Didn't Gene just succumb to Saul by not using the vacuum guy again, handling the cabbie himself, and putting together an elaborate scam to rip off the department store?DannyDuberstein said:
I think this series ends with Gene succumbing to Saul and it getting him caught. I could see Jeffie and this heist playing some role in that
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I think "succumb" implies getting caught by the authorities.Complete Idiot said:Didn't Gene just succumb to Saul by not using the vacuum guy again, handling the cabbie himself, and putting together an elaborate scam to rip off the department store?DannyDuberstein said:
I think this series ends with Gene succumbing to Saul and it getting him caught. I could see Jeffie and this heist playing some role in that
Yes, that was domino 1. As mentioned, I just mean to the point that it gets him busted.
No, I think he means Jimmy giving in to his Saul tendencies - succumbing to the Saul in him, leading to his demise.Ervin Burrell said:I think "succumb" implies getting caught by the authorities.Complete Idiot said:Didn't Gene just succumb to Saul by not using the vacuum guy again, handling the cabbie himself, and putting together an elaborate scam to rip off the department store?DannyDuberstein said:
I think this series ends with Gene succumbing to Saul and it getting him caught. I could see Jeffie and this heist playing some role in that
I think I misread his post though, he's saying the same thing - I feel like Jeff and partner ALREADY played a role in that Saul activity, and it certainly could lead to him getting caught.
IMO, there are two ways to read the final scene this past episode. Either Jimmy caught the Saul bug again, but then chose to literally "hang it up" when he put the jacket/tie back on the rack - or - Jimmy caught the Saul bug again, and leaving the jacket/tie hanging like that is a sign of things to come, it's too enticing, he's going to don the suit once more, likely leading to his demise, etc. Personally, I think it has to be the latter, because otherwise what would the drama/conflict of the final three episodes be, save for some kind of Kim reunion and whatever they're doing in 2008 with Walk and Jesse? Especially if the same actor who played Jeff is coming back. I'm also assuming they didn't book Carol Burnett for only one episode, and that she might have a more crucial role to play?
You jerks convinced me Carol Burnett was Kim's mom so I kept waiting to see how Gene was getting to Kim through her.
The Jeffie walked in and my thought was 'GD TexAgs!!'.
The Jeffie walked in and my thought was 'GD TexAgs!!'.
Was thinking literally the exact same thing.
fatdad84ag said:
Probably didn't talk Carol Burnett into a one episode roll. Bet she has plenty to do with the return of Jeffie.
She reminded me of how patient Jimmy is with the elderly. Yes, he took advantage of her but it took me back to sandpiper days. He just has a knack. We never saw that with Saul.
mazzag said:fatdad84ag said:
Probably didn't talk Carol Burnett into a one episode roll. Bet she has plenty to do with the return of Jeffie.
She reminded me of how patient Jimmy is with the elderly. Yes, he took advantage of her but it took me back to sandpiper days. He just has a knack. We never saw that with Saul.
His first time. Not a good example.
So what are the odds this is basically exactly the same as the BB episode just focused on Jimmy?
bigjag19 said:
So what are the odds this is basically exactly the same as the BB episode just focused on Jimmy?
What BB episode focused on Jimmy?
I'm guessing they were referring to the scene where Walt and jessie snag him.Know Your Enemy said:bigjag19 said:
So what are the odds this is basically exactly the same as the BB episode just focused on Jimmy?
What BB episode focused on Jimmy?
Other people have hinted at this throughout the thread, so we might as well explore it fully while we're still killing time between episodes: are we absolutely certain that Saul can't return to Albuquerque or start a new life in public in another city?
Since he went into hiding as Gene, Walt has gotten killed, as have the Nazis and pretty much anyone else he worked with. The cartel members are already dead, as is the lead DEA agent on his case and anyone who could tie him back to Madrigal.
All Walt's money is gone (except for the portion his old business partners agreed to give Walt Jun…er, Flynn, later), so what actual evidence would the Feds have of his illegal activity that could hold up in court? Skyler obviously knows, but I don't see how she could rat him out without implicating herself. And his disappearance is obviously shady, but would they have found anything other than evidence of his largesse when they raided his house? Surely he wasn't dumb enough to keep files there, and he could say the money came from the Sandpiper settlement. And he could say he only went into hiding because Walt turned crazy/dangerous and he feared for his life.
