I'm confused where the line is. Church canceled a concert, which affected fans of his music. Murray did <something inappropriate, allegedly> which led to a cancellation of his movie, which I guess will affect fans of his humor/entertainment. When is caring about an entertainer's behavior and decisions embarrassing and like caring about the royal family again? I need a rule book.bam02 said:Complete Idiot said:Interesting, I guess this only applies if you like their entertainment?bam02 said:TCTTS said:
Curious to hear what he may or may not have done, and see how severe the consequences are, all things considered.
I'm not, but I'm not interested in the lives of any celebrities. I'm embarrassed for anyone who is, really. This is like caring about the royal family.
Bill Murray is a genius at entertaining people. I don't really care if he's an a-hole or a great guy.
https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3280887/1
He's a "d-bag", "selfish prima donna", you "find humor in fans seeing what a selfish jerk their favorite entertainers are" (you could argue this is the aim of this thread), and I'm sure there is more in that thread if I kept scanning.
I don't know who Eric Church is, but I got a little ...I guess the word is triggered these days....when I saw someone on the entertainment board who clicked on a thread about Bill Murray's personal behavior and then attempted to shame people caring about Bill Murray's personal behavior. I wondered what other posts does this guy have on the entertainment board that might make him look like a hypocrite, little did I suspect I'd only have to go back a couple weeks to find a thread you started, with an entertainer's name in the thread title, attempting to shame an entertainer for their personal choices and not their entertainment content.
I only give money to texags so that I can use the forum search feature.
Eric church cancelled a concert at the expense of his fans. That's crapping on your audience. If Bill Murray is a pig to women (I don't know what the accusation is) that doesn't necessarily affect fans of his humor. Hope that helps.
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How far back can you search, by date? If you are about to save me some money - kudos to you.oragator said:
Cool, but I pay nothing and can search. And if you click on dknrmbed name you can sort their posts by date, subject etc.
Is there a super duper search function I'm missing out on?
This thread is about something Bill Murray may or may not have done in his professional life. You're the one coming in here saying that you don't care if he's an a-hole or a great guy (and I don't, either, I love the guy). But surely you can see the hypocrisy criticizing another public figure for something they did in their professional life?Quote:
There is a distinction. I honestly don't care about others personal lives. I care about how someone acts in their profession. Eric Church disrespected his fans. I think that is pathetic. Bill Murray hasn't done that as far as I know.
I admittedly didn't read the article and didn't realize Murrays behavior led to a movie being cancelled. I suppose you can stretch and parallel that to church cancelling a concert one week out. I don't think too many too many fans are put out because some movie didn't get made. I doubt they made travel plans to see a movie.
I will drop it and acknowledge that I may be seeing it wrong. I feel a certain distinction between church and Murray issues but maybe that's me being provincial.
What is the thing?
Do we hate Bill Murray now?
Or not?
Theres too much discussion on this topic.
For the record, the movie hasn't been cancelled. Only suspended for the time being, and they're actively working on a solution to finish it. My guess is they either recast Murray's role and do reshoots, or they find that Murray's offense wasn't that offensive, and he stays onboard. Either way, it sounds like this movie will be coming out, one way or another. Good thing too, because I really like everyone involved.
If you click on someone's name it's indefinite I think. If you use the search function it's a year maybe, but it's easy to google anything older than that. That's how I find older threads to pull back. Using the Movie or show name (or whatever parameter) and Texags, it usually is among the first hits. Maybe didn't work once when whatever I was searching for was an exceedingly common phrase.
As the thread starter, I can say I started it for a variety of reasons.
It impacts what appears to be a decent movie.
It may impact Bill's career going forward which is industry relevant.
It speaks to how the culture is changing in Hollywood where things that were likely tolerated before aren't now.
And yeah, as a life long fan it is disappointing. But that isn't something I will even think about likely when I click away from this thread.
To your larger point though I actually agree, what he does in his personal life isn't my business, nor do I want it to be. Just like I don't care who celebrities vote for, what causes they endorse, what religious beliefs they have, or anything else they try and peddle. Celebrity worship is dumb.
But more than enough relevant stuff to discuss.
Jmo.
It impacts what appears to be a decent movie.
It may impact Bill's career going forward which is industry relevant.
It speaks to how the culture is changing in Hollywood where things that were likely tolerated before aren't now.
And yeah, as a life long fan it is disappointing. But that isn't something I will even think about likely when I click away from this thread.
To your larger point though I actually agree, what he does in his personal life isn't my business, nor do I want it to be. Just like I don't care who celebrities vote for, what causes they endorse, what religious beliefs they have, or anything else they try and peddle. Celebrity worship is dumb.
But more than enough relevant stuff to discuss.
Jmo.
Fair enough and I agree with all this. I just get frustrated with nitpicking peoples personal lives when all
I care about is the product they put out. Like I said this is true for me from local politics to the NBA/politics/Hollywood.
I care about is the product they put out. Like I said this is true for me from local politics to the NBA/politics/Hollywood.
