I struggled a lot with Katy. I was conflicted on whether she was a cute Asian girl, and she would frequently tell me she was not by opening her mouth (be it smiling or speaking). But then she would not open her mouth and I would be drawn to her. I felt they did a good job casting this role and creating a conflict between my mind, eyes and genitals.
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Reminds me of the beer goggling struggles I went through at the Dixie Chicken around 1:00 AM on a typcial Saturday night in the early/mid 90'sQuote:
creating a conflict between my mind, eyes and genitals.
um.... hmm.
Shouldn't be what?Batzarro said:
agreed- we shouldn't be John Cenas.
My 13-year-old asked me to take him to see it. I love Marvel movies so I took him and his brother. It was a good movie. We all enjoyed it. We all agreed, however, that it was too long for what was in the movie. They probably could've cut down by half an hour and not lost any important subject matter.
Just got back. Thought it was good, but not great.
Bus fight scene was very well done. Also loved the cinematography of the fight scene between Shang-Chi and masked ninja #1 with the helicopter in the background. Very nice to look at.
Some of the humor was a little predictable and overplayed by this point.
- "We should work together."
- "Never!"
- [man dies]
- "We should work together."
The dad was fantastic. Don't even need to say more about him.
Also a bit confused on the Banner timeline. This takes place after Endgame but he's back to normal? And still in / back in a sling again?
Loved having Trevor back in the movie, even if his entire purpose was comic relief. He's so endearing in that role.
Thought the visuals of Ta Lo were great. Enjoyed seeing mythical creatures (e.g., phoenix, kitsune).
Otherwise I know origin stories are needed to keep the stories moving forward (and the money pouring in) but , I'm starting to get a little burned out on them.
Bus fight scene was very well done. Also loved the cinematography of the fight scene between Shang-Chi and masked ninja #1 with the helicopter in the background. Very nice to look at.
Some of the humor was a little predictable and overplayed by this point.
- "We should work together."
- "Never!"
- [man dies]
- "We should work together."
The dad was fantastic. Don't even need to say more about him.
Also a bit confused on the Banner timeline. This takes place after Endgame but he's back to normal? And still in / back in a sling again?
Loved having Trevor back in the movie, even if his entire purpose was comic relief. He's so endearing in that role.
Thought the visuals of Ta Lo were great. Enjoyed seeing mythical creatures (e.g., phoenix, kitsune).
Otherwise I know origin stories are needed to keep the stories moving forward (and the money pouring in) but , I'm starting to get a little burned out on them.
texasaggie04 said:
Loved having Trevor back in the movie, even if his entire purpose was comic relief. He's so endearing in that role.
You can just tell Ben Kingsley is having a blast playing that role.
Saw it this afternoon. I was pumped for this movie since it was announced. I came into the MCU late, caught up before End Game came out so haven't been too many to catch the build up for. This was definitely one of the few. That said, I thought it was ok. As some stated, I thought it started off great then slowed way down. I even caught myself drifting off in my chair. I liked that his father wasn't trying to take over the world as the "bad guy." He was just a heart broken man.
Saw it today and thought it was a great movie; agree it could have bit a half hour shorter.
Maybe I missed it, but who send Shang the postcard?
Maybe I missed it, but who send Shang the postcard?
I think the dad sent it to get Shang to come see his sister so he could capture them both
Saw it last night.
There was some incredible cinematography and shot design.
The first fight when he meets his wife was breathtakingly beautiful. Absolute work of art.
The shot design of the revenge killing in the poker club was awesome. Kid looking in the reflection of the glass wall, but it shatters and you realize you're actually seeing another angle. Really cool shots there.
The end fight scene was meh to me especially after the monster thing got released. CGI overload, hard to follow. Did the typical "big end fight" cinema thing where there are black clouds / darkness and everything looked washed out.
There was some incredible cinematography and shot design.
The first fight when he meets his wife was breathtakingly beautiful. Absolute work of art.
The shot design of the revenge killing in the poker club was awesome. Kid looking in the reflection of the glass wall, but it shatters and you realize you're actually seeing another angle. Really cool shots there.
The end fight scene was meh to me especially after the monster thing got released. CGI overload, hard to follow. Did the typical "big end fight" cinema thing where there are black clouds / darkness and everything looked washed out.