I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting since I haven't watched BB in years, but is the possibility of Saul being able to come out of hiding once he learns Walt is dead really THAT crazy?
Since he went into hiding as Gene, Walt has gotten killed, as have the Nazis and pretty much anyone else he worked with. The cartel members are already dead, as is the lead DEA agent on his case and anyone who could tie him back to Madrigal.
All Walt's money is gone (except for the portion his old business partners agreed to give Walt Jun…er, Flynn, later), so what actual evidence would the Feds have of his illegal activity that could hold up in court? Skyler obviously knows, but I don't see how she could rat him out without implicating herself. And his disappearance is obviously shady, but would they have found anything other than evidence of his largesse when they raided his house? Surely he wasn't dumb enough to keep files there, and he could say the money came from the Sandpiper settlement. And he could say he only went into hiding because Walt turned crazy/dangerous and he feared for his life.
I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting since I haven't watched BB in years, but is the possibility of Saul being able to come out of hiding once he learns Walt is dead really THAT crazy?
The DEA agent dying doesnt mean all the evidence is gone.J.P. 03 said:
Other people have hinted at this throughout the thread, so we might as well explore it fully while we're still killing time between episodes: are we absolutely certain that Saul can't return to Albuquerque or start a new life in public in another city?
Since he went into hiding as Gene, Walt has gotten killed, as have the Nazis and pretty much anyone else he worked with. The cartel members are already dead, as is the lead DEA agent on his case and anyone who could tie him back to Madrigal.
All Walt's money is gone (except for the portion his old business partners agreed to give Walt Jun…er, Flynn, later), so what actual evidence would the Feds have of his illegal activity that could hold up in court? Skyler obviously knows, but I don't see how she could rat him out without implicating herself. And his disappearance is obviously shady, but would they have found anything other than evidence of his largesse when they raided his house? Surely he wasn't dumb enough to keep files there, and he could say the money came from the Sandpiper settlement. And he could say he only went into hiding because Walt turned crazy/dangerous and he feared for his life.
I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting since I haven't watched BB in years, but is the possibility of Saul being able to come out of hiding once he learns Walt is dead really THAT crazy?
Legit forward to reading some the answers for this. It's been so long since I've seen BB that I still can't remember *exactly* what Saul did, all I know is that he's almost assuredly a wanted man, in the eyes of the law. But if there are certain loopholes or a lack of evidence, considering everyone who's now dead, that could certainly open up some interesting possibilities.
I wonder if there's any kind a plea deal to be reached? Saul is the one guy who had so many ties to all sides of this fiasco, he could really offer some valuable, dot-connecting info. Though, given that basically everyone's dead, I don't know how valuable that info could be if it doesn't lead to other arrests.
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Can someone with a better memory than me tell if Saul's mansion was being emptied out by the Feds or just whoever was hired to remove the belongings since he disappeared?
Just went back and re-watched that scene. Definitely was NOT the Feds, just a moving company. I'm sure there are reasons he can't just go back to being Saul. I just can't think of anything solid at the moment.
If you haven't watched the primer for this season on Amazon Prime I'd suggest it. It's a mockumentary of some of the true crime shows you'd find on ID or Oxygen. While it may not enumerate Jimmy's exact crimes, it gives a very good overview of what he did for Walter White. For one thing, Saul set up the legal house of cards that was Walt's money laundering scheme, so the FBI's Financial Crimes division is all over that.TCTTS said:
Legit forward to reading some the answers for this. It's been so long since I've seen BB that I still can't remember *exactly* what Saul did, all I know is that he's almost assuredly a wanted man, in the eyes of the law. But if there are certain loopholes or a lack of evidence, considering everyone who's now dead, that could certainly open up some interesting possibilities.
Probably not the kinds of things one goes to prison for life like Walter, but enough to make the risk of running and hiding attractive.
Oh, nice. I vaguely remember seeing that posted here, but I'll have to seek it out now. Thanks for the heads up.
It's an "American Greed" episode about Saul Goodman. I believe it was actually produced by the people who do the real American Greed. Vince Gilligan is a fan and approached them about it (recall that from one of the insider podcast episodes)
Awesome, thanks. Found it and will definitely watch before Monday's episode...
Know Your Enemy said:
Just went back and re-watched that scene. Definitely was NOT the Feds, just a moving company.