This thread has gone in enough directions to officially best my attention span. Can I come back tomorrow to tell you all why you're wrong?
oragator said:
Cool, but I pay nothing and can search. And if you click on someone's name you can sort their posts by date, subject etc.
Is there a super duper search function I'm missing out on?
I don't know if I could even Texags if I didn't have the watchlist feature.
oragator said:
If you click on someone's name it's indefinite I think. If you use the search function it's a year maybe, but it's easy to google anything older than that. That's how I find older threads to pull back. Using the Movie or show name (or whatever parameter) and Texags, it usually is among the first hits. Maybe didn't work once when whatever I was searching for was an exceedingly common phrase.
You can restrict Google searches by entering a URL after site: then a space and whatever you want to search. This can be done to restrict searches to individual forums.
site:https://texags.com/forums/13 bill murray
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftexags.com%2Fforums%2F13+bill+murray&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
I don't even know what that is here and I've made it.
Seriously though, given I'm usually either here or the OB it's not that hard to keep track of things I guess.
Seriously though, given I'm usually either here or the OB it's not that hard to keep track of things I guess.
Pretty good watch, currently free in Vudu.
I just love it when people give their opinion on a topic without taking 5 minutes to read an article that will get them up to speed.bam02 said:
I admittedly didn't read the article and didn't realize Murrays behavior led to a movie being cancelled. I suppose you can stretch and parallel that to church cancelling a concert one week out. I don't think too many too many fans are put out because some movie didn't get made. I doubt they made travel plans to see a movie.
There is no line. When you find out someone has done something wrong, you get online and let everyone know about it. You search their public records, you call their place of employment and try to get them fired, you look up their family and call THEIR JOBS to try and embarrass them, then you go on public forums and do everything you can to expose and humiliate them for as long as it takes to work. It doesn't matter how far in the past it was, it doesn't matter that you don't know the whole story, it doesn't matter that you would hate someone doing it to you. As a citizen of the Internet, it's your God-given responsibility to do all you can to drag someone down and let them know, that you know all their dirty secrets and you have judged the **** out of them, and will continue to do so every single ****ing time you see them.Complete Idiot said:
I'm confused where the line is. Church canceled a concert, which affected fans of his music. Murray did <something inappropriate, allegedly> which led to a cancellation of his movie, which I guess will affect fans of his humor/entertainment. When is caring about an entertainer's behavior and decisions embarrassing and like caring about the royal family again? I need a rule book.
helloimustbegoing said:There is no line. When you find out someone has done something wrong, you get online and let everyone know about it. You search their public records, you call their place of employment and try to get them fired, you look up their family and call THEIR JOBS to try and embarrass them, then you go on public forums and do everything you can to expose and humiliate them for as long as it takes to work. It doesn't matter how far in the past it was, it doesn't matter that you don't know the whole story, it doesn't matter that you would hate someone doing it to you. As a citizen of the Internet, it's your God-given responsibility to do all you can to drag someone down and let them know, that you know all their dirty secrets and you have judged the **** out of them, and will continue to do so every single ****ing time you see them.Complete Idiot said:
I'm confused where the line is. Church canceled a concert, which affected fans of his music. Murray did <something inappropriate, allegedly> which led to a cancellation of his movie, which I guess will affect fans of his humor/entertainment. When is caring about an entertainer's behavior and decisions embarrassing and like caring about the royal family again? I need a rule book.
It used to be that the accused would be innocent until proven guilty but cancel culture has reversed it the other way around.
It's stupid to stop production of an entire movie over an accusation. You're talking about dozens of people who work on a movie who are out of a job based on something that may or may not be true.
Who are we to judge the accused when we don't really know all the facts? Isn't that why we have a judicial system?
It's stupid to stop production of an entire movie over an accusation. You're talking about dozens of people who work on a movie who are out of a job based on something that may or may not be true.
Who are we to judge the accused when we don't really know all the facts? Isn't that why we have a judicial system?
I'd like to know more details before passing judgment. Not all behavior is equally inappropriate.
You've judged those that halted production as "stupid" based on your assumption that it is just an accusation. Since this happened on a film set, there could be dozens of direct witnesses rather than just an accusation from a single person who said something happened in private - we don't know. You've made judgements without all the facts.GrayMatter said:
It used to be that the accused would be innocent until proven guilty but cancel culture has reversed it the other way around.
It's stupid to stop production of an entire movie over an accusation. You're talking about dozens of people who work on a movie who are out of a job based on something that may or may not be true.
Who are we to judge the accused when we don't really know all the facts? Isn't that why we have a judicial system?
If I'm guessing and playing the stereotype game then I might also be inclined to think this is a hollywood over reaction in order to look like they are doing the "right thing", but I know nothing beyond what I read - the incident happened on set and they shut down immediately that day, then investigated for 3 days, and then said production can't continue "at this time".
I can say that Aziz Ansari seems to have bad luck.
For real, the watchlist feature is worth the monthly subscription.oragator said:
I don't even know what that is here and I've made it.
Seriously though, given I'm usually either here or the OB it's not that hard to keep track of things I guess.
