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Jon Snow Sequel Series?!

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

People say this but then forget that all of S6 was written solely by them, which contains the two highest rated episodes of the show.
It's good as a whole and has some wonderful moments (as does season 7), but it's also where the cracks really start to show. Tyrion starts entering his phase of replacing intelligence with drunken snarkiness. Arya is stabbed and falls into a dirty canal, coming away unscathed. You have the continuation of the Dorne nonsense.

A lot of it still works because the plot is moving in obvious ways coming off the last book (Jon being resurrected, Dany taking over the Dothraki, the Hound being alive), and because it's shot beautifully, with great actors portraying characters we've come to love. And we were all so engrossed with it that we brushed off the warning signs.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

People say this but then forget that all of S6 was written solely by them, which contains the two highest rated episodes of the show.


Yes, and it was the first season they had done so, but also had significant building blocks for the season from the books to get them there. As they got further away from the source material, their product worsened. Hodor and Bran were already in the cave at the end of book 5. Cersei was already preparing for her trial. And Jon's resurrection and the Battle of the B*stards was already presumed.

Nevertheless, looking back, while entertaining, Jon Snow running out by himself in the middle of the battlefield and having absolutely no plan for the battle, or Sansa not telling Jon that she had contacted Little Finger, or deus ex Little Finger showing up at the exact moment he was needed most were incredibly stupid decisions and writing that GRRM would have likely never wrote, and were, in hindsight, a clear sign of things to come with regard to show quality. D&D essentially began focusing more on fan service and major twists and moments, which I presume they believed is what people mainly loved about the show, rather than the clever writing, loveable/hateable characters, and the subtle set ups to the major moments that the show was originally known for.

As for the actual reported series, I agree with others who are skeptical of this. Jon's story is completed. There is nothing else left to tell. The monsters have been slain, his lineage is now meaningless, he has forgone all of his titles. Why not choose Arya to follow, who at least has some story left to tell? Without a clear story to pursue based on where the series ended, I suspect it will be a show relying heavily on fan service and a contrived plot along the lines of "the Night King was actually answering to someone even more powerful".
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Jesus, let's not forget the Terminator scene (waif chasing Arya scene).
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I need a series called The Many Faces of Jaqen H'ghar as he murders his way around Westeros.

How did he end up in the black cells?
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Tyrion was drunk and snarky waaaay before S6. Hell that's why we love him.
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I think the point was that his character was basically Flanderized. While previously being intelligent/resourceful as well as drunk and snarky, by the 6th season he was only simply drunk and snarky and provided no meaningful contribution to the story. Can you even think of a single moment after season 5 where he utilized his intelligence or resourcefulness?

Outside of giving that terrible speech to convince everyone to somehow accept a random teenager who claimed to be "3-eyed raven" as their new king, what exactly was his contribution to the plot after season 5?
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I agree that it happened, I don't agree that it started that season. I think it started in season five once he left Westeros.
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You're right, it did start in season 5, which is precisely when his storyline stopped in the books, which just furthers the overall point that it didn't matter how many more seasons D&D gave the show, it was always going to eventually turn terrible. They were nothing without the source material. Not to short change them, however, they did a phenomenal job with said source material.
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Disagree. I think there was plenty to love beyond what GRRM had written, and it think they had the talent and intelligence to put out a great final season.

Plus the best episode of the series imo was all them. (Winds of Winter)
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Again, I have to disagree. I just don't understand how anyone watching the show can make the claim that their lack of source material was not the primary reason for the show's decline when 2 of the 3 seasons that lacked source material were BY FAR the worst seasons of the show. The only reason season 6 was also not a complete failure was the amount of crowd pleasing major moments in it (hold the door, battle of the *******s, Jon's resurrection, killing the Tyrells with wildfire, Tommen's death), all of which were guided there by the source material. It also important to highlight the worst aspects of season 5 and 6 were where there was either no guidance from the source material (how to wrap up Meereen and how to wrap up Arya's training) or where they completely deviated from the source material (Dorne).

I have to assume it has to do with you not reading the books and not understanding how heavily they relied on the books for most of the most well regarded aspects of the show along with where they deviated and most of those changes falling flat, and how obvious the quality dropped when they no longer had the books to use as a crutch.
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I think it's more because they tried to cram way too much story into too few episodes, like TC mentioned earlier, and were more preoccupied with ending the series.

I think almost everything in S8 could've potentially worked had they spent a full extra season setting everything up like in the early seasons.

Wrapping up the Night King and the White Walkers in a single episode is nuts.