On the Bruce timeline thing, I think him being human has something to do with She-Hulk which he's in. So we will probably get how it ties in then.
Just saw it. Really enjoyed it. Not a top 5 Marvel but very good. Will say that Brie Larson had more personality in her small part than in the entirety of the time Cap. Marvel has been in the MCU. Kinda like the running joke of her having to take another call.
Loved seeing Wong and Abomination working the system at the fight club. Maybe he can now afford that Tuna Melt. Really feels like they are setting up the Thunderbolts. Perfect for when Deadpool comes into the MCU. Can't wait to find out why Bruce isn't big and green. Also, very interested to see who or what the rings are calling out for/to.
Overall it was a very good movie.
Loved seeing Wong and Abomination working the system at the fight club. Maybe he can now afford that Tuna Melt. Really feels like they are setting up the Thunderbolts. Perfect for when Deadpool comes into the MCU. Can't wait to find out why Bruce isn't big and green. Also, very interested to see who or what the rings are calling out for/to.
Overall it was a very good movie.
We saw it this weekend, and I thought it was excellent. The fights were awesome, the comedy was on point and while I agree it went a little long I enjoyed this a lot. One of the top as far as origin films/intros I thought.
While I thought Simu did a good job, he had a stellar supporting case including the great Tony Leung who played one of the best marvel villains.
The planet of the apes gag was one of my favorite marvel jokes
While I thought Simu did a good job, he had a stellar supporting case including the great Tony Leung who played one of the best marvel villains.
The planet of the apes gag was one of my favorite marvel jokes
I enjoyed it. One of the better origin movies, and I liked the fact that the villain had understandable motives instead of generic power grab.
So first off I FINALLY SAW A MOVIE. And that movie was Shang Chi and I thought it was a blast.
The action sequences were fantastic, the humor was generally well placed, and Simu Liu was really charismatic as the lead and had great chemistry with Akwafina (how long till she decides to go with her real name?). Marvel also did a good job giving the villain some depth outside just being "the bad guy" and I thought it was kinda fun how it went full kaiju movie at the end (and there's a whole lot more of those outside of just Pacific Rim). And Trevor and Morris were hilarious (and Morris is actually a real creature in Chinese mythology).
I liked it far more than I expected, there were a few moments where the humor was a hair predictable or things went a bit unrealistic but it's one of my favorite Marvel films of the last few years. And I find it kind of humorous that some think a character who started the movie parking cars and ended it following Wong through a portal didn't have enough of an arc
The action sequences were fantastic, the humor was generally well placed, and Simu Liu was really charismatic as the lead and had great chemistry with Akwafina (how long till she decides to go with her real name?). Marvel also did a good job giving the villain some depth outside just being "the bad guy" and I thought it was kinda fun how it went full kaiju movie at the end (and there's a whole lot more of those outside of just Pacific Rim). And Trevor and Morris were hilarious (and Morris is actually a real creature in Chinese mythology).
I liked it far more than I expected, there were a few moments where the humor was a hair predictable or things went a bit unrealistic but it's one of my favorite Marvel films of the last few years. And I find it kind of humorous that some think a character who started the movie parking cars and ended it following Wong through a portal didn't have enough of an arc
This was a really fun movie. My wife loved it.
Is Abomination in this the same one from the original Hulk movie?
Is Abomination in this the same one from the original Hulk movie?
Yes, that is Tim Roth's Emil Blonsky character from The Incredible Hulk.
Crazy, huh?
Crazy, huh?
Wife and I really enjoyed it as well.
We did laugh at how many actors from Crazy Rich Asian showed up in here. I counted 3 for sure.
We did laugh at how many actors from Crazy Rich Asian showed up in here. I counted 3 for sure.
Haven't read the thread but just wanted to say that the wife and I just watched it and loved it. Haven't seen Eternals yet, but it seems like one of the major criticisms of it is that you don't get to spend a lot of time with any one character. I liked that you got to stick with the main characters in this one. It also looked great and was different enough from other MCU films to feel fresh.
rhutton125 said:
That's good and all but I guess 1) I'm not sure where it leaves him going forward, and 2) I don't recall how that plays out during the finale, aside from refusing to kill his father.
