Boo Weekley said:
Duncan Idaho said:
You are living in a fantasy world if you think sports and entertainment have ever been separated from social and political commentary in any meaningful sense.
Art by it's very definition is a commentary of how it's creators see society, politics and religion. Feature length films started out as political commentary.
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Most feature films are between 75 and 210 minutes long. The first narrative feature film was the 60-minute The Story of the Kelly Gang (1906, Australia).[1] The first (proto)-feature-length film adaptation was Les Misrables (1909, U.S.). Other early feature films include L'Inferno, Defence of Sevastopol (1911), Oliver Twist (American version), Oliver Twist (British version), Richard III, From the Manger to the Cross, Cleopatra (1912), Quo Vadis? (1913), Cabiria (1914) and The Birth of a Nation (1915).
Most if not all of these have some political or social commentary.
Sports has also been intertwined with the civil rights movement since at least the 1936 Olympics. I am sure it goes back further than that. Sports is a meritocracy and as such it provides a platform for members of the under privileged classes a platform to speak
There is not such thing as Entertainment without social/political/economic/relit commentary.
You are delusional beyond all hope if you don't notice how out of control (in one way) it has gotten in recent years. Again, you are "onw of them" so I do not expect you to get it. You would if the right wing ever high jacked sports and entertainment.
It's almost insulting how stupid you and TCTTS and some others think we are. Just the other day, TCTTS tried to make the argument (with a straight face) that Hollywood wasn't overwhelmingly lib. I think he was counting all of the behind the scenes people, but still. It's absurd. Any actor could come out in support of Socialism or Marxism with zero backlash, but right wing actors face being blackballed if they speak their minds.
I don't expect you to get it. I think people left of center are incapable of acknowledging this (with few exceptions) because you get the warm fuzzies when Susan Sarandon or Meryl Streep or Miley Cyrus get up in front of an auditorium and start espousing your left winged views.
People here always ask me why I don't just ignore you guys and one big reason is that you're
constantly misquoting me. Case in point, what I've actually said - many, many times - is that Hollywood isn't a liberal hive-mind; that of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in this industry, there are plenty of conservatives, non-extreme liberals, and middle-of-the-road folk. I have never ever once said that Hollywood isn't overwhelmingly liberal. My *only* contention is that it's not as wholly liberal as you guys make it out to be. Are the worst offenders as bad as you say? Of course. For the 400th time, I agree 100% and wish, just like you, that some of them would keep their mouths shut. I'm merely saying, I'm the one who actually lives and works here and I'm constantly coming across people - from execs to below-the-line workers - who don't at all share the opinions of Clooney, Penn, Streep, and the like. I've been saying this for years and yet, for years, you guys only hear what you want to hear, and then constantly tell others the version of the truth you think you read, smearing me in the process.
To that end, why should I ever listen to a word you have to say when you so often don't listen to mine? For instance, yesterday I *just* told you how sick and tired I and others are of you guys coming here to bash Hollywood day after day after day; that it's not that you're saying negative things about Hollywood, rather it's the frequency in which it interrupts our conversations, and that you can't keep the bashing to F16, 99% of which is political in nature. Yet, today, when someone asks you via meme, "Why are you here again?" you brazenly say, "to enlighten TCTTS and other industry insiders of the growing problem that threatens to negatively impact his industry." Tell me, how, on God's green earth, do you not think that message has come through loud and clear for YEARS now? Especially when, again, I *just* told you that it did. How do you seriously think I'm not already enlightened to that fact?
Here's the thing, though… I could not give any less of a sh*t what you think or what you do. I
only care insomuch as to the degree in which it constantly interrupts the discussions I love having with people here about movies and TV. Do you know why I don't care what you think? Because you and others like you spend the vast majority of your time on this site posting in a hard-right extremist echo chamber that is mocked mercilessly by the world outside of it, a message board that is notorious for its delusion, and a place I've personally witnessed time and again reinforce that it is, in fact, a cesspool of little equal. Not because of its views - again, I lean way more right than you guys think - but because of the way it chooses to
express its views, and the way in which it lacks any empathy whatsoever for anyone who doesn't fall in lockstep with its views. Anyone who posts there as much as you do cannot possibly have a firm grip on reality. Moreover, you are someone who seemingly sees the world strictly through politics - who rabidly
defines themselves through their politics - and in my experience, people who do just that simply aren't worth engaging in any serious manner.
So, please, I beg you, STOP watching these movies, STOP watching these TV shows. We don't need your money. We don't want your money. Just STOP coming here to virtue signal and soapbox and suck any and all fun out of the apolitical conversations we're trying to have about the things we love.