And the fast travel got ridiculous.
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Except of course Dany "forgetting about" the Iron fleet. That was just stupid.
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Plenty of people will watch this, me included.

If it's good, it can reignite the franchise. Don't think House of the Dragon can do the same because it does nothing to alter the events of S8 of GoT - i.e. we know what becomes of the Targs
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I'll probably watch this. Definitely planning to watch House of the Dragon. There are plenty of good stories to be told, and if they bring in good writers who aren't trying to finish it quickly to get to their next project, then I think it can definitely be a good show.

Personally, I wish they'd go east instead of north. I would love to see past Qarth, to Ashai or Yi Ti, or further south to Sothoryos. So much that's hinted at in the writing, but never really explored.
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bluefire579 said:

I'll probably watch this. Definitely planning to watch House of the Dragon. There are plenty of good stories to be told, and if they bring in good writers who aren't trying to finish it quickly to get to their next project, then I think it can definitely be a good show.

Personally, I wish they'd go east instead of north. I would love to see past Qarth, to Ashai or Yi Ti, or further south to Sothoryos. So much that's hinted at in the writing, but never really explored.


I think HotD has a lot of promise, for sure. All the main players are kinda ****ty to each other, backstabbing everywhere, lots of cool edgy dudes like Daemon and One Eye, I'm sure if and when they get to Cregan Stark it'll be crowd pleasing for all the Stark fans. It's gonna have the political intrigue of the early seasons of GoT which will sucker people in.

But some will just pay it no attention because we know what happens to this family in the long run.
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canadiaggie said:

bluefire579 said:

I'll probably watch this. Definitely planning to watch House of the Dragon. There are plenty of good stories to be told, and if they bring in good writers who aren't trying to finish it quickly to get to their next project, then I think it can definitely be a good show.

Personally, I wish they'd go east instead of north. I would love to see past Qarth, to Ashai or Yi Ti, or further south to Sothoryos. So much that's hinted at in the writing, but never really explored.


I think HotD has a lot of promise, for sure. All the main players are kinda ****ty to each other, backstabbing everywhere, lots of cool edgy dudes like Daemon and One Eye, I'm sure if and when they get to Cregan Stark it'll be crowd pleasing for all the Stark fans. It's gonna have the political intrigue of the early seasons of GoT which will sucker people in.

But some will just pay it no attention because we know what happens to this family in the long run.

Some will definitely ignore it since we know what comes later, but I think it could surprise some people too. The short story for this show, as well as Dunk and Egg, were both entertaining because we didn't necessarily know the details of how things played out even if we knew that an event like the Dance of the Dragons occurred.
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So Kit involved as producer? Wow. Pretty cool.
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This actually makes me kind of nervous. It tells me that HBO didn't have an organic, in-house idea, and that Harrington, possibly out of desperation for his stalled career, went back to the one thing he could count on, knowing people would eat it up. That's obviously pure speculation on my part, but I'd much rather the actor have to be talked into a great idea than the struggling actor bring the idea to the studio.
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He has a marvel movie in the future, does he not?

Also, isn't this exactly what happened with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ewan?
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tk for tu juan said:

When will we get an Arya sequel as she finds out what is west of Westeros?
What we do not need is another Mary Sue like Rey who is basically invincible running around in the West
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McGregor has a flourishing career, a ton of endorsement deals, etc. That, and it was Disney who approached him.

Harrington, on the other hand, has almost no post-GoT career to speak of, and had what I took to be a small role in one of the worst-reviewed movies in the MCU (that I still haven't seen), with no promise of a follow-up appearance.

Again, I'm not saying that was Harrington's motivation. It just doesn't look like he has much going on, so he potentially went back to the well he knew he could draw from, and HBO was like, "Sure."
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Lucasfilm went to Ewan first, but yeah pretty much.
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They did actually set his character up for the future in the post credits of Eternals. (Will likely be in Blade.)
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From what I heard on Ringerverse, the series has pretty strong support from GRRM, for what that's worth.
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That would be great/encouraging. Really, anything besides a lone actor bringing an idea to the studio, an idea that just so happens to keep said actor employed for another few years.
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TCTTS said:

McGregor has a flourishing career, a ton of endorsement deals, etc. That, and it was Disney who approached him.

Harrington, on the other hand, has almost no post-GoT career to speak of, and had what I took to be a small role in one of the worst-reviewed movies in the MCU (that I still haven't seen), with no promise of a follow-up appearance.

Again, I'm not saying that was Harrington's motivation. It just doesn't look like he has much going on, so he potentially went back to the well he knew he could draw from, and HBO was like, "Sure."
To be fair, I'm not sure any of those actors who really made their names with GoT have gone on to big name heights.