In Iron Man, you see Tony's transformation culminate with him sacrificing himself to stop Stane. We know he's going to use his tech for good going forward. In Thor, he destroys the bifrost to protect the people he wanted to kill in Act 1 even though he may never see Jane again. He's the protector of the nine realms that he should have been all along.
In Shang-Chi, I feel like he uses this newfound balance to explode a demon from the inside, then brag about it to his friends? Then I guess wait around until Wong or the next movie calls him back? I dunno. I still don't really know what kind of hero he'll be, I guess.
You're acting like Tony Stark and Thor stayed the same after their first movies. Maybe the reason you aren't sure "what kind of hero" Shang-Chi will be is because it's your first time seeing him…
Also, I find it funny you criticize him for talking to his friends in a bar, yet you probably liked Tony's "the truth is…I am Iron Man" reveal in IM1. That reveal was very "Tony", but why can't the bar scene be very "Shang-chi?"
Also, his new powers don't just suddenly make him connected to the rest of the MCU. He was parking cars at the beginning of the movie. Wong coming to bring him into the fold is par for the course in the MCU (Nick Fury with IM, Tony with Peter Parker, etc.).
Now that this is on streaming, I'll revisit it again soon and see if my feelings change at all.
But the examples I cited were the first (and at the time, only!) times I'd seen Iron Man or Thor so I don't entirely get your point. I think they had better "punctuation marks" to their story - I understood more or less what they'd do from here - whether or not they got sequels.
For Shang-Chi, I don't feel as clear. Does he go back to parking cars? Does he wait around until Wong tells him there's an emergency? don't know where this film leaves him - grown as a person, sure, but now what? If he was the one dismantling his father's criminal organization, then cool - but his sister is doing that (or not, which Shang-Chi is oblivious too), so I guess he waits around..?
Perhaps the post-credits scene is what bothers me most. It felt unnatural. "Remember that Wong cameo earlier? Well here's Wong! And now Shang-Chi knows the Avengers!" Every other tie-in felt more natural than that. IM1 we had met Shield, well Nick Fury is director of Shield. Ant-Man fought the Falcon, and now Falcon is looking for him. Etc.
Maybe I'd feel better if we knew where Shang-Chi would show up next, or what the rings are teasing, but that setup... it feels like they just had him meet a sorcerer, alien space warrior and the Hulk to cover all the bases, while they try and figure out how to tie him into any other story.
But the examples I cited were the first (and at the time, only!) times I'd seen Iron Man or Thor so I don't entirely get your point. I think they had better "punctuation marks" to their story - I understood more or less what they'd do from here - whether or not they got sequels.
For Shang-Chi, I don't feel as clear. Does he go back to parking cars? Does he wait around until Wong tells him there's an emergency? don't know where this film leaves him - grown as a person, sure, but now what? If he was the one dismantling his father's criminal organization, then cool - but his sister is doing that (or not, which Shang-Chi is oblivious too), so I guess he waits around..?
Perhaps the post-credits scene is what bothers me most. It felt unnatural. "Remember that Wong cameo earlier? Well here's Wong! And now Shang-Chi knows the Avengers!" Every other tie-in felt more natural than that. IM1 we had met Shield, well Nick Fury is director of Shield. Ant-Man fought the Falcon, and now Falcon is looking for him. Etc.
Maybe I'd feel better if we knew where Shang-Chi would show up next, or what the rings are teasing, but that setup... it feels like they just had him meet a sorcerer, alien space warrior and the Hulk to cover all the bases, while they try and figure out how to tie him into any other story.
Just got around to watching and actually pretty shocked at the near universal acclaim this film got. This is just such a mediocre movie with no real heart to it that is typically seen with some of the best Marvel films. I rank this squarely in the middle of the bottom third Marvel movies next to movies like Iron Man 3, Captain Marvel, and Thor.
The acting was pretty bland outside of Tony Leung. The sister was bizarrely mute for the entire movie to the point that I kept forgetting she was in the movie, and then when I did remember I questioned why I should even care about her. The middle portion of the movie dragged terribly. Nearly turned it off because I got so bored with it. There was absolutely no character growth for the title character. Tony Leung's character also has absolutely no character growth. He just kinda dies as soon as you think you are going to maybe get some emotional transformation in his character arc.
