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Just a heads up, they are doing more special screenings around the country before the Christmas screening. Still in a very limited capacity, but got tickets in Chicago for next Saturday! Haven't been this excited for a movie in a long time!

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/11/licorice-pizza-preview-three-cities-saturday-1234681679/
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People really want to see this? It looks like crap and the main girl is butt ugly.
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Cromagnum said:

People really want to see this? It looks like crap and the main girl is butt ugly.

How can you say that when tctts just posted 50 tweets from people you've never heard of, loving it
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Haha.

Thanks for the laugh TC
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Finally seeing this tonight. For now, it's only playing in one (huge) theater in LA, and this place is absolutely packed, ten minutes before showtime. So stoked. Will report back after.
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Cromagnum said:

People really want to see this? It looks like crap and the main girl is butt ugly.


She's not conventionally attractive, but there's something about her...

Maybe something similar to how women feel about Adam Driver.
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I'm torn.

On one hand, that was an incredibly fun movie-going experience. Until Christmas day, when this finally goes wide, it's playing in only one theater in LA, Paul Thomas Anderson's favorite, the Regency Village Theater in Westwood (by UCLA), where they do a ton premieres, that seats over 1300 people. And I would say it was about 90% full tonight. So a massive crowd who laughed throughout, and there are few things better than seeing a movie like this in a theater like that with a buzzing audience.

That said... this is one of the most *random* movies I have ever seen. And this is coming from a huge PTA fan.

The plot of this movie, as the trailer suggests (though I still wasn't 100% sure going in), really is the romantic, will-they/won't-they story of 25-year-old woman with a job and a 15-going-on-16-year-old actor/entrepreneur boy in high school. Who eventually start a waterbed company together.

Yes, that's the plot of Licorice Pizza, the title of which is never referenced once, in any way.

Don't get me wrong... it's funny (hilarious even, at times), it's endearing, it's incredibly well made, and the soundtrack is fantastic. But it also kind of sort of feels like PTA was out of ideas, so he threw two or three half-baked ideas together, set it in the San Fernando Valley again (where he grew up and where Boogie Nights takes place), and slapped a super random title on it.

Yet… I also still really liked it? I think?

We heard some people talking on the way out that it felt like a few mini movies strung together, and that's certainly somewhat accurate. The love story is definitely the spine throughout, but there are these entire crazy sequences - one with Sean Penn's character, one with Bradley Cooper's character, and one with Benny Sadie's character - that each feel like they're from totally different movies. Though, not necessarily in a bad way at all. In fact, the Bradley Cooper stuff is flat-out amazing, had the audience rolling, and the movie goes to a whole other level when his character shows up. It's electric, and so damn funny. But his segment is way too brief, and you ultimately end up wanting him to be the foil throughout, instead of just for 20 minutes or so.

I don't know. I need to sit with this one a while and maybe even see it again. It's already growing on me more and more, but it's definitely a few notches below the best of PTA (which, in fairness, consists of some of the best movies ever made).

I'm so incredibly curious to hear what the rest of you are going to think...
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I saw this last week in a crowded theater as well and have sat with it the entire week. Alana Haim was just the perfect person for this role and has probably the funniest performance of the year. I don't want to go too deep into plot details, but this is working on me just like Phantom Thread did. Loved it while watching it, but loved and appreciated it more afterwards.

As far as where it lands for me In the PTA of it all:

Tier 1: Boogie Nights, There Will Be Blood, Phantom Thread
Tier 2: Magnolia, Licorice Pizza, The Master
Tier 3: Hard Eight, Punch Drunk Love, Inherent Vice

LP could move up with future viewing! All 9 of these movies are at worst good and like TCTTS said some of these are just the best.
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A 25 year old woman and 16 year old boy? And it's a will they / won't they story? Not a if she does she's going to prison story?
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I saw this last night. Saw HAIM (all 3) at the Alamo Drafthouse South Lamar and was able to get in to their set after.

Not really a movie guy just saw this movie because Alana is on it, I liked the first hour then the rest kinda dragged and I didn't like the ending. But this is also the first PTA movie I ever see so my opinion probably doesn't matter
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I will see any Paul Thomas Anderson movie that comes out - like the Coen brothers, or Wes Anderson, perhaps Fincher. While I may not always be peak entertained, they do interesting stuff.

I liked this one more than Inherent Vice or Phantom Thread or perhaps even The Master, even though I'm an 80's kid some of the 70's stuff is timeless as far as dating and teenage or even 20-ish years.

