugh. The Luck Dragon from the Neverending story vs. a Kaiju from Pacific Rim? The similarities are uncanny.
*The little headless furry winged thing felt like a George Lucas addition to sell merchandise to kids.
*As others have mentioned, very slow in the middle... found myself tuning out.

Regarding the 10 rings... there are 10 Eternals, right? Connection or coincidence?
That dragon has a name, sir
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This is just a bad take. No chance it was worse than Thor Dark World or Iron Man 2.
I'd put it behind Iron Man 2. It was just, OK, to me. Lot of unexplained stuff for an origin type movie. the end fight was cartoonish and predictable. It didn't feel like a Marvel movie at all, and wouldn't have been without Wong as a shoestring tie in.
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YNWA_AG said:

Anyone have any theories on what the rings were a beacon for
Celestials is my guess.
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Morris and the other creatures we saw in Tao Lo are from Chinese legends and myths, so I thought it was cool to see them in this manner.
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Saxsoon said:

The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

rhutton125 said:

Massive Marvel fan here. And a huge action / martial arts movie buff as well.

I thought this was the worst MCU movie - overall - since Incredible Hulk. And that's a damn shame because the first half of the movie was a blast. The second half was a huge mess.

Need to organize my thoughts for a bit first.


Whaaaat

I've heard people put it in the Captain Marvel strata...

Imagine a film predicated on fighting in a tournament to determine the best, yet because of intersectionality the filmmakers refused to allow the characters to win. The diversity of representation led to a mess.

"Hierarchies are good and natural" - JP


Found the snowflake that is intimidated by Asians

That's not it at all. Shang-Chi isnt the character with the most "victim currency" in the intersectionality Olympics. Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi and the filmmakers make it obvious that she is the best martial artist in the universe.

She learned without instruction; she became the best by watching others train. And now shes better than the Mandarin...shes certainly portrayed as better than the title character.
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Fat Bib Fortuna said:

Any guesses why Bruce was back to being Bruce instead of being Professor Hulk in the end credits?
Because the CGI in SheHulk would be too expensive?
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The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

rhutton125 said:

Massive Marvel fan here. And a huge action / martial arts movie buff as well.

I thought this was the worst MCU movie - overall - since Incredible Hulk. And that's a damn shame because the first half of the movie was a blast. The second half was a huge mess.

Need to organize my thoughts for a bit first.


Whaaaat

I've heard people put it in the Captain Marvel strata...

Imagine a film predicated on fighting in a tournament to determine the best, yet because of intersectionality the filmmakers refused to allow the characters to win. The diversity of representation led to a mess.

"Hierarchies are good and natural" - JP


Found the snowflake that is intimidated by Asians

That's not it at all. Shang-Chi isnt the character with the most "victim currency" in the intersectionality Olympics. Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi and the filmmakers make it obvious that she is the best martial artist in the universe.

She learned without instruction; she became the best by watching others train. And now shes better than the Mandarin...shes certainly portrayed as better than the title character.
So you're intimidated by Asian women. Got it.
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The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

rhutton125 said:

Massive Marvel fan here. And a huge action / martial arts movie buff as well.

I thought this was the worst MCU movie - overall - since Incredible Hulk. And that's a damn shame because the first half of the movie was a blast. The second half was a huge mess.

Need to organize my thoughts for a bit first.


Whaaaat

I've heard people put it in the Captain Marvel strata...

Imagine a film predicated on fighting in a tournament to determine the best, yet because of intersectionality the filmmakers refused to allow the characters to win. The diversity of representation led to a mess.

"Hierarchies are good and natural" - JP


Found the snowflake that is intimidated by Asians

That's not it at all. Shang-Chi isnt the character with the most "victim currency" in the intersectionality Olympics. Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi and the filmmakers make it obvious that she is the best martial artist in the universe.

She learned without instruction; she became the best by watching others train. And now shes better than the Mandarin...shes certainly portrayed as better than the title character.
No, she wasn't. She won because Shang Chi refused to fight her.
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Lol what?
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Lol what?
Exactly.

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The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

rhutton125 said:

Massive Marvel fan here. And a huge action / martial arts movie buff as well.

I thought this was the worst MCU movie - overall - since Incredible Hulk. And that's a damn shame because the first half of the movie was a blast. The second half was a huge mess.

Need to organize my thoughts for a bit first.


Whaaaat

I've heard people put it in the Captain Marvel strata...

Imagine a film predicated on fighting in a tournament to determine the best, yet because of intersectionality the filmmakers refused to allow the characters to win. The diversity of representation led to a mess.

"Hierarchies are good and natural" - JP


Found the snowflake that is intimidated by Asians

That's not it at all. Shang-Chi isnt the character with the most "victim currency" in the intersectionality Olympics. Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi and the filmmakers make it obvious that she is the best martial artist in the universe.

She learned without instruction; she became the best by watching others train. And now shes better than the Mandarin...shes certainly portrayed as better than the title character.

It's amazing how we saw the same film, yet saw completely different movies.....
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The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

The Debt said:

Saxsoon said:

rhutton125 said:

Massive Marvel fan here. And a huge action / martial arts movie buff as well.

I thought this was the worst MCU movie - overall - since Incredible Hulk. And that's a damn shame because the first half of the movie was a blast. The second half was a huge mess.