I'm tires of canceling celebs for wishy washy stuff. Hell the last murder wasn't even on purpose. When are we going to get a gerbil up the ass or ****** hooker again??
Carlo4 said:
Is it Kelly Lynch?
https://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/bill-murray-likes-to-call-kelly-lynchs-husband-every-time-he-sees-patrick-swayze-having-sex-with-her-in-road-house/
It's not only Bill Murray but his brothers all make the call when they see Roadhouse on TV.
Also, there a LOT of crappy and mediocre people in this world and especially in this country...Bill Murray ain't one of them.
I knew Bill Murray fairly well. He's not a jerk at all. He doesn't suffer fools and there are plenty of them in Hollywood.
He was a bit of turd 30 years ago while going through a divorce and overindulging. But that didn't last long.
He was a bit of turd 30 years ago while going through a divorce and overindulging. But that didn't last long.
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I had a conversation about Bill Murray the other day with a musician friend of mine who has his own "Bill Murray story" in Vegas. Said when he got done playing that they were all walking off stage and Bill yelled my friend's name, came up and did the Wayne's World "we're not worthy" bit, gave him a bearhug and told him how great he played.TCTTS said:bam02 said:TCTTS said:
Curious to hear what he may or may not have done, and see how severe the consequences are, all things considered.
I'm not, but I'm not interested in the lives of any celebrities. I'm embarrassed for anyone who is, really. This is like caring about the royal family.
Bill Murray is a genius at entertaining people. I don't really care if he's an a-hole or a great guy.
Congratulations.
For the record, I don't "care" in any meaningful sense, but I am *curious* from a cultural standpoint.
That, and there are multiple forums on this site devoted to grown ass men spending an inordinate amount of time obsessing over and defining their happiness based on the lives, whims, and performances of 17, 18, and 19-year-old teenagers.
So, no matter how you slice it, this seems like the wrong website to come and talk down to people for discussing such matters.
I have probably 30 Billy Murray shirts, practically everything William Murray Golf has ever put out, and have long said if there was one person in this world I could just spend a day hanging out with it'd be him. "What About Bob?" is also my favorite comedy of all time.
There's no way he's a real life ahole. Just watch how he interacts with people in the gallery at the Pebble Beach Pro-Am every year. Or at Cubs games or random after house parties, etc. Absolute legend.
This is really all it takes. Apologizing, reflecting, having a dialogue with whoever you wronged, learning from your mistake(s), and pledging to do better. Again, I hate cancel culture, but half these dude would have been "uncanceled" already if they simply responded with this kind of genuine humility...
Bill Murray reflects on inappropriate behavior that led to the shutdown of his latest film https://t.co/lMYKCroxSe
— CNBC (@CNBC) April 30, 2022
Ok. Appease the liberal cancel culture, that will get them to stop!
There's nothing wrong with apologizing when you've done something you genuinely believe you should apologize for, but apologizing isn't what gets individuals out of having their careers ruined. Their existent career does that. Bill Murray can apologize and move on from an incident, because he's Bill Murray. A lesser known or lesser liked individual isn't going to receive the same treatment.
Apologizing is not nothing, but it's far from the "if half the canceled people just apologized they'd be uncanceled" that you claim.
Apologizing is not nothing, but it's far from the "if half the canceled people just apologized they'd be uncanceled" that you claim.
BCG Disciple said:
Ok. Appease the liberal cancel culture, that will get them to stop!
I'm not at all talking about "appeasing the liberal cancel culture."
By all accounts, Murray said/did something that was either highly inappropriate, extremely out of line, or not at all fit for a work environment. Whatever it was, it was something big enough to shut down an entire movie production, which rarely ever happens, a fact that can't be emphasized enough. Considering that, all I'm saying is, so many of these idiots, when they do/say something wrong, and are looking down the barrel of being cancelled, they double down, say it didn't happen, make excuses, don't apologize, etc. When simply being a mature, culpable, apologetic adult about the situation can go a hell of a long way.
I swear, some you see the world through such an insane political prism, you can't even recognize when someone is talking about simply apologizing for something they did wrong. That's all I'm saying.
hph6203 said:
There's nothing wrong with apologizing when you've done something you genuinely believe you should apologize for, but apologizing isn't what gets individuals out of having their careers ruined. Their existent career does that. Bill Murray can apologize and move on from an incident, because he's Bill Murray. A lesser known or lesser liked individual isn't going to receive the same treatment.
Apologizing is not nothing, but it's far from the "if half the canceled people just apologized they'd be uncanceled" that you claim.
Ok? That doesn't negate anything I said, and is, frankly, a different topic (though one admittedly worth having). When I offhandedly said "half" the cancelled people, the person who came to mind was someone like Louis C.K.; someone who gave a half-assed apology, still seemed pretty defiant/bitter afterwards, and basically never really came across as someone who learned the lesson "don't jerk off in front of non-consenting women." Otherwise, I guarantee you, had he, say, done an interview where he came across even half as apologetic/humbled as Murray does in that clip, he'd be fine by now, back on a major comedy tour through America, instead of desperately trying to do shows in Ukraine in the face of a Russian invasion.
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