I also found the fight scenes to be pretty soulless. Looked cool, but there was no real passion, nothing unique about them, they were just kind of generic kung-fu fights that were well choreographed. Random good and bad dragons get dumped on us in the third act without any sort of build up.
The writers get real lazy with how they all escape the Father's compound by just having a character literally break down a wall using no effort and stating something along the lines of "Oh, I've done this before" as some sort of logical explanation. It was like something out of a cartoon.
They also just kind of gloss over Shang-Chi killing someone as a 14 year old at the order of his father. They don't show it happen, they don't show the emotional fall out, and it just kind of feels forgotten outside of the brief conversation with Kate. This is the kind of thing that should have been focused on in the third act. Rather than have magical dragons and all that other BS, the third act should have been grounded in human conflict. It should have addressed the father and son relationship more, Shang-Chi should have forced a realization on Tony Leung's character of the emotional and physical torment that he put his children through.
And going back to the mute sister, outside of a brief "I'm still mad at you fight" upon their first meeting, we get no real conflict between brother and sister. She just silently joins her brother's side in fighting against their dad, and then returns back to what appears to be an antagonist role in the post-credit scene. I guess maybe I would be cool with that if she had more than like 3 lines.
In summary, this was just a moderately entertaining, mindless, soulless, paint-by-numbers marvel movie that had a ton of potential, but wasted it on CGI fights and Kaijus. I honestly think the biggest problem with this movie is the lack of heart in what should be an incredibly emotional story about familial trauma.
5.3/10
The acting was pretty bland outside of Tony Leung. The sister was bizarrely mute for the entire movie to the point that I kept forgetting she was in the movie, and then when I did remember I questioned why I should even care about her. The middle portion of the movie dragged terribly. Nearly turned it off because I got so bored with it. There was absolutely no character growth for the title character. Tony Leung's character also has absolutely no character growth. He just kinda dies as soon as you think you are going to maybe get some emotional transformation in his character arc.
I also found the fight scenes to be pretty soulless. Looked cool, but there was no real passion, nothing unique about them, they were just kind of generic kung-fu fights that were well choreographed. Random good and bad dragons get dumped on us in the third act without any sort of build up.
The writers get real lazy with how they all escape the Father's compound by just having a character literally break down a wall using no effort and stating something along the lines of "Oh, I've done this before" as some sort of logical explanation. It was like something out of a cartoon.
They also just kind of gloss over Shang-Chi killing someone as a 14 year old at the order of his father. They don't show it happen, they don't show the emotional fall out, and it just kind of feels forgotten outside of the brief conversation with Kate. This is the kind of thing that should have been focused on in the third act. Rather than have magical dragons and all that other BS, the third act should have been grounded in human conflict. It should have addressed the father and son relationship more, Shang-Chi should have forced a realization on Tony Leung's character of the emotional and physical torment that he put his children through.
And going back to the mute sister, outside of a brief "I'm still mad at you fight" upon their first meeting, we get no real conflict between brother and sister. She just silently joins her brother's side in fighting against their dad, and then returns back to what appears to be an antagonist role in the post-credit scene. I guess maybe I would be cool with that if she had more than like 3 lines.
In summary, this was just a moderately entertaining, mindless, soulless, paint-by-numbers marvel movie that had a ton of potential, but wasted it on CGI fights and Kaijus. I honestly think the biggest problem with this movie is the lack of heart in what should be an incredibly emotional story about familial trauma.
5.3/10
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Agree with everything you said
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Just got around to watching and actually pretty shocked at the near universal acclaim this film got. This is just such a mediocre movie with no real heart to it that is typically seen with some of the best Marvel films. I rank this squarely in the middle of the bottom third Marvel movies next to movies like Iron Man 3, Captain Marvel, and Thor.
The acting was pretty bland outside of Tony Leung. The sister was bizarrely mute for the entire movie to the point that I kept forgetting she was in the movie, and then when I did remember I questioned why I should even care about her. The middle portion of the movie dragged terribly. Nearly turned it off because I got so bored with it. There was absolutely no character growth for the title character. Tony Leung's character also has absolutely no character growth. He just kinda dies as soon as you think you are going to maybe get some emotional transformation in his character arc.