Need to organize my thoughts for a bit first.


Whaaaat

I've heard people put it in the Captain Marvel strata...

Imagine a film predicated on fighting in a tournament to determine the best, yet because of intersectionality the filmmakers refused to allow the characters to win. The diversity of representation led to a mess.

"Hierarchies are good and natural" - JP


Found the snowflake that is intimidated by Asians

That's not it at all. Shang-Chi isnt the character with the most "victim currency" in the intersectionality Olympics. Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi and the filmmakers make it obvious that she is the best martial artist in the universe.

She learned without instruction; she became the best by watching others train. And now shes better than the Mandarin...shes certainly portrayed as better than the title character.


So basically an Asian Rey
https://i.postimg.cc/rpHKr9JQ/IMG-0770.jpg
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Haha. Came to post how much I enjoyed the movie but it looks like F16 already came and showed their general asses.
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jeffk said:

Haha. Came to post how much I enjoyed the movie but it looks like F16 already came and showed their general asses.


Uhhh, just one guy.
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It's a hive mind, so…

Anyway, I thought the two post-credit scenes were interesting. No Dr. Strange, so maybe he wasn't there because of the events of the MVoM?

And Ten Rings are returning, but as a force for good or evil or what?
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I just noticed All Hail the King on D+. Nice prequel to Shang Chi but kinda glad I didn't see it before the movie. Ben Kingsley is great.
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Quote:

Let's just say, without spoilers, that a character with a "front hole" is deemed to better than the Shang-Chi
Dude.
Shang-Chi has been a valet parking cars in San Francisco the past few years. "FH" has been running an underground criminal fight club in SE Asia, no doubt doing some actual fighting/training/learning along the way. It's conceivable he may have lost a step whereas she's gotten much better.

Also, there's a furry headless winged creature and a dragon in this movie... and a woman being a better fighter than a man is what is bugging you?
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Especially since the man literally told the woman "I won't fight you."
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jeffk said:

Especially since the man literally told the woman "I won't fight you."


Yo sis, I ain't ain't hitting you
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Saw it last night. 3 people in theater for 6:30 showing. Yikes.

Enjoyed it but don't have it in the top tier or close. Compare it to another coming of age / backstory Marvel movie - Black Panther. I think BP was much better.

Trevor telepathically(?) communicating with a furbie as the mechanism to find the lost city was pretty lame. I mean, good comedy, but wut??
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Saxsoon said:




I just love how him being in stock photos made this movie so meme ready, especially with how Simu has completely embraced it
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btw, Kim's Convenience is a fun show, and most of the movie I was still thinking of him as Mr. Kim's son.
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Oh my god just go away. Like some ******* yelling about nonsense ruining everyone else's good time. You're insecure and didn't like the film. We get it. Now go away.
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Personally, I loved it. They created a genuine origin story with very little influence from the MCU that has preceded this movie. Really really well done in my opinion.

One thing I remember talking about on the ride home was why Shang-Chi just went home with his Dad after the Ten Ring army was just sent after him and his sister. The thought I had was that even though Shang ran away from home and disliked his father he still held him in a place of honor in his life. Which I thought differentiated this movie from a lot of other broken parent/child relationships we see in cinema.

Also my bet on the Rings is that they are Celestial made. That and the Wong end scene leads me to think we will see Shang either during or directly after Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
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I agree with KCup17 on all points. I tend to love all Marvel movies and this one hit the spot well.

The bus fight scene to me was one of the top fight sequences in memory. Aquafina's character fit well too and the surprise character from the older Marvel movie.
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Batzarro said:

I agree with KCup17 on all points. I tend to love all Marvel movies and this one hit the spot well.

The bus fight scene to me was one of the top fight sequences in memory. Aquafina's character fit well too and the surprise character from the older Marvel movie.
Darcy/Thor::Katy/Shang Chi
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Spoiler, one of the stars apparently said bad things about China, so hopes of it showing there likely died.

https://deadline.com/2021/09/shang-chi-china-release-simu-liu-marvel-1234830474/
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oragator said:

Spoiler, one of the stars apparently said bad things about China, so hopes of it showing there likely died.

https://deadline.com/2021/09/shang-chi-china-release-simu-liu-marvel-1234830474/


Not to get too political, I know there's an F16 for that stuff, but this is of course a political topic.

This is a good thing and will start happening to more and more western movies eventually, sooner rather than later.

Its good because an entire industry should not be cowed, manipulated by, or cater to a government's political agenda. Especially the entertainment industry which is supposed to reflect our history, dreams, fantasies, experiences, and opinions.

The Chinese government has taken a turn recently away from Westernization. Xi has put out mandates and agendas that are clamping down on what he sees as western evils...."excess" wealth, too much internet and video gaming, and even males who are too "feminine" and "weak". Its inevitable that most westernized entertainment and ideas will be banned and or used as a way to determine who needs to be quietly removed from the public eye.

Instead of trying to continue appeasing China because of their large audience Hollywood just needs to embrace the idea that before too long they won't be welcome in China at all.

That's all, sorry for diverting.
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agreed- we shouldn't be John Cenas.
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Batzarro said:

agreed- we shouldn't be John Cenas.
coughs John China
 
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