Holy cow, you're right. I guess I just assumed it was the Feds given the fact that he had fled, but those are definitely just movers. A couple other small things I noticed when i re-watched the scene:
1) Is that a safe room at around the 1:30 mark? Funny detail that I didn't notice the first time around.
2) Did we discuss the Time Traveller book on the night stand at the time? If not, here are two tidbits I found on Wikipedia that may help explain its symbolism:
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The Time Traveller theorizes that intelligence is the result of and response to danger; with no real challenges facing the Eloi, they have lost the spirit, intelligence, and physical fitness of humanity at its peak.
Wonder if this explains Gene and why he's wasting away in Omaha without being able to execute schemes, and also why he's willing to pull one on the cab driver even if it means risking his anonymity.
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Meanwhile, he saves an Eloi named Weena from drowning as none of the other Eloi take any notice of her plight, and they develop an innocently affectionate relationship over the course of several days.
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He plans to take Weena back to his own time. Because the long and tiring journey back to Weena's home is too much for them, they stop in the forest for the night. They are then overcome by Morlocks in the night, whereby Weena faints. The Traveller escapes when a small fire he had left behind them to distract the Morlocks turns into a forest fire; Weena and the pursuing Morlocks are lost in the fire and the Time Traveller is devastated over his loss.
I wonder if this is a parallel to Kim and the Howard situation. Jimmy started a small "fire" to ruin Howard, but it ended up spreading out of control and getting him killed, then cost him Kim as a result.
Alright, that's enough nerding for one post. Here's the scene if you want to re-watch it:
Will Saul return to his abandoned house and see "Slippin' Jimmy" graffiti'd on the wall?
I too noticed the safe room tonight but don't remember it from the original viewing.
TCTTS said:
Legit forward to reading some the answers for this. It's been so long since I've seen BB that I still can't remember *exactly* what Saul did, all I know is that he's almost assuredly a wanted man, in the eyes of the law. But if there are certain loopholes or a lack of evidence, considering everyone who's now dead, that could certainly open up some interesting possibilities.
Aside from any other evidence the cops might or might not have on Saul, Huell certainly knew enough about Saul's shady dealings and his involvement with Walt, that he (Huell) would certainly be a problem for Saul. Wonder if Huell is still sitting on that sofa?
Know Your Enemy said:
Just went back and re-watched that scene. Definitely was NOT the Feds, just a moving company. I'm sure there are reasons he can't just go back to being Saul. I just can't think of anything solid at the moment.
But even the Feds probably have to hire a moving company, unless we think the Feds have in-house movers. Granted there weren't any cops in the scene. But, it just seems like if Saul is on the run that it has to be the law emptying his house. On-the-run-Saul is probably not going to hire movers and keep his stuff in storage. Maybe we'll find out.
Duckhook said:Know Your Enemy said:
Just went back and re-watched that scene. Definitely was NOT the Feds, just a moving company. I'm sure there are reasons he can't just go back to being Saul. I just can't think of anything solid at the moment.
But even the Feds probably have to hire a moving company, unless we think the Feds have in-house movers. Granted there weren't any cops in the scene. But, it just seems like if Saul is on the run that it has to be the law emptying his house. On-the-run-Saul is probably not going to hire movers and keep his stuff in storage. Maybe we'll find out.
They were not wearing gloves and were throwing some stuff away. I can't imagine the Feds would allow either of those to happen on their watch if it was considered potential evidence in a case against Saul.
Know Your Enemy said:Duckhook said:Know Your Enemy said:
Just went back and re-watched that scene. Definitely was NOT the Feds, just a moving company. I'm sure there are reasons he can't just go back to being Saul. I just can't think of anything solid at the moment.
But even the Feds probably have to hire a moving company, unless we think the Feds have in-house movers. Granted there weren't any cops in the scene. But, it just seems like if Saul is on the run that it has to be the law emptying his house. On-the-run-Saul is probably not going to hire movers and keep his stuff in storage. Maybe we'll find out.
They were not wearing gloves and were throwing some stuff away. I can't imagine the Feds would allow either of those to happen on their watch if it was considered potential evidence in a case against Saul.
Good points. So who do you think the movers are working for? What are the circumstances under which the house is being emptied? Just for speculation.
Saul may have been gone long enough for his house to be foreclosed on
PatAg said:
Saul may have been gone long enough for his house to be foreclosed on
True. As a banker I can't believe I let that possibility elude me.
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