I also found the fight scenes to be pretty soulless. Looked cool, but there was no real passion, nothing unique about them, they were just kind of generic kung-fu fights that were well choreographed. Random good and bad dragons get dumped on us in the third act without any sort of build up.
The writers get real lazy with how they all escape the Father's compound by just having a character literally break down a wall using no effort and stating something along the lines of "Oh, I've done this before" as some sort of logical explanation. It was like something out of a cartoon.
They also just kind of gloss over Shang-Chi killing someone as a 14 year old at the order of his father. They don't show it happen, they don't show the emotional fall out, and it just kind of feels forgotten outside of the brief conversation with Kate. This is the kind of thing that should have been focused on in the third act. Rather than have magical dragons and all that other BS, the third act should have been grounded in human conflict. It should have addressed the father and son relationship more, Shang-Chi should have forced a realization on Tony Leung's character of the emotional and physical torment that he put his children through.
And going back to the mute sister, outside of a brief "I'm still mad at you fight" upon their first meeting, we get no real conflict between brother and sister. She just silently joins her brother's side in fighting against their dad, and then returns back to what appears to be an antagonist role in the post-credit scene. I guess maybe I would be cool with that if she had more than like 3 lines.
In summary, this was just a moderately entertaining, mindless, soulless, paint-by-numbers marvel movie that had a ton of potential, but wasted it on CGI fights and Kaijus. I honestly think the biggest problem with this movie is the lack of heart in what should be an incredibly emotional story about familial trauma.
5.3/10
I enjoyed the movie overall.. I was expecting them to pull a FWS plot point that he killed Kate's dad. And part of his penance hs been to visit and be with the family..
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Fun movie. Really enjoyed it. Katie's Hotel California bit on the scaffolding had me laughing.
Not my favorite marvel movie but I enjoyed it. The bits with Morris and Trevor were hilarious. Reminded me of Korg.
The rings sending a beacon out is interesting and can lead to many different settings. Maybe it's what awakens Adam Warlock?
The rings sending a beacon out is interesting and can lead to many different settings. Maybe it's what awakens Adam Warlock?
I watched it last night. Enjoyed it. Solid upper half of the MCU.
I enjoyed it, but I also was kind of expecting it to be better based on the reviews.
My notes:
- There was several orders of magnitude more Ben Kingsley in this movie than I was expecting when I saw him. It was like "Oh this is a funny shoutout to that chara... huh, he's going with them in the car... oh wow he's just in this movie I guess."
- It's a good think Awkwafina is a fast learner or the dragon was going to go out like a punk. Also, are they steering the dragon when they're riding it?
- I know some people don't want this, but I like a good old fashioned attempt to explain the powers. The ten rings just... are? Clearly they're very intuitive, but like, what do they do exactly?
My notes:
- There was several orders of magnitude more Ben Kingsley in this movie than I was expecting when I saw him. It was like "Oh this is a funny shoutout to that chara... huh, he's going with them in the car... oh wow he's just in this movie I guess."
- It's a good think Awkwafina is a fast learner or the dragon was going to go out like a punk. Also, are they steering the dragon when they're riding it?
- I know some people don't want this, but I like a good old fashioned attempt to explain the powers. The ten rings just... are? Clearly they're very intuitive, but like, what do they do exactly?
I have two working theory.. base on the 10 ring being a celestial weapons similar to those use by the eternalBrock Sampson said:
Not my favorite marvel movie but I enjoyed it. The bits with Morris and Trevor were hilarious. Reminded me of Korg.
The rings sending a beacon out is interesting and can lead to many different settings. Maybe it's what awakens Adam Warlock?
so 1: The beacon called out to the Celestial since the planet now had enough power to born the Tiamat.
or 2: It called out to Galactus to inform him that a celestial was being born... time for him to get a little snack.
It's really interesting how widely the reactions to this one vary. I liked it a lot, but I get some of the complaints. But then there's some who think it's one of the worst Marvel movies ever made.
My theory about how Katy knows archery quickly... they mention that you are what your name is and who your ancestors are....so that might explain her quick pickup of a bow and arrow.
Katy might just be a natural genetic freak at archery. Probably helps being in a magic place too. Maybe some of it rubbed off on her.
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