Emilia Clarke - Solo (while still doing GoT) and some B/C list films
Kit Harrington - Eternals, something coming out on Apple
Sophie Turner - 2 really bad X-Men movies; New show coming to HBO
Maisie Williams - Terrible knock off Xmen film; some miniseries
John Bradley - Moonfall
Richard Madden - also Eternals; 1917; Rocketman
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wangus12 said:

TCTTS said:

McGregor has a flourishing career, a ton of endorsement deals, etc. That, and it was Disney who approached him.

Harrington, on the other hand, has almost no post-GoT career to speak of, and had what I took to be a small role in one of the worst-reviewed movies in the MCU (that I still haven't seen), with no promise of a follow-up appearance.

Again, I'm not saying that was Harrington's motivation. It just doesn't look like he has much going on, so he potentially went back to the well he knew he could draw from, and HBO was like, "Sure."
To be fair, I'm not sure any of those actors who really made their names with GoT have gone on to big name heights.

Emilia Clarke - Solo (while still doing GoT) and some B/C list films
Kit Harrington - Eternals, something coming out on Apple
Sophie Turner - 2 really bad X-Men movies; New show coming to HBO
Maisie Williams - Terrible knock off Xmen film; some miniseries
John Bradley - Moonfall
Richard Madden - also Eternals; 1917; Rocketman

He was in Bodyguard, a fantastic show
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And he has been one of the rumored names for the next Bond.
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TCTTS said:

That would be great/encouraging. Really, anything besides a lone actor bringing an idea to the studio, an idea that just so happens to keep said actor employed for another few years.
Just want to see quality writing attached to it, and ideally directing too
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Quote:

Richard Madden - also Eternals; 1917; Rocketman
plus Bodyguard and at least the rumors of being considered for the next Bond = easily the best post-Thrones career of the main cast

Jason Momoa is probably #1 (Aquaman, Dune, future Fast and Furious films), but i disqualify him for only being in the 1 season.
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I'd be more interested in a Tyrion sequel of him "Making the Eight". Starts with Bronn showing up at outside the small council, having "escaped" Highgarden after formality and court didn't suit him. He convinces Tyrion to drop everything and "plow" the countryside like old times. When things get boring, they go East and work their way through the exotics.
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wangus12 said:

TCTTS said:

McGregor has a flourishing career, a ton of endorsement deals, etc. That, and it was Disney who approached him.

Harrington, on the other hand, has almost no post-GoT career to speak of, and had what I took to be a small role in one of the worst-reviewed movies in the MCU (that I still haven't seen), with no promise of a follow-up appearance.

Again, I'm not saying that was Harrington's motivation. It just doesn't look like he has much going on, so he potentially went back to the well he knew he could draw from, and HBO was like, "Sure."
To be fair, I'm not sure any of those actors who really made their names with GoT have gone on to big name heights.

Emilia Clarke - Solo (while still doing GoT) and some B/C list films
Kit Harrington - Eternals, something coming out on Apple
Sophie Turner - 2 really bad X-Men movies; New show coming to HBO
Maisie Williams - Terrible knock off Xmen film; some miniseries
John Bradley - Moonfall
Richard Madden - also Eternals; 1917; Rocketman

I mean, the trajectory of most of the main cast seems consistent with other long-running HBO shows, especially those who came in without an established career.

Let's look at some of the big ones:

  • Sopranos - James Gandolfini had steady work until his death, but much was still supporting. The rest of the main cast hasn't done much since
  • Sex and the City - Have any of them done much beyond this one?
  • True Blood - Alexander Skarsgard gets regular roles, but he has a leg up because of nepotism. Even Anna Paquin seems to have faded away
  • The Wire - Probably the most here with Dominic West, Idris Elba, Lance Reddick, Michael B. Jordan but even fan favorite Michael K. Williams was only getting mostly bit parts. Elba and Jordan both took a while to get to where they are today, as well.
  • Entourage - lol

When you get these long running shows, it's impossible not to get typecast into these roles. It seems like becoming a major character in long running shows like these is more harmful than beneficial for a long-term career outside of said show.
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I just want George R.R.R.R.R.R.R. Martin to finish writing the damn books. Just mind boggling that he still hasn't done it.
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David Wallace said:

I just want George R.R.R.R.R.R.R. Martin to finish writing the damn books. Just mind boggling that he still hasn't done it.
Random tangent, i have seen an uptick in people writing "mind bottling" and it is infuriating.
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