Better humor through this one than the three mentioned, and I thought the leads did well.

I wouldn't say it's completely random since it's based on an actual person (at least some of Cooper Hoffman's character experiences) and it's slice of life in the valley stuff that PTA loves. I can't relate, didn't grow up there, but still find it interesting.

I found it passed quickly and that I wanted more story telling from the character's lives - I guess that is a positive review.
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I saw this cuz like Complete Idiot said above, I will watch anything PTA as he always does really interesting stuff that grabs me even when it's dull... Yes, it's interesting, there are some very funny vignettes (Bradley Cooper especially), and I thought Cooper Hoffman was great...


But that said, that movie was ****ing creepy. That was not endearing to me. She was a 25-year-old woman and he's a 15-year-old kid. Doesn't matter that Hoffman looked older than 15, and I enjoyed how he acted well beyond his years throughout. But I just couldn't get past that.

The ending is just odd and I'm surprised more people aren't saying "WTF was that???"
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Thanks for commenting on this movie - hard to get any traffic on non mega blockbuster threads.

The story was based on a real person, Gary Goetzman, but to what extent it accurately portrays a 15 year old romance with a 25 year old I don't know.

A 15 year old boy having a crush on a 25 year old woman? May seem creepy to some but to me it seems like "duh".

A 25 year old consummating a relationship with a 15 year old boy? Now illegal and definitely feels inappropriate as a result, but throughout the movie she rebuffs him and says it isn't right. It is not until the very end you see them kiss and she says she loves him. A kiss isn't much and the nature of her love isn't well articulated, but safe to assume romantic love I guess. She had pursued or been interested in different guys throughout the movie and been burned, Gary remained a sweet constant who demonstrated he truly cared for her. I wasn't creeped out by it since it was set in the 70's and didn't portray a romantic relationship between the two.
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Complete Idiot said:

A 15 year old boy having a crush on a 25 year old woman? May seem creepy to some but to me it seems like "duh".

No disagreement here, and I don't find that aspect creepy at all. Totally normal for a teenage boy to have a crush on an older girl.

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A 25 year old consummating a relationship with a 15 year old boy? Now illegal and definitely feels inappropriate as a result, but throughout the movie she rebuffs him and says it isn't right. It is not until the very end you see them kiss and she says she loves him. A kiss isn't much and the nature of her love isn't well articulated, but safe to assume romantic love I guess. She had pursued or been interested in different guys throughout the movie and been burned, Gary remained a sweet constant who demonstrated he truly cared for her. I wasn't creeped out by it since it was set in the 70's and didn't portray a romantic relationship between the two.


Here's where I disagree strongly. She rebuffs him at first, but the whole movie is them growing a bond and ultimately, they end up together at the end. You can say it was ambiguous but I thought it was pretty clear.

It was the stuff like her getting jealous when seeing him with other girls... them laying on the water bed and having sexual tension... Playing footsies under the table... those scenes were really uncomfortable to me.

It really feels like people are just glossing over this cuz its PTA and it's "artistic" but I dunno man... that was all just off to me.
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I like the discussion, I have to admit it didn't bother me at all - now you have me worried I should have been!

I'm also not sure what time frame was covered in the movie or how old he was supposed to be at the end. He opened a waterbed store and later an arcade during the timeline. Could he have been 17 at end? I may also lose site of the fact it's a 15 year old character since the actor is older and the character seemed worldly and like an adult in a young man's body.

And even the laws are a bit odd - 16 and a half, illegal and labeled sex offender. The day they turn 17, fine. But I also know personal opinion may differ from laws.
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I had to search to find this thread since nobody has posted on it in months, only to find half of the thread is a pretty annoying Twitter assault. Cool. Anyway..

Bradley Cooper's character and scenes were great. The (super) brief John C Reilly cameo made me laugh out loud. The leads were both very good and there were moments of genuine humor and sweetness.

But overall this movie kinda sucked. I couldn't decide if it was edited poorly or just intentionally weird for the sake of being weird, but the pacing was awful. Runtime was way too long. The thread of the story is pretty gross when you take a step back and think about what you're watching. And there were too many scenes where I was sort of invested, but mostly because I was trying to figure out if I missed something or if I was watching an inside joke.

Can't believe this has 91% on rotten tomatoes. One of the few movies I've walked out of in a long time knowing I have zero desire to see